Fear of Mods

[macpeace]

Total Honesty
As you can tell I am new to this forum. I am not new to the vape world. I see all the cool looking devices out there, and I mean this, I really like them. I have several times bought something, only to quickly return it, because I am honestly scared of dealing with the battery situation. There are two separate parts to this fear. The first being that I will be out somewhere and run out of battery. So this would mean also carrying a spare battery around with me. I really don't like that. The second fear is from all the warnings you get from these batteries. In my short experience with 18650 batteries, I felt totally paranoid every time they were on the charger. I constantly checked them, and never ever once felt safe to leave some on a charge and go to bed. I looked on the net hoping to find a ton of articles of people saying look newb, you are being way too OCD, charge the damn things and don't think twice, and enjoy your mod. Go to bed, go to the movies, they aren't going to explode or catch your house on fireWhat I found was a whole lot of use at your own risk info.
My wife and I both have iTaste MVP's and MVP's 2. I feel safe with these because the battery is built-in. I feel no fear of leaving these charging when I am asleep or away from home. I also, really enjoy the vape I get from these. I should probably say enjoy the vape, battery life, and safe feeling=done I am happy. But... I keep seeing all these cool devices on this forum.
So my questions are...
Are there any other good devices with built-in batteries you know of?
If I decide to get a mod...
So many people use these mods, surely they are safe right?
If I did get a mod, what is a great one to look at?
Do these fireproof charging bags give you a sense of security?
Do you leave batteries charging freely while you are not at home or sleeping?
So many different batteries and knockoffs out there, what is the safest one?
Can I get a full days vape without carrying around extra batteries or does everyone carry around an extra battery?
I have lawn stuff and drills that use lithium batteries and I leave them on their chargers, is it the same thing?

Surely, others have been through this situation. Please enlighten me. Thanks

 

[Steam Turbine]

The fact that a battery is built-in in no way means that they are safer. You should not charge any kind of battery unattended, (cellphone, razor etc...). There is always a risk when dealing with batteries.

However.

There is ways to use batteries safely. Knowledge is the key.

Using the right battery with the right charger is the key.

IMR batteries are know as (safer chemistry battery) meaning that if something goes wrong, they wont explode, they will get burning hot but wont explode.... AW (brand name) High drain IMR (chemistry) batteries are a standard in vaping, and you can use them safely in any kind of mods (assuming you are not talking of mechanical mods).

Secondly, most variable voltage or wattage mods are protected against battery failures... If the device sense that something is wrong with the battery it will shut down.

Battery failures happens in a charger or inside of a device, carrying them in your pockets (in a plastic case, not loose in pockets) is safe.

 

[Sickkboy]

Honesty, I'm scared by built-in battery like MVP or ego style more than 18650 that I use. Do yourself a favor, buy a decent charger like xtar or nitecore and some good Hi-drain/Hybrid battery like AW, Panny, Sony. I vape 7-8 ml a day on 0.8 ohm nano/micro coil and the battery still last me all day long with no problem at all.

 

[Steam Turbine]

Baditude should jump in any moment now with a crapload of battery info.... Listen to him.

 

[Stosh]

A good quality IMR 18650 should last you all day, (I still carry a spare, just in case, in a plastic case)
They are the same batteries you carry around in your laptop everyday.
For charging a fireproof charging bag is a great idea, and with the IMR (a safe chemistry), a very safe way to recharge your batteries.

 

[HawaiiVPR]

My wife and I both have iTaste MVP's and MVP's 2. I feel safe with these because the battery is built-in. I feel no fear of leaving these charging when I am asleep or away from home. I also, really enjoy the vape I get from these. I should probably say enjoy the vape, battery life, and safe feeling=done I am happy. But... I keep seeing all these cool devices on this forum.
So my questions are...
Are there any other good devices with built-in batteries you know of?

In my opinion, you already have the best built-in battery device currently available. Question to ask is, what do you want different that your MVP2 is not providing? Higher wattage? Higher voltage? Or is this more of an aesthetic preference?

I decided for myself not to pick up another VV/VW PV since my MVP2 provides basically everything that I would want a PV to do, so my next step once I'm ready is go with a mechanical mod. I'm eyeing the Magneto since the price seems very good and nice to have a unique switch assembly that most others don't.

Anyway, good luck with your search!

 

[Baditude]

I agree with all the previous posters. The MVP uses the same chemistry batteries as do the replaceable rechargeable single cell batteries do. It is no safer, nor more dangerous.

It's good to have a healthy respect for lithium ion batteries. They have a lot of stored energy in them. If not handled or used correctly, they can be dangerous items. Lawnmowers and chainsaws are dangerous, too. Yet many people use those with care safely.

HOWEVER, if you educate yourself about battery chemistry and learn/practice safe battery habits, these batteries are perfectly safe to use in mods. IMR and hybrid batteries are a safe chemistry battery; they are more tolerant to stress than ICR protected battery chemistry. If abused or used inappropriately, they can fail and go thermal runaway. But it will be much less dramatic than an ICR battery.

With the current modern batteries available today, there's really no reason to use protected batteries anymore. The IMR and hybrid batteries are a much safer alternative.

Electronic regulated mods like a Vamo, SVD, ZMax, Provari, and MVP all have electronic protective circuitry which will detect a short and either refuse to fire the atomizer attachment or shut itself down to protect the battery, itself, and you. Mechanical mods have no built-in protection, so you have to depend upon yourself to vape safe, and use a Vape Safe Mod Fuse.

You can carry spare batteries safely in a pocket or purse IF you carry them in plastic battery cases.

Choose a recommended battery charger by Pila, Nitecore, or Xtar. Although these chargers are designed to stop charging a battery when it has reached full charge, it is still recommended to remove them when finished, and to not leave a charging battery unattended. Safe battery practices.

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected?

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries

Mechanical Mod Proper Usage Guide

 

[macpeace]

Thanks for the replies guys. Lot's to study and thing about...
My bottom line I think for now is:
Seems no one is saying yeah you can charge these and sleep like a baby. So if a battery takes 8-9 hours to charge and you have to babysit it=forget it. I guess I will never have a jedi looking vapor rig.

 

[Rocketpunk]

My suggestion, if it is possible...

Find a brick and mortar store near you. A place that will let you hold and touch and fiddle with things. Especially a place that has mods. There is a super cool function here on ECF where you can look up registered B&M's near your location.

Any decent brick and mortar store will let you handle and sample merchandise, from eGo batteries to mods, as well as sample e-juice. I hope your journey goes well!!

EDIT: [McBane]: Upon closer inspection, I replied wrongly to dees fred, ja.[/McBane].

 

[Baditude]

Seems no one is saying yeah you can charge these and sleep like a baby. So if a battery takes 8-9 hours to charge and you have to babysit it=forget it..

We may not admit it to novices, but we have all left a battery to charge overnight at some point. We suggest using safe battery practices. I still will never leave the house with a battery charging, though.

Batteries do not take 8-9 hours to charge. Most take 2 - 4 hours.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/store-locator/

 

[danca90]

When the batteries are charging, it's time to cruise ECF. Once they're done, time to sleep.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

Baditude should jump in any moment now with a crapload of battery info.... Listen to him.

Worse comes to worse...just copy/paste the link to Baditudes blog...just make sure you give kudos where they are deserved!

Battery Basics for Mods. IMR or Protected? By: Baditude

 

[Steam Turbine]

Worse comes to worse...just copy/paste the link to Baditudes blog...just make sure you give kudos where they are deserved!

Battery Basics for Mods. IMR or Protected? By: Baditude

I had no doubt that he would of chimed in... That's why I didn't link his work

 

[macpeace]

Kinda seems like I am being over protective about this. If it really only take 2-4 hours to charge then ok. My MVP2 last a good 6 hours of vaping. So I can take it out to work and feel comfortable I won't run out of a charge. No one has been brave enough to cover the leaving batteries charging over night. But some have said leaving my MVP2 charging is basically the same thing. While I am not convinced that is true, I am wondering. Of the two mods I have seen both came with a trust fire charger that seemed well low-end, and I neither trusted it nor felt the comfort of fireproof. rather I think the name spoke well. Trust this and you'll get a fire. I could be wrong, like I have mentioned I have little experience and a lot of fear. I keep hoping people would say fear not, but I am seeing that it is a safety risk for sure. Baditude's battery basics helped, but nothing is giving me the green light here. So how does it work mod users? Do you guys charge one battery while you are using another? Do you always carry a spare? Can you vape heavily and get 6-8 hours on a single 18650? Does it really only take 2-4hrs to charge a 18650? Do all these thousand of regular mod users all unplug their chargers before bed each night? I know I sound uneducated and that is because I am. I think the way to learn is to ask people who know. Please forgive the newbness and thanks to everyone lending a helping hand.

 

[Baditude]

My AW IMR 18650 2000mah batteries last me nearly all day. I consider myself an average vapor, consuming 3 ml of juice a day.

I have six 18650 batteries that I use in rotation. I have a 4 bay Nitecore Intellicharger i4. It's nothing to me to charge a couple of batteries after suppertime, they are ready to be pulled from the charger by bedtime. The charger is located by my stove in the kitchen so I feel secure in the rare instance should a charger/battery mishap occur.

I typically bring a smaller mod like my MVP or my Mini Provari (18350 battery) when I leave the house, and routinely bring a couple extra batteries for the Mini with me in a plastic battery case for my pocket. The 18350 batteries last around 6 - 7 hours.

 

[Baditude]

My MVP2 last a good 6 hours of vaping.

You only get 6 hours with an MVP?

 

[Steam Turbine]

A battery is a battery. Google "cellphone battery explosion" and you'll find tons of incidences. It makes no difference if a manufacturer put the battery in a device or if a user did.

Batteries are filled with very potent chemicals.

Every body charges their cellphones over night... But... Nobody should.

 

[D. Waterhouse]

I use a SID with Panasonic batteries charged with an Xtar charger. I can get around 2 days on a charge but I try to swap after one and it takes about 4 hours to charge on the low setting on my charger. I don't carry a spare, I have two batteries so I charge and swap and I never charge overnight unless I forget.

To answer your question of Really?: Yes, Really.

 

[HawaiiVPR]

You only get 6 hours with an MVP?

Wow, maybe vaping and charging a cell phone simultaneously? lol

 

[Thrasher]

MVP2 last a good 6 hours of vaping. So I can take it out to work and feel comfortable I won't run out of a charge. No one has been brave enough to cover the leaving batteries charging over night. But some have said leaving my MVP2 charging is basically the same thing. While I am not convinced that is true

believe it the battery in the mvp is the exact same battery we carry in our other mods, bust one open and i promise you will see a standard 1800 series Li ion battery. it is the same chemistry in your phone, laptop, cordless drill, rechargeable flashlights, ego's njoys, blu and every other rechargeable product we use today, INCLUDING most of the electrical vehicles like the TESLA, in a stand alone charger it will actually be safer as the stand alone charger(the better ones) will actually have more safety features built in, while I agree with bad about leaving batteries on while sleeping they are in a semi safe spot in the kitchen and I just remove them when i get up if it happens. but like others i will not leave them unattended if more then a few minutes.

there is every reason to be cautious and learn all we can but there is very little to actually be afraid of.