FDA approves IQOS

[MacTechVpr]

The fact it was approved based on lower levels of toxic chemicals produced versus smoking may well establish a basis for the approval of most vaping products. Can't have two different standards, it would smell of arbitrary and capricious, and make for a good court case.

Hi Eskie. In a rational world mebe. I'd say there's already quite a stink from the FDA's 3-alarm fire. Yeah, I once believed tobacco and vaping could be natural allies too. Truly wanted to. A collaborative synergy should be by now an evident myth. Now with so many "vape" co's obsessing over pods or pod like systems and not even offering open systems at all, not so much. vaping is not tobacco…and ne'er the twain shall meet. Our masters follow the money, not our well being. The road leads to Germany and Belgium as examples.

Good luck.

 

[stols001]

I'm pretty sure the teens are going to try it. I'm pretty sure that is not going to make much headway until the socio-politico-media matrix is good and done with them for vaping.

A) They are super far down that yellow brick road and

B) The device is kind of confusing to the average person. It's not a vape, really, but it's not a cigarette either.

I am prepare to be wrong on this.... But I can't imagine the lobbyists haven't asked the question "what about teens" until they got a satisfying answer. If I were P&M that is what I would do.

Then, if I were a P&M lobbyist, I would have to go cut myself, but I would definitely be asking that question first.

Anna

 

[TonyD64]

It's Tobacco wrapped in paper heated up and the prices I saw on Amazon weren't realistic. $130.00 for the unit. Really? They better start selling it for $10.00-$15.00

 

[b.m.]

It's Tobacco wrapped in paper heated up and the prices I saw on Amazon weren't realistic. $130.00 for the unit. Really? They better start selling it for $10.00-$15.00

I agree.Every site i found it on is right around $130.I have tried several times to get my wife into vaping instead of smoking,and she just won't take to it,so i thought of getting her one of these to try,but not at $130 for something else she may not like.I feel a lot of people who smoke won't shell out that kind of money just to see if they like something.I'm sure some will,but a lot of people just won't be able to afford to take that chance.

 

[Pikeybarsteward]

I paid 49 Pounds (I think) for an Iqos unit and 60 HEETs .Over here HEETs are about as expensive as smokes so I paid very little for the machine. The promotions will come , I suspect they'll be keen to shift hardware for nowt to attract HEET sales .

The unit seems pretty well made , more Joyetech+ , akin to the old mobile phones in build quality .I do suspect IQOS has a relatively short lifespan , needs a bigger portion in my opinion .

 

[SonnyCooL]

IDK if this is good or bad too soon to tell but I have to say despite my "mad love" for Phillip Morris I have heard a few tales of "This is what got me off cigarettes."

So I don't begrudge it. I think the device looks and sounds like a PITA in every way, but to each their own.

LOL on FDA jokes. That is so true. I remember back when the HIV drug makes were having fits because they were like "Look FDA, everyone's going to be dead until these are approved." They wound up getting fast-tracked.

I don't see that happening for ANY ecig product however. And the cost, well P and M can afford it but I bet it was LOT.

Anna

yah i use IQOS before but i will never go back.
1. Device Build quality is poor, my died after 2-3 week.
2. PITA to clean, each time.
3. Keep charging, charging and charging.
4. Smell worst than cigarettes.
5. Expensive for device and cigarettes.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I do suspect IQOS has a relatively short lifespan, needs a bigger portion in my opinion.

I don't know how long the battery in it lasts, and I don't even know if it's a button or 'draw' that initially turns it on. I am pretty sure that the HEET sticks last for 5 or 6 minutes and the device stays on for those minutes, whether one tokes or not. I have absolutely no intent to do some DuckDuckGo fu'ing to find out, and most probably will not recommend it to any smoker who expresses an interest in vaping vs. smoking.

 

[Rossum]

Every site i found it on is right around $130.

I would suppose those are "gray market" prices, with unauthorized reseller markup.

 

[Rossum]

1. Device Build quality is poor, my died after 2-3 week.

I would assume they offer a warranty. Since I "smuggled" mine into the country and haven't had any trouble with it, I haven't checked.

2. PITA to clean, each time.

What do you mean, "each time"? If you have to clean it each time, either you're doing something wrong, or there's something seriously wrong with the device.

3. Keep charging, charging and charging.

Yes, it takes a while to fully charge the main unit.

4. Smell worst than cigarettes.

I totally disagree with this and so do my wife and (adult) children, none of whom smoke or vape.

5. Expensive for device and cigarettes.

The device costs no more than a quality mod (i.e. any mod not made in China). The Heets are priced comparably to cigarettes in Europe. We vapers are spoiled by the low cost of e-liquid. Smokers who've failed with vaping (who strike me as the target market for IQOS) are not yet spoiled with low cost consumables like we are.

 

[Eskie]

I would suppose those are "gray market" prices, with unauthorized reseller markup.

Nah, it's just a really overpriced system. Don't forget, they spent $200 million on just the US approval, never mind other countries. They want to recoup that investment, sooner rather than later, in case vaping or some other product cannibalizes enough market share to keep them from meeting revenue projections down the road.

 

[Rossum]

I don't know how long the battery in it lasts

Ostensibly 6 minutes or 14 puffs, whichever comes first. That's the battery in the device you actually use. The holder then recharges that device in a few minutes, and the holder is good for quite a few re-charges of the device. But I don't use mine enough to be able to tell you exactly how many. The holder re-charges via micro-USB, and requires a fairly hefty charger to do so; a 2.1A charger will work, a wimpy one won't.

and I don't even know if it's a button or 'draw' that initially turns it on.

You start it up by pressing a button. Then you wait a short while until the device gives buzzes (like a phone on vibrate) indicating it's ready to go. It buzzes again when it's about to quit.

I am pretty sure that the HEET sticks last for 5 or 6 minutes and the device stays on for those minutes, whether one tokes or not.

Correct, it does. It's kinda like lighting a cigarette, once you do, you finish it.

I [...] most probably will not recommend it to any smoker who expresses an interest in vaping vs. smoking.

I agree, I would recommend vaping first, but vaping doesn't work for everyone, most likely due to the missing minor alkaloids and MAOIs, which IQOS does deliver.

 

[Rossum]

Nah, it's just a really overpriced system.

Overpriced compared to what? Remember when the cheapest DNA20 mod (Vaporshark) cost nearly $200?

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I agree, I would recommend vaping first, but vaping doesn't work for everyone, most likely due to the missing minor alkaloids and MAOIs, which IQOS does deliver.

I might have to re-think my 'would not recommend' train of thought. I certainly would have that product at the end of my 'pro-vape talk' though..

 

[SonnyCooL]

I would assume they offer a warranty. Since I "smuggled" mine into the country and haven't had any trouble with it, I haven't checked.


What do you mean, "each time"? If you have to clean it each time, either you're doing something wrong, or there's something seriously wrong with the device.


Yes, it takes a while to fully charge the main unit.


I totally disagree with this and so do my wife and (adult) children, none of whom smoke or vape.


The device costs no more than a quality mod (i.e. any mod not made in China). The Heets are priced comparably to cigarettes in Europe. We vapers are spoiled by the low cost of e-liquid. Smokers who've failed with vaping (who strike me as the target market for IQOS) are not yet spoiled with low cost consumables like we are.

u not cleaning your heating device internally ? brush is there for reason ..... good luck for ur iqos.

 

[Rossum]

u not cleaning your heating device internally ? brush is there for reason ..... good luck for ur iqos.

I didn't say I was never cleaning it. You said you had to clean it "each time". I asked what you mean by that.

As for luck, it seems I'm having better luck with mine than you are with yours.

 

[SonnyCooL]

I didn't say I was never cleaning it. You said you had to clean it "each time". I asked what you mean by that.

As for luck, it seems I'm having better luck with mine than you are with yours.

might be my is first version, which that heat plate won't last .....

 

[stols001]

I do think charging is kind of an issue, you can't chain-IQOS or whatever not unless you have several devices. As to cost, meh. I don't think it's out of the range of normal but it's not exactly cheep either.

Neither is my vape habit though. I'd imagine some of the kinks get ironed out eventually.

Anna

 

[My Batt Hurts]

Question for anyone who's tried iQOS and has also vaped NET (?) e-liquids.

If you enjoy(ed) smoking cigaerettes, which is the more convincing replacement?

Thanks.