Woo hoo!!!! We have hope.
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Cis is the rather insulting word used by the strange gendered to refer to the normal gendered.
I find it insulting, I am happy to call you what YOU want, but you don't need to call me the gender equivalent of honky. Call me female. That is what I am.
They get SO BRATTY. It's the hormones. I'm trying to be charitable here.
Anna
I find it insulting, I am happy to call you what YOU want, but you don't need to call me the gender equivalent of honky. Call me female. That is what I am.
They get SO BRATTY. It's the hormones. I'm trying to be charitable here.
Anna
I suppose the PMTA deadline might get pushed back to 2021/2022, where it was prior to the AAP et al decision?
Reality: We've been on borrowed time since 8/8/2018 (the original deadline).
Hope is great, but right now we're down 14 points and there's two minutes left in the game.
I posted some thoughts regarding this lawsuit a few days ago here:
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
I posted some thoughts regarding this lawsuit a few days ago here:
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
All this is true. Those who put the lip stick on the pig and run those commercials feel real real good about themselves, that's what matters. They "did something".
I probably should have written in green for sarcasm.
True... But where the Problem lies is that without a Clear Federal Policy/Enforcement, state policy makers will take it upon themselves to do what they Want. Or what they feel will get them the Most Votes from an Uninformed populous.
This unenthusiastic enforcement has been my fervent hope all along. On the other hand, the FDA has some important responsibilities and it does many of them rather poorly. Most of this poor implementation is due to the financial intertwining of the regulated and the regulator as well as the revolving door of employment by the agency and the industry.
With vaping, there will be nearly no financial intertwining nor will there be appreciable employment revolving door between the agency and the regulated industry (with the exception of tobacco companies involved in vaping). This leads me to think that rousting a bunch vapers with a photographic walk in cuffs to save children will garner the FDA some good publicity. It won't take much to intimidate most businesses, they are in it for profit. Fines, shut downs or prosecution will have, as the phrase goes, a "chilling" effect.
I live in a generally rural state. We will get oppressive anti-vaping laws which in Lexington, Louisville, Bowling Green, various college towns and the amalgamation of small cities known collectively as Northern Kentucky will be intermittently but vigorously enforced. Where I live, ID will be checked at gas stations or bans enforced intermittently and as vigorously as the financial incentive to enforce will encourage.
Although I agree with the above, I think y'all have strayed way off-topic here. 
Although I agree with the above, I think y'all have strayed way off-topic here.
Hence my "..."; I deleted my otherwise derailing responsive post as a topic not worth pursuing here. The FDA lawsuit is far more interesting.
Haha, I was thinking that but decided I might get beat up mentioning Tom Brady anywhere but in a New England Patriots forum.
Yeah... that is about the Long and the Short of it.
If I felt that there was some Pro Advocacy Momentum building, or if the Media would get tired of throwing e-Cigarettes Under the Bus, or if we could just Hold Off until some New Legislation or Political Leadership could come to bare, I would be More Positive.
But to be Honest with you, all those Curves are pointing Down. And seem to be Decreasing at an Increasing Rate.
And an Argument could be that Maybe it would be Better to have the PMTA Drop Dead Date occur in this Cycle? Verses in the Next?
I Dunno.
The FDA knows, just like We know, just like Anyone who Follows this knows, that the FDA can do VERY Little to have a Meaningful effect on Teen Vaping.
And the Little they Can Do with Adversely effect Adult users seeking Harm Reduction.
Sure, you can put Lipstick on the Pig and run a bunch of Sappy TV Commercials. Or dump Truckloads of Money into the School Systems (that would be Better Spent in Other areas) on "Preventative Programs".
But the Inconvenient Truth is All these efforts are just that, efforts. And just aren't going to have a Significant Impact on Habitual Use. Only Time is going get the Percentages down to a Normal Baseline.
That and when the Number Cruncher's decide it is Time to portray more Realistic Teen Use results.
Don't get me Wrong. I'm about the Last Person that wants to see Teens/Minors using an e-Cigarette. But I'm also a Realist.
There are only 2 genders. Everyone is normal gendered. Male or female. XY or XX. There is no other option. You don't get to choose your gender.
Aw I wasn't quick enough to post before the thread wentI'll have to be much faster next time.
This weekend this and many other threads will be derailed in many ways, some hilariously.
I went back and forth for the same reason then decided to heck with it, his record for come backs is impressive.
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