It is weird that this statement came out the time the government added a 1.15 tax on packs of analogs
Fda crackdown looms
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The only question is the "excluding tobacco" phrase in the following list. Because it is a tobacco extract and not tobacco itself... I think... means supplement?
Furthermore, it must also conform to the following criteria:
intended for ingestion in pill, capsule, tablet, powder or liquid form not represented for use as a conventional food or as the sole item of a meal or diet labeled as a "dietary supplement"
This is the part that worries me - INGESTION - We don't ingest, we don't take the liquid form into our stomach - we inhale.
We've got a new technology - one that doesn't fall into any of the "normal" catagories - except tobacco use. And tobacco use is -ONLY- allowed in this country because the lobbists dump tons of $$ in Washington to keep it legal.
I think the FDA just wants to - like most of Washington - control everything everyone does in the country 'till we're all whipped dogs.
Here's another great quote from the article: "Jose Canseco, the steroid-tainted baseball slugger turned e-cigarette pitchman"
Macpanda,
You bring tears to my eyes just remembering my old flac jacket and gas mask while watching a line of National Guardsmen march towards us in a sea of bayonets during the Kent State and OSU demonstrations!
Note: Funny though that I ended up serving 5 years in the Air Force less than a year later. My draft lottery was coming up and I wasn't ready for the"underground" in Canada!
Thanks for the post, Sun. Reality is setting in. Anyone who has read extensively on this forum for any length of time knew this was coming.
This is at least the third alarm, however. Before long, it won't be possible to hit the "snooze" button and continue blissful ignorance. Act on your own behalf now.
There's a lot of ignorance in this thread, and a lot of venting. Nowhere is there a sound, logical sequence of arguments to continue the marketing of an unregulated drug of untested purity and content from China. Step back from your e-cig, look dispassionately about our practice and devices -- and you'll see that this isn't some conspiracy to take away freedom, reward lobbyists, assure revenue, etc. It's an agency doing it job. Enforcing protective measures is what the FDA must do.
It knows nothing, and we know nothing, about the real safety of what we're doing. Until that is known, continuing down the unknown path is untenable. I expect harsher measures loom.
This is at least the third alarm, however. Before long, it won't be possible to hit the "snooze" button and continue blissful ignorance. Act on your own behalf now.
There's a lot of ignorance in this thread, and a lot of venting. Nowhere is there a sound, logical sequence of arguments to continue the marketing of an unregulated drug of untested purity and content from China. Step back from your e-cig, look dispassionately about our practice and devices -- and you'll see that this isn't some conspiracy to take away freedom, reward lobbyists, assure revenue, etc. It's an agency doing it job. Enforcing protective measures is what the FDA must do.
It knows nothing, and we know nothing, about the real safety of what we're doing. Until that is known, continuing down the unknown path is untenable. I expect harsher measures loom.
Regardless of an FDA ban or not, I will continue to vape. We all have examples from the past when the government tried to ban stuff. Bans do not work. The only problem we have to overcome is how to make atomizers of our own. I will find a way, and when I do, then the FDA & Big Tobacco will not have that power over me anymore. If they ban it, it will just go underground, and that is where I will be.
I wonder if the FDA quote is legitimate or a misquote. It is not illegal nor is it a drug. As I have said on this topic before - the FDA will bow to political will. Contact your conress people and senators and tell them that that this is a bad idea. US citizens - you have the right to petition, take advatange of it.
I do not expect a Government agency to start banning things until they are proven to be harmful to the public. To proceed on a basis of "ban everything until proven to be benign" is the worst kind of nannying.
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You may call people "Ignorant" about this situation, Bob, but I feel that our ignorance is better than your "Subservient" attitude. Please stop insulting us.
I think the problem is that they're claiming it IS. For everyone's sake, I think the eCig and Juice manufacturers need to chill out on any claims that it offers any kind of assistance in helping you to stop smoking or any health claims what-so-ever that would cause the FDA to want them to back up the claims.
Otherwise, we need to organize. Starting with petitioning your congressmen/women and writing directly to the FDA. Careful with what you claim so that any petition doesn't do more harm than good increasing the FDA's interest in the claims of what it does or doesn't do. You simply like to smoke glycerin and your right to smoke glycerin should not be denied. "Niccotine? Huh? I haven't heard it's a smoking replacement and in fact, I'm unfamiliar with that term."
Thought crossed my mind to Nuck, but if the US banns e-cigs, how long before Canada follows in the American footsteps and does the same?
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Probably not long.
I will have to start ordering a lot of "clothes" from the UK!!
Many of you really do have your heads in the sand. I am laughing to think some even think the FDA would never ban something that has yet to be proven unhealthy. The government has a long history of doing things in the peoples best interest right?
Big tobacco wants E-Cigarettes to go away and go away quick. Before vaporizing nicotine extact in a very convienent form becomes well known. Believe me it is not now. I called a dozen smoke and tobacco shops and only 2 had even heard of it. And this is the business they are in.
E-Juice and E-Cigs are not gone they are just going to take a little vacation. In the meantime black market prices will get us adjusted to the new pricing regulation and taxes will bring.
Maybe if we are lucky the delivery systems will be spared at least to to start with and can stay safe with more nicotine free juices being marketed. But common sense says inhaling radiator fluid vapor can't really be all that good for you can it? This also needs to be addressed. Same with vegetable glycerin. Just cause it came from a plant does not make it ok.
I see laws and underground vaping in the near future until more is known and less people care about it's destruction.
Lorddrek
Big tobacco wants E-Cigarettes to go away and go away quick. Before vaporizing nicotine extact in a very convienent form becomes well known. Believe me it is not now. I called a dozen smoke and tobacco shops and only 2 had even heard of it. And this is the business they are in.
E-Juice and E-Cigs are not gone they are just going to take a little vacation. In the meantime black market prices will get us adjusted to the new pricing regulation and taxes will bring.
Maybe if we are lucky the delivery systems will be spared at least to to start with and can stay safe with more nicotine free juices being marketed. But common sense says inhaling radiator fluid vapor can't really be all that good for you can it? This also needs to be addressed. Same with vegetable glycerin. Just cause it came from a plant does not make it ok.
I see laws and underground vaping in the near future until more is known and less people care about it's destruction.
Lorddrek
You know what I dont see in your post? Suggestions on how to do it, just pointing out that it isnt being done. It's all well and good to tell everyone they are wrong, but how about you do something productive rather than just complaining.
Just a thought.
The biggest threat to vaping is misinformation. To many suppliers / resellers making false claims, to much misleading information. Case in point: inhaling "radiator fluid." Ethylene Glycol is radiator fluid and is a far cry from Propylene glycol, which has been used for many years as a food additive and to suspend medications.
I'm not trying to start trouble or create problems, but this sort of misinformation is not helpful at all.
You know what I dont see in your post? Suggestions on how to do it, just pointing out that it isnt being done. It's all well and good to tell everyone they are wrong, but how about you do something productive rather than just complaining.
Just a thought.
I agree completely! Pessimism & Apathy isn't doing us any good. We need wisdom to help us find a way around this situation. We don't need wisdom telling us that we are screwed and that there is no hope. Where there is a will, there is always a way!
This is just sad. As I go through here and look at everyone's tickers and see how long they have been smoke free I can't imagine a ban. Look how far many of us have come after trying to quit smoking for so long! No, we don't know exactly what is in the liquid, but we (they) damn sure should find out! This has been the only hope for many smokers that would other wise still be smoking a pack or more a day and feeling like ..... All while risking their lives more and more with every puff. I hate to see us all fall back on analogs after coming this far. I guess the best case for me would be to quit it all and try like hell not to go back. I don't want to give these greedy tobacco companies any more of my money.
Right! This what "they" all want to hear. And then *poof* it will be gone. The claims have to be honest. We cannot claim this healthy no more than we can say that there is radiator fluid involved
We also have to consider this board being looked at. It is wide open to the public and very easy to find.
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