Fda crackdown looms

[The Wiz]

Guys and Girls....As one of our nations great leaders once said "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself".There is alot of fear going around here,just based on one staement! The name calling and bickering will not solve anything.Let's just take things in stride,one day at a time. I was smoke free(after 30 years of smoking)for 1 month before discovering e-ciggs,and would now miss it if it was taken from me.But my life would go on,just as it did before.I sure the same could be said for all of us here! I usually stay away from these threads,prefer the happier ones,but thought I would add my 2 cents! The Wiz!

 

[stpeters]

This is absolutely terrible news

I hope they either don't take it too far, or conclude that these are harmless (other than the nicotine) and let the pressure off for a while. Why hasn't the FDA banned analog cigs with their 4,000+ chemicals plus nicotine plus carbon monoxide? Not saying they SHOULD ban analogs (unless they want half the country rioting), just wondering how can they allow analogs but not allow what *SEEMS* to be a much safer and healthier alternative?!

The FDA has tried, repeatedly. Congress and the Supreme Court won't let them. Something to do with "truckloads of tax revenue" (my own quote).

The FDA knows that nobody will slap their wrists if they come down hard on electronic cigarettes. BUT - we shall see how successful they are when they try to stop mere batteries & chargers and atomizers.

I have some miniature tobacco plants started already. Going to replace all my houseplants. Wow they grow *fast*. As long as Congress has my back, these hardy sources of nicotine will be free as a bird.

Now we just have to find the best path for the nicotine from the leaf into the bottle. I think using fresh tobacco may work better then using chemically processed store tobacco, since a few have had good experiences using fine Cigars...

 

[Programmer]

I thought I would have months and months to think about what I might say to my congresspeople, but _maybe_ now I do not.

_Maybe_ I might need to send one earlier.

I do know that if I was a congressperson and saw letters come in with some of the phrases I have seen here on this board, they would go right in the round file. Any letter containing the words "juice", "vape", etc would be instantly roundfiled if not escalated to security. (Especially if a sample was provided..heheh)

Has anyone stopped to think that their letters might have gone more harm than good?

 

[QueenInNC]

I thought I would have months and months to think about what I might say to my congresspeople, but _maybe_ now I do not.

_Maybe_ I might need to send one earlier.

I do know that if I was a congressperson and saw letters come in with some of the phrases I have seen here on this board, they would go right in the round file. Any letter containing the words "juice", "vape", etc would be instantly roundfiled if not escalated to security. (Especially if a sample was provided..heheh)

Has anyone stopped to think that their letters might have gone more harm than good?

This is kind of what I said earlier. Do we jump on this or lay low? Seriously, I have no idea what is best.

 

[Bruceslog]

If the FDA forces me to go back to analogs, I am suing them.

 

[TribbleTrouble]

Each vaper needs to start thinking of ways to "Supply Ourselves". We need to start thinking about refurbishing or making our own gear, as well as learning how to make our own liquid. Hording will work for some for a little while, but eventually that will be gone too. God only knows how long this will last. We need to start preparing now.

 

[e-pipeman]

I do know that if I was a congressperson and saw letters come in with some of the phrases I have seen here on this board, they would go right in the round file. Any letter containing the words "juice", "vape", etc would be instantly roundfiled if not escalated to security. (Especially if a sample was provided..heheh)

Has anyone stopped to think that their letters might have gone more harm than good?

All special interest groups have their own jargon. Any congressperson would know that. If said congressperson were to "roundfile" any jargon he disliked he would rightly be regarded as an idiot by his colleagues. There is no secret argot here - e-cig enthusiasts are open about their wholly legal interests.

 

[stpeters]

This is kind of what I said earlier. Do we jump on this or lay low? Seriously, I have no idea what is best.

Well, I would say that the FDA has made up their mind already and we are definitely on their radar now. So 'laying low' isn't an option anymore methinks.

I say we write letters. What could it possibly hurt now? DO NOT use slang when writing letters or talking to the press. I cannot repeat that last sentence enough...

 

[stpeters]

All special interest groups have their own jargon. Any congressperson would know that. If said congressperson were to "roundfile" any jargon he disliked he would rightly be regarded as an idiot by his colleagues. There is no secret argot here - e-cig enthusiasts are open about their wholly legal interests.

I completely disagree. When inner-city minority youth advocates write the power that be, do they say "Youz gonna fizzup deez B-bal courts or what holmes?"

This is a good summary - http://www.ehow.com/how_4561907_of-united-states-of-america.html

Use proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling. You want your message to be understood, and taken seriously. Never, ever threaten or harass in your letter. It is ok to express your opinion such as saying that you are upset or angry about a situation. It is NEVER acceptable to use threatening or harassing language. Do not use profanity.

 

[surbitonPete]

For all of us 'addicts'...... e-cigarettes are our one chance of not ending up dying from all the nasty fatal diseases that smoking tobacco causes ....I say that 'anyone' who wants to take that away from us is Evil.

 

[stpeters]

If the FDA forces me to go back to analogs, I am suing them.

Class action? The precedent being the recent successful suits against the tobacco companies?

Not gonna work but a nice statement. I would sign my name on that.

OK, I'm done ranting now. Someone else talk for awhile

P.S. Anyone know of a US supplier that sells smoking liquid by the liter?

 

[e-pipeman]

When inner-city minority youth advocates write the power that be, do they say "Youz gonna fizzup deez B-bal courts or what holmes?"

Nobody says that, formally or informally.

If you are writing a formal letter to, for example, a congressman then any jargon terms used should be explained. They should not be used if they are going to obscure your point. That does not mean they cannot be used.

 

[bri1270]

This is kind of what I said earlier. Do we jump on this or lay low? Seriously, I have no idea what is best.

Persoanally, I think we need to get the Geraldo Rivera's of the media involved to point out the irony and hypocrisy of our Federal Government. Clearly, the FDA's motivation for banning e-cigs is suspect given that regulation of taobacco cigarettes has been absent for as long as they've been in existence, even with the knowledge that they're putting over 4000 nasty chemicals in them. Only now that Philip Morris is behind regulation does the government have a fighting chance of regulating tobacco products, and they very well still may lose that battle. Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with the public's best interest or the public's health. This is purely about money and greed, whether it be the Feds that are ...... because they're missing out on the potential tax revenue, or big tobacco missing out on their actual revenue. Big Brother is only getting bigger. In MA, they're actually considering putting a chip in our registration tags for our license plates so they can tax our mileage. Funny thing about that is that they'll need to track where we are going to get that information...I don't like what's happening here one bit...

Ultimately, what we may end up having to do is getting a group of us together, get a decent lawyer who may be interested in taking this on pro se, and taking it all the way tot he Supreme Court if necessary. This may seem a little over board to some of you, but when do we, as Americans, say enough is enough? This is our country, not theirs...this is supposed to be a government for the people, not a government for the Lobbyist. Ultimately the constitution is on our side! You know what though, I don't even think it would get that far. I think one District Judge could shoot down the FDA and that would be enough to make them back off.

Of course we could also lay low and hope for the best...like Thomas Jefferson did in the mid 1700's.

 

[Jest]

Why can't people understand that electronic cigarettes are essentially a placebo and leave it at that? The FDA can't ban the actual device, as it isn't a food or a drug.. it's just a pocket vaporizer. I bought an e-cig to use completely without nicotine and it would be asinine for them to think that they can control something that has nothing to do with anything illegal. If it comes to it, I'm sure someone will figure out a safe way to extract nicotine and people will be able to make their own nic juice. The FDA can shove it if they try to ban no-nic e-cigs.

 

[QueenInNC]

I will be melting down some patches

 

[e-pipeman]

I have some tobacco seed. If I could find a safe way of extracting nicotine from any plants that I may grow, I would be a happy man.

 

[bri1270]

Class action? The precedent being the recent successful suits against the tobacco companies?

Not gonna work but a nice statement. I would sign my name on that.

Why wouldn't it work? He's not talking about suing Big Tobacco, he's talking about suing the FDA. Per my previous post, I'm on board 100%, and not just because of e-cigs...this goes much deeper than that, our government has taken more than it's share of my liberties, and I'm not going to sit back and let them do it any longer.

 

[bri1270]

I should be careful with my hyperbole, I'm sure there's a black SUV outside waiting for me by now.

 

[surbitonPete]

I wonder how much tobacco I would have to grow to make a gallon of 36mg....I don't have a very big garden......hmmm.

 

[stpeters]

Why wouldn't it work? He's not talking about suing Big Tobacco, he's talking about suing the FDA. Per my previous post, I'm on board 100%, and not just because of e-cigs...this goes much deeper than that, our government has taken more than it's share of my liberties, and I'm not going to sit back and let them do it any longer.

Well, I think that the lawsuit itself would work, but the secondary effect of bringing this issue to a national stage and getting people to openly & seriously talk and debate it - that part would work and might be worth the effort.