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FDA funded UNC activist unlawfully instruct minors how to illegally buy e-cigs online, than claim Internet vendors sell e-cigs to youth

Discussion in 'Media and General News' started by Bill Godshall, Mar 17, 2015.

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  1. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    You Obviously Don't like an 18 or Older Age Limit. Great. Get Active and maybe you can get some things Prevented. And any existing Laws Overturned.
     
  2. caramel

    caramel Vaping Master

    Dec 23, 2014
    It's sufficiently controled through parents checking Junior's budget and purchases.

    Parents that want the goverment to parent their children shall send their offspring to government foster care.
     
  3. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    So-Cal
    I think there is a Poll about that Topic.
     
  4. caramel

    caramel Vaping Master

    Dec 23, 2014
    Yes, and I recommend you post #55. :D
     
  5. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    So-Cal
    #58 Not Bad either.

    I think you even "Liked" it.
     
  6. Lessifer

    Lessifer Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    How do other age restricted industries handle this? What type of age verification is used/required to purchase pornography online?
     
  7. caramel

    caramel Vaping Master

    Dec 23, 2014
    The first paragraph. What I fully liked was #59 which pretty much closed the thread.
     
  8. Jman8

    Jman8 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 15, 2013
    Wisconsin
    Nothing like a little exploitation in your legislation.

    Gotta keep those pawns busy, busy, busy.
     
  9. Bad Ninja

    Bad Ninja Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 26, 2013
    God's Country
    There are tons of working examples of age verification already in use.
    Easy enough to adopt rather than trying to re invent the wheel.

    The FDA is a waste of money and should be shut down.
    There is no need for that study. E cigs and tobacco products are already illegal
    For minors to purchase.
     
  10. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    Despite that part, I think anyone exploiting kids in that manner should... no must! go to jail.
     
  11. TaketheRedPill

    TaketheRedPill Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 27, 2009
    Southern California
    Do pre-paid cards have a 'member since' date? If no 'member since', I've read about using a mandatory ID verification through a third party before ship and a $1.00-$2.00 one-time registration fee to the basket (made up for with trinkets, like a lanyard, etc) to cover that cost. I've read that third party verify is how on-line gambling places deal with pesky little minors who try to beat the system.

    Pushing banks who issue debit cards to minors to issue a specific series numbers that identify that card as belonging to a minor would be a good start also. Haven't heard anyone bring that up yet.
     
  12. squee

    squee Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 12, 2013
    Central CT
  13. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Green Lane, Pa
    Kids can buy whatever they want on the internet as long as they're willing to lie and either steal or be given a credit card. The fact that the federal government would fund illegal activity and children were used by "researchers" to break the law should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Heck, kids have been getting fake IDs for years to bypass laws. I know fake driver's licenses are harder today, but I'd guess someone has figured out a way to create them.

    http://www.amazon.com/Wine-Red-White-Sparkling-Dessert-Rose/b?ie=UTF8&node=2983386011

    Wine.com

    https://www.smokersoutletonline.com/cigars/cheyenne-heavy-weight-filtered-cigars-1.html
     
  14. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Seems like the Requirements to buy Alcohol thru the Internet are Adequate Enough.

    Because I Don't Hear any public outcry about Minors buying Booze online.
     
  15. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    I noticed that all those Nicotine Base listing said that they were for "Gum or Lozenge".

    A Clever way to Skirt something that Amazon probably Doesn't Allow with something they Do.
     
  16. caramel

    caramel Vaping Master

    Dec 23, 2014
    Theoretically one could extract the juice from a Nicorette inhaler and vape it.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Jman8

    Jman8 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 15, 2013
    Wisconsin
    It's not like online (today) can't be done without face to face interaction. Might not be entirely convenient for everyone going forward, but if the choice is online face to face or B&M face to face, then there is the option either way.

    At some point though, adults (or those who refer to themselves as mature, fully aware citizens) need to recognize that regardless of how the law is written and implemented, that kids are going to vape. I know of no way to prevent this in all cases, and cannot think of a substance/item available on the black market that a minor stands no chance of obtaining.

    That there are some on our side who think "kids should never vape" or "kids shouldn't be allowed to vape" just makes it that much easier to exploit the workarounds that will forever be available going forward. And exploited under written legislation that says the State cannot be considered engaging in wrong doing when it uses children to make such purchases. It's as if we agreed to prohibition and then have to come up with a suitable defense for when the prohibition is shown to not work. And if we cannot, then we must agree that "more prohibition" is the solution.
     
  18. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    this is one of my pet peeves. compliance checks have nothing to
    do with preventing anyone from selling anything to children.
    they are an illusion created to pacify and or control commerce
    as to overly regulate and tax products.. they know no one would deliberately
    sell to a minor if its against there best interest to do so. kids get
    contraband the same way we did it as kids. they get some one old
    enough to buy it from them. its a big dog and pony show that makes
    them money to boot.there are modeling agencies that specialize
    in kids that look more like their 30 than any where near early 20's
    as to rent the out to local officials in the hope to maximize
    non-compliance citations. so you ask what about those that
    choose to sell to minors? well generally about 6 months to a
    year of investigating so the prosecutors can build a case,all
    the while the kids sat happily at the bar drinking as happened here.
    compliance checks only serve to keep honest and legitimate vendors
    feel intimidated and less likely to organize and complain.
    if it were for any other reason why don't they go after the actual people
    that are knowingly buying products illegally?. mainly the minors.
    a reverse compliance check. well that would involve real police work
    with no real tangible results as the percentage of minors actually
    buying illegally is very small when compared to the total actually
    using the contraband.
    its interesting to note that when it comes to things that are illegal
    for any of us to buy there may be stiffer penalties involved
    if the're sold to minors but, there is no law i know of that requires sellers
    of illegal things to I.D. buyers to insure at the very least they are
    old enough to vote. law breakers break the law. honest citizens follow the
    law.
    compliance checks don't catch law breakers,they create law breakers.
    :2c:
    regards
    mike
     
  19. hoogie76

    hoogie76 Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Aug 1, 2009
    Charlotte, NC
    Age verification software/services do not use credit card data for verification. Verification is based on bill to/ ship to information.

    hoog
     
  20. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    That's Interesting.

    So is Adult Signature upon delivery the way to go?
     
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