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I wonder how PayPal is going to respond to this. I have found 100's of vendors selling tobacco related accessories using the PayPal service and the e-cigs are no different since the ruling, so as long as no nic is sold everything else should be all in.
We shall see, I have emailed them and awaiting a response.
We shall see, I have emailed them and awaiting a response.
Vocalek I have the utmost respect for you and you do great things for this community, but I totally disagree with this remark.
I stand to inherit a bunch of money that my father WORKED AND SWEATED for, and just because I didn't work for it doesn't mean it shouldn't pass to me. Lots of people work HARD their entire lives and EARN money so that their kids can have something when they pass away. To say they should be cut off because they didn't "earn it" is harsh, considering alot of times they work really hard their ENTIRE lives to make it possible. Such remarks truly let jealousy shine through. Not everyone is rich, but not everyone is poor, either.
Like I said, I respect most of what you say nearly always, but you're WRONG today.
Here's the problem:
I inherit a cool 1 million - and pay a HUGE tax on it if I live in any one of ten states ( Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Oregon, New York, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Kentucky, and Iowa)
You inherit 1.5+ million OR live in any other state and you pay NOTHING.
Obviously fairness and common sense are not politically correct. Hopefully the next election round(s) will continue to correct this. When the middle class gets stomped on hard enough, maybe they'll go VOTE.
The government already got paid once, when the money was earned. I see no reason why the government needs to collect multiple times on the same thing.
It's like the car tax in Viginia. I lived in three other states before moving here. In those states, when you bought a car you paid sales tax and then paid a minimal fee once a year to renew your license plates.
In VA, I was astounded to be charged hundreds of dollars in taxes for my car each year. It's like paying an annual sales tax on the value of the car. One governor was swept into office on a promise to repeal the car tax. It got reduced a bit, but over ten years later, we still have the tax. My husband has a 1998 car and still pays state tax on it. Oh, and in addition you pay for the annual license plate renewal ($25), fees for safety and emissions inspections ($20 to $40), and at one time had to pay the county a $25 fee for a windshield decal to prove you had paid the car tax.
And filling out the state tax return was a hoot. For line 1, you were supposed to enter the number from line 35 on the second page. Duh? I think they fixed that. I don't know. As soon as computer programs became available for calculating income tax, I started using them instead of filling out forms by hand.
/rant over/
It's like the car tax in Viginia. I lived in three other states before moving here. In those states, when you bought a car you paid sales tax and then paid a minimal fee once a year to renew your license plates.
In VA, I was astounded to be charged hundreds of dollars in taxes for my car each year. It's like paying an annual sales tax on the value of the car. One governor was swept into office on a promise to repeal the car tax. It got reduced a bit, but over ten years later, we still have the tax. My husband has a 1998 car and still pays state tax on it. Oh, and in addition you pay for the annual license plate renewal ($25), fees for safety and emissions inspections ($20 to $40), and at one time had to pay the county a $25 fee for a windshield decal to prove you had paid the car tax.
And filling out the state tax return was a hoot. For line 1, you were supposed to enter the number from line 35 on the second page. Duh? I think they fixed that. I don't know. As soon as computer programs became available for calculating income tax, I started using them instead of filling out forms by hand.
/rant over/
Elaine, I think most of us reading this thread "got it" as written. Thanks!
Exactly, I read you loud and clear and I always enjoy what you have to say. Your eloquence is refreshing.
Thanks for all you do, Elaine!
In all fairness to Barney Frank, the basis of what he was talking about runs considerably deeper than that. It has to do with Jeffersonian concepts of Natural vs. Artificial or Pseudo Aristocracies: Jefferson on Public Education, Pseudo-Aristocracy and State Government – Texas Tenth Amendment Center
Somehow, I don't think Barney Frank gives a $#!t what the founding fathers thought.
You're funny in labeling me a conservative. Almost as funny as labeling me a liberal. I've never really been into either stance. All I was saying is they ought to take it ALL or take NOTHING, in my opinion. If they are going to take all, there should be a limit on how much you can "gift" while you're living and it shouldn't be millions if you want to create a more even playing field.
Thanks Greg,I was just going to clarify that myself and you saved me from having to do just that!
You say we should keep our political views out of this, while injecting your own political views. Many small businesses file taxes as individuals. If your small business is only taking in $250,000 and you have a family to feed, sorry, but you're middle class. I don't see what the big deal is whether you call it estate tax or death tax; either way, the government takes your money when you die. If anything, I would argue that "estate tax" is just a euphemism designed to make a tax when you die -- a death tax -- sound more palatable. Just be honest and call it what it is, for chrissakes. Liberals love euphemisms (what is Obama calling the war on terror these days? And what should we call illegal immigrants now? Oh yeah, "undocumented workers," got it. And don't even think about saying Christmas; it's the "Holidays" now). And what are euphemisms if not attempts to control the psychological impact of words? Harry Reid understands the psychological impact of a word when he calls an amnesty law designed to get more votes for the Democrats the DREAM act. Talk about cynical. So please spare me the BS about Karl Rove and the death tax. Karl Rove is regarded by the Tea Party as more of an old-style, business as usual Republican. Tea Partiers are people of principles. They are, in fact, leading the Republicans, and not the other way around. Sure, they might respond to a phrase, but the principle has to be there. They may be "hamsters," but they're not lemmings. You make a good point about crony capitalism. However, there's also no doubt that the Nanny State mentality, a.k.a. "socialism run amok," is a driving force behind the attempt to ban e-cigs and all sorts of other things. All you have to do is compare a liberal place like here in Seattle to a more conservative place like, I dunno, Des Moines and you'll see that the anti-everything laws are much stricter here -- all for our own good, of course. And that includes our brand new public vaping ban.
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Yes we certainly went far from that realm didn't we. LOL The only common thread is money and power. Don't fret though, I think there are at least five court threads with the main one the first on the news page.
The industry's annual sales are estimated at more than $100 million.
That's why. Licensing and fees. Taxing. You name it.
The Public Health Case for Electronic Cigarettes
"The FDA should not be trying to ban this product
if its aim is to reduce tobacco-related harm..."
Article: Click Here
"The FDA should not be trying to ban this product
if its aim is to reduce tobacco-related harm..."
Article: Click Here
Another to be added to the FDA's ignore list. That article, and others like it, need to be wrapped around a baseball bat and used accordingly.
Unfortunately, Mike Siegal has—as a consequence of his inconvenient truth telling—joined the rest of us in the leper camp.
Good article overall, but fails to see the beyond the fda's hype and get to the root of their actions, which is to protect the interests (dollars) of their existing clients- BP & BT. The dollars taken in by the various drug approval processes, should they win the war, will easily pay for their court actions. If they lose the war, the taxpayer has funded the battle for them. It's a no-brainer for the fda to continue the war until the last battle has been fought.
Our "Leper Camp" used to be "small" in numbers...Not anymore!
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