FDA being sued
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Not to surprising 
Not sure if you guys realize that any money lost in a suit comes out of the federal budget, which translates to tax dollars. Not saying I like the FDA, they are crooked as a question mark, and I think they need some restructuring, but I don't relish the possibility of them losing suits because higher taxes is one thing we don't need.
Gotta' agree with andyman on the tax dollars coming out of our income.
The article: is that saying these employees are suing for the computer "spying"? I thought all corporations, large and small, monitor all computer activity, it is not private, so don't send private stuff from a work computer. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the article.
Why are they not suing for the items pushed through that are not good, or even harmful? We have a Country full of that, be it equipment, medications, certain food items, you name it. There would be a mega law suit!
All of our Government agencies need a complete restructuring. JMO
The article: is that saying these employees are suing for the computer "spying"? I thought all corporations, large and small, monitor all computer activity, it is not private, so don't send private stuff from a work computer. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the article.
Why are they not suing for the items pushed through that are not good, or even harmful? We have a Country full of that, be it equipment, medications, certain food items, you name it. There would be a mega law suit!
All of our Government agencies need a complete restructuring. JMO
Have you actually read the article?
Your position would then be that no matter how snide,wrong and deviated a group of gov. officials are,nobody should pursue such matter on base of ''costing us money''...
How much money does your gov shove into playing war around the world again??
More important than civil rights I guess!
Yeah,I'm Canadian...sue me!
Wow, slow down, what's with the attack? This is why I tend to try and avoid political discussions, for some reason people can't be tolerant of any views other than their own.
My position is that I'm not in favor of higher taxes. There are tons of places the US government can cut spending. I hate the FDA, they're as corrupt as an agency can get. I'm not condoning what they do and I absolutely support the right to sue in court. What I don't support is higher taxes because our government can't properly structure and monitor their agencies to do the right thing.
Well, I think it depends on how they did it. If they routinely monitor all govt. computers, that's one thing. If they specifically targeted "whistle blowers" that complained about inappropriate pressure to approve devices/products and altering studies.... that's mega bad.
Time to have all top officials pass yearly polygraph tests (like the FBI have to do...I think) and swear they are not taking bribes or kickbacks. Not 100% accurate, but would be interesting. Of course, we'd have to fire half of all government officials. And then there's campaign finance reform..... lol.
It's really sad tho. In reality, there's probably only a small % that give the rest a bad name. Many/most government employees are hard working and under-appreciated. Especially in these days of "Hate all government except military" extremism. What we have to remember is that the FDA, despite it's faults, has done a lot more good than bad. It's just that you haven't seen what would have happened without them. That's not to say we can't strive to improve them.
So... I'm not fond of FDA e-cig policy, for example. I think they handled it stupidly. But neither am I a fan of the lack of quality standards, testing and quality control in the e-cig industry. We have standards for water, milk, food, etc. Why not for e-juice? Stupid policy power grabs. That's why. Also possible lobbying by "external forces"... who knows.
Time to have all top officials pass yearly polygraph tests (like the FBI have to do...I think) and swear they are not taking bribes or kickbacks. Not 100% accurate, but would be interesting. Of course, we'd have to fire half of all government officials. And then there's campaign finance reform..... lol.
It's really sad tho. In reality, there's probably only a small % that give the rest a bad name. Many/most government employees are hard working and under-appreciated. Especially in these days of "Hate all government except military" extremism. What we have to remember is that the FDA, despite it's faults, has done a lot more good than bad. It's just that you haven't seen what would have happened without them. That's not to say we can't strive to improve them.
So... I'm not fond of FDA e-cig policy, for example. I think they handled it stupidly. But neither am I a fan of the lack of quality standards, testing and quality control in the e-cig industry. We have standards for water, milk, food, etc. Why not for e-juice? Stupid policy power grabs. That's why. Also possible lobbying by "external forces"... who knows.
Ah, I see AttyPops. Yes, if it is just the whistleblowers that is a bit different.
Lie detector tests? Well, first of all they are inadmissible in Court. It is up to the interpretor what they really read, some people can pass them and still be lying, some people can fail them and still be telling the truth. Of course, any employees that may have an issue can suddenly be on medication that is claimed to invalidate. (Sorry, I work for defense attorneys so I get to know all this carp.)
I agree the few that are bad give all a bad name. Most are just hard working, genuine people that need a job with benefits. Sadly, that is my hope whenever this job is done, a State job with benefits, but my age kind of requires that now.
I have no idea how the reform could begin, a complete overhaul of policies, a complete check into everyone's work product? I don't have an answer, as all would create issues. I must agree that more good has been done than harm, in the big picture. Sometimes it looks as if that is sliding down the slippery slope of $$$ first though.
Lie detector tests? Well, first of all they are inadmissible in Court. It is up to the interpretor what they really read, some people can pass them and still be lying, some people can fail them and still be telling the truth. Of course, any employees that may have an issue can suddenly be on medication that is claimed to invalidate. (Sorry, I work for defense attorneys so I get to know all this carp.)
I agree the few that are bad give all a bad name. Most are just hard working, genuine people that need a job with benefits. Sadly, that is my hope whenever this job is done, a State job with benefits, but my age kind of requires that now.
I have no idea how the reform could begin, a complete overhaul of policies, a complete check into everyone's work product? I don't have an answer, as all would create issues. I must agree that more good has been done than harm, in the big picture. Sometimes it looks as if that is sliding down the slippery slope of $$$ first though.
There's a lot of Anti-government sentiment in the country right now. Most is being fueled by ultra-conservatives who keep on saying that government is to blame for everything, and cannot be fixed, must be destroyed (except for Defense) and everything should be 50 separate fiefdoms.
OTOH, there's the ultra-left that keeps trying to grow government before they fix it. And when sane moderates on both sides try to fix it, they get stone-walled.
So... a lot of it revolves around the usual tax rhetoric from the politicians. In reality, most Americans wouldn't mind paying a reasonable % of their income in taxes, provided that A) they felt that they got value from the results, and B) they all had sufficient income and good jobs to begin with.
Both A and B are issues right now. So we all want to be fiscally responsible. The question is how?
The results of the lawsuite could be much more than just tax dollars. Heads will roll, maybe policies cleaned up. It's true that we are more-or-less suing ourselves. However, that also means that the attorneys are compensated (aren't they always?) enough to do a good job, and the repercussions are larger than a (hopefully) reasonable dollar amount.
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Very well said. If these suits resulted in fixing a broken agency, I'd be all for a fix.
Governments will raise taxes at pretty much every opportunity. Bar all lawsuits against all govt. agencies and they will still raise taxes.
Wow, maybe there will finally be a shake-down at the FDA. I hope it leads to exposure and positive change.
If you read the article you would have seen this: "The plaintiffs had permission to use their government-issued computers for personal purposes, the lawsuit said. Four of the original "FDA nine" chose to pursue the lawsuit."
I did read it and I know that some people choose to use their work computers for personal use. I was stating it is common knowledge that most employers, Government or not, monitor all computer activity, therefore it is not wise to use your work computer for things you don't want your employers knowing about.
Heh,no hard feelings...you know us Canadians can get ruffled or hold grudges against anyone or anything for that matter,its not in our genes.
Just that I read every word and its how you came across my dear friend!
No one can spy us!
TO THE FORUMS!!!!
oH WAIT,WE ARE IN A FORUM...
Just that I read every word and its how you came across my dear friend!
No one can spy us!
TO THE FORUMS!!!!
oH WAIT,WE ARE IN A FORUM...
Actually, no damages can be awarded when a Government agency is sued. Usually, the suit asks for a court injunction against some action the agency is taking. The agencies refer the case to the Justice Department whose lawyers get paid their government salaries whether they work or not. I doubt whether any extra expenditures are involved.
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