Fda news release
- Thread starter Krakkan
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
-
- Tags
- nemesis revolution
- Status
Interesting that the carcinogens are what you would find in tobacco, ie. nicotine derived from tobacco has trace amounts of tobacco elements.
Let's not forget the sun is a carcinogen. To what degree of exposure consumption is the trace carcinogens actually carcinogenic.
The zero nicotine may have had registered some nicotine but in the zero nicotine cartridges when heated to the atomizing temp of the units generated no nicotine.
This release is an effort by the FDA to sway the court which was possibly going to rule and still may that e-cigs are tobacco products and not drugs and medical devices and should be subjected to those regulatory processes not yet created.
Still no excuse e-cig companies need to do better and ensure solutions are as safe as can be. Consumers will pay the additional costs for safety. Right?
Let's not forget the sun is a carcinogen. To what degree of exposure consumption is the trace carcinogens actually carcinogenic.
The zero nicotine may have had registered some nicotine but in the zero nicotine cartridges when heated to the atomizing temp of the units generated no nicotine.
This release is an effort by the FDA to sway the court which was possibly going to rule and still may that e-cigs are tobacco products and not drugs and medical devices and should be subjected to those regulatory processes not yet created.
Still no excuse e-cig companies need to do better and ensure solutions are as safe as can be. Consumers will pay the additional costs for safety. Right?
FINALLY! after years of seeing protest marches regarding subjects I care nothing about there is one I can truly get behind. If I had money... I'd use it. The FDA approved Methadone for addiction treatment for many narcotics with DEATH... being a controversal side effect. Yet approved. Why? Because they use it in comparison to what it is fighting. Herion addiction, Morphine, etc etc. can also have these results. The real difference is whether or not they can control it and put their own price tag on it. Seriously, has anyone ever really paid attention to the disclaimer of ANY pharmaceutical advertisement? "Please discontinue if you have thoughts of suicide"... WTF! No thanks! Take a drug for heartburn, and get rid of the heartburn... but now you have to take a new pill for your new case of anxiety. So now you take a new pill, and now the constipation starts... It's a never ending cycle they will be pleased to accomodate... OKAY... now I am just venting...
I found this alternative to smoking tobacco eight weeks ago. In that time I have taught myself how to build atomizers and power supplies. If the godawful government bans e-cigs and outlaws posession of hardware/paraphanalia they will have to take it from my cold dead hands.
No --they sell all types of flavored cartridges--just take a look at NJOY's website.---They must have purchased the Kit and some carts---who knows--maybe some of them actually enjoyed trying them out? I am disturbed that that one ingredient was in the SE cartridge as there was no need for it to be in there at all. But then again, only regulation and oversight is going to stop that.
Sun
Registered doesn't mean approved. It just means their in line to be tested.
None taken Edens---but I would like to give SE a good kick in the rear--why they had to put that chemical in their cartridge to cut corners was way out of line IMO.
Sun
Sun, we misunderstood somewhere. You stated that they got the samples from Kits and I was asking how that's possible when neither company sells Starter Kits containing any flavors other than traditional tobacco.
Ordering the flavored cartridges (outside of the kits) is a separate issue. Is that what you think happened, or did they get samples from customs seizures?
Ordering the flavored cartridges (outside of the kits) is a separate issue. Is that what you think happened, or did they get samples from customs seizures?
Maybe it was an accident that happened in China or maybe...(get ready for my tin foil hat)...these weren't the only cartridges sampled by the FDA. Maybe they really sampled a lot more than 19 cartridges and they just filtered the results to show that ingredient?
That Call was really vague... They mentioned kids a lot.. now.. did they really confuse whats in them? Im not sure.. but am still waiting for the other shoe to drop 
I for one, May end up switching all my juice to VG.. any thoughts on that?
Jason
I for one, May end up switching all my juice to VG.. any thoughts on that?Jason
I feel like they got their carcinogen report from flavored carts somehow. These levels could easily come from standard "food additive" carts.
Our House--I definitely think the used the seized products--the FDA has stated even to Supplier's here on the Forum that have gotten products seized, that they were being sent for testing so that only makes sense.
Sun
Diethylene glycol (DEG) is listed on the Phillip Morris website as a non-tobacco ingredient for filter adhesives. I can only surmise that DEG is dangerous in e-cigs...not tobacco. The chemical must have magical properties!
Non-Tobacco Ingredients - Philip Morris USAIn fairness Wiki reports a myriad of poisonings and death mostly due to contaminated cough syrup. The FDA passed rules that products could not exceed certain limits based on their classification.
Glycerin Monograph Revision Aims To Prevent Serious Health Hazards Associated With Diethylene Glycol-contaminated Glycerin
The next link is one company's guide to DEG that provides a long list alternate names for the chemical on page 4, applications on page 5 (includes anti-freeze), and non-supported uses on page 7 that includes inhalation. I suspect the recommendations are reflective of avoiding liability suits, or a disclaimer on paper. But the issues presented offer insight to our enemies modes of attack.
http://www.meglobal.biz/literature/product_guides/MEGlobal_DEG.pdf
if you look on fda's website you'll see that in the past week 2 report refusal documents has grown to a total of 4 report refusal documents. I am not intimidated as of yet. search ecig from fda.gov and see for yourself. can they inforce such a ban? I feel it's more costly than they are really prepared for.
We already know this is a loaded battle. The opposition has some of the most powerful organizations at their disposal. the tobacco industry for one. They don't want to lose customers that pay on average (a guess) around 5 dollars a day for their habit. The government collects a generous tax on these products. Why? because every time a new tax is introduced on cigarettes and tobacco it is destined to pass. The reason is because most voters are non smokers and who doesn't want to select a group that is not their own to pay their taxes for them??? The FDA is smart to try to shut this alternative down before this really takes off... It is our responsibility to relay our experiences to our masses and inform them of the benefits of vaping. For our children and for their future. Eden
Wish I could say I was in any way surprised. But why would I be? This is THE American story. Our entire history is the manipulation of the masses, to serve the ends of the moneyed elite.
No, I don't have a tinfoil hat.
Think of what they did to hemp, how we got into many and various wars, pharma, medicine, privatization, etc... All of it was about pleasing the elite and powerful. Probably the greatest example of all is the Federal Reserve.
Every aspect of our lives MUST provide a profit, somehow, to someone high up. Even how you spend your leisure time must be manipulated and regulated so to make sure someone makes a buck. As well as how you die.From cradle to grave they must have complete control.
So anything low-cost, anything naturally available MUST be forbidden. So marijuana- a plant, is illegal. Even plants, herbs and nutrients are coming under attack now, because they cannot be patented. So Big Pharma is lobbying to get them regulated and pulled as well. And every few years they reformulate all their medicines so as to be able to maintain their patents.
So no surprises here. Not today.
I wonder what its like to live in a free country....
No, I don't have a tinfoil hat.
Think of what they did to hemp, how we got into many and various wars, pharma, medicine, privatization, etc... All of it was about pleasing the elite and powerful. Probably the greatest example of all is the Federal Reserve.
Every aspect of our lives MUST provide a profit, somehow, to someone high up. Even how you spend your leisure time must be manipulated and regulated so to make sure someone makes a buck. As well as how you die.From cradle to grave they must have complete control.
So anything low-cost, anything naturally available MUST be forbidden. So marijuana- a plant, is illegal. Even plants, herbs and nutrients are coming under attack now, because they cannot be patented. So Big Pharma is lobbying to get them regulated and pulled as well. And every few years they reformulate all their medicines so as to be able to maintain their patents.
So no surprises here. Not today.
I wonder what its like to live in a free country....
That Call was really vague... They mentioned kids a lot.. now.. did they really confuse whats in them? Im not sure.. but am still waiting for the other shoe to drop
Jason
Hey Jason i think it is the Nicotine and the cloth like item in the cartridge where they got there chemical break down in. If you really want something you are thinking, then it would have to be just VG and 100% flavoring extract. and some sort of organic cloth, this would eliminate all toxic items i think. or atleast be a good start.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
