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Food and Drug Administration
Center for tobacco Products
tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee
April 16-18, 2014
Proposed Meeting Roster


TPSAC Members (voting, Special Government Employees)

Jonathan M. Samet, MD, MS (Chair)
Department of Preventive Medicine
Keck School of Medicine
Director, Institute for Global Health
University of Southern California


http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Adviso...uctsScientificAdvisoryCommittee/UCM393003.pdf


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Food and Drug Administration
Center for Tobacco Products
Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee
April 16-18, 2014
Proposed Meeting Roster


TPSAC Members (voting, Special Government Employees)

Jonathan M. Samet, MD, MS (Chair)
Department of Preventive Medicine
Keck School of Medicine
Director, Institute for Global Health
University of Southern California


http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Adviso...uctsScientificAdvisoryCommittee/UCM393003.pdf


Shall we dig for more dirt on the rest? :D

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So Dr. Samet is the congressional mandated advisor for the FDA correct? And he made that statement about vapor settling on a couch and harming people? That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
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So Dr. Samet is the congressional mandated advisor for the FDA correct? And he made that statement about vapor settling on a couch and harming people? That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
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Correct..

He's basically the head advisor, whispering in the FDA's ear that e-cigs are dangerous -- even though he's been busted for bogus scientific studies & has, at least in the past, ties to Big Tobacco..


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Profit margin does not equal markup. I already told you that so why did you go into profit margins trying to claim them to be part of markup? You're a bit backwards.
Markup is I buy this item for $100 and I sell it for $200. Out of that $100 profit I pay for the rent, electricity, wages and all my other overhead. What's left in the bank when it's all said and done is profit margin. I SAID NOTHING ABOUT PROFIT MARGINS.

You're right, my number is off. IT'S LOW. It's probably more like 10,000% for some of the larger mixers.

There's the fact that my flavors are extremely costly because I buy them in tiny little bottles not gallon jugs. My 5¢/ml is from smart shopping but it's not from bulk pricing and wholesale deals.

Most of the rest of the retail world manages with markups of 100% - 300% (some only get markups in the single digit percents). You will never convince me eliquid is super special and needs to make 10x more than anyone else, which just magically comes out to be slightly undercutting cigarette costs. They make what they do because they can and to prepare for regulations (build a lab, set back a nest egg to pay for approval, etc.).

If they actually have to make that markup to pay their present overhead we're all screwed because they'll never even afford the application fees let alone the lawyers they'll need. But I know that's not the case because I've seen how liquid makers can take off and grow without taking on investors.

There's no need to shout, Myk. Why do you have to be like that?



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I'm seeing that some tune our statements out because they assume we are big tobacco. In every interview I hear "taking a play from big tobacco by aiming flavors at kids" ... and that's all they hear. We need to disarm that comment. Going into a lengthy explaination that can't be proven to a non-vapor won't do it.

Going into a discussion that shows a non-vaper what percentage of vendors are owned by BT can't be done? I'm not sure I understand this. Can do the same thing with vapers, and at least some vapers think BT is at the helm of the industry, driving the bus.

Can't convince all non-vapers that nicotine isn't all that addictive, that batteries don't explode but rarely, that you need more than 2 flavors to enjoy vaping, that really most of what FDA is going for is best addressed from the pro-vaping side. This is true with many issues where public has heard 3 second sound bite, and feel they are 'informed' about the issue in way that matters. BT is here to stay, and can be far better ally than all the other "B" entities we have available. If theoretically BT was removed, then BV would emerge and as is already the case in vape culture, they don't get universal respect. Take the top BV companies out, then here in vape culture there'd still be haters of whatever is left at the top, and they'd still be scapegoated by ANTZ as examples of why vaping must be done away with.

The reason I don't want BT in this comes from the Surgeon's General's Report; "Although the prevalence of smoking has declined significantly over the past half-century, the risks for smoking-related disease and mortality have not. In fact, today's cigarette smokers - both men and women - have a much higher risk for lung cancer and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) than smokers in 1964, despite smoking fewer cigarettes."

Cigarettes have become more harmful in the hands of BT. I don't want that to happen to eliquids and it will. I can go back and quote Dr. F on that one.

But Little V is already being nailed, even within vape culture, as producing harmful vape products, and is partially why FDA is getting involved. BT made a gross error by trying to make their product more addictive. And are paying heavy for that. But to say that everything they do from now on is inherently bad is hard to follow in a reasonable way. Just cause SG, ANTZ and public hates on smoking, doesn't make their arguments against smoking rock solid. In many cases, I find lots to question with so called 'facts' about smoking. Just as I do with so called 'facts' about the harms of vaping.
 
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