Fed up with deffective attys

[Quexos]

Ok, I been at this vaping thing for about 3 or 4 months now. In that time I have accumulated 18 authentic, standard Joye atomizers and drip only to waste less juice. None have failed (as in boom!) yet. All still glow red quickly and properly, but....

Of the 12 atomizers out of 18 that I have actually used so far, literally only about 3 of them work or ever worked worth a damn. All the rest put out a pathetic little puff of smoke after a long 5 second draw, or flood constantly. I mean you run them dry to the point of tasting burnt threads and get a decent amount of vapor or add one more drop and they flood and put out nothing! how the Hell do you guys drip 2-3 drops then get 6-8 puffs? I am always in a micro-balance between dry and flood with maybe 1-2 proper hits in between and most of my attys will never get to the sweet spot. There is either nothing, not even burnt taste, or a flood, as if the juice is just running right past the glowing coil and never getting close enough to vaporize.

I am doing nothing but swapping batteries and mods, pass-throughs, and blowing them out and restarting all to try and get one working long enough to enjoy it. I generally get one going, sit down to relax and it sputters out again and the cycle resumes.

If you have any idea what I am doing wrong, please enlighten me. I have bought enough new parts to last me 3 years, but still only have enough proper attys to keep me going daily. I have 2 ego batteries, 2 standard Joye 510's, 2 Joye pass-throughs and a wall > USB plug for them, and 4 mods I made with 24g solid wire and 14500 batteries. All seem to work fine with the 2 or 3 good attys I have, but act like they have dead batteries with the other 8 or so attys.

Is getting a decent atty really that much of a crap shoot? Do I really need to buy 5 to get one that works?

/rant

 

[mwa102464]

Maybe you should change where your buying your Atty's.!! Also only buy a couple from each vendor you try till you find the great Atty's your looking for. It is tough however to find even two that are exactly alike, seems like everyone of them has a bit different of a draw and airflow, I think its because there all put together by hand, but there are good ones out there for sure and from Joy.!! I like Drews over at NHaler best of all when it comes to Atty's, you might wanna give his a try>>>!!!

 

[jj2]

Never used that model so don't have much advise. I guess so far, with my models, I've had real good luck because I've never had a bad one, and only have killed around 6 in all the time I've vaped.
Hope things get better.

 

[boochips]

You can't go wrong with MyVaporStore.com either. I have gotten most of my attys from them since last year and they are great.

 

[foebea]

I've bought 50 from puresmoker. only one dud out of 30 used so far (not all by me.. i gift them in batches to soon to be ex smokers). I get about 2 or 3 months out of them minimum. If it isn't producing clouds of vapor, I get no satisfaction from it. Prior to that I bought my atomizers from eastmall. They were a bit more hit or miss, perhaps 40% lasting only a week. My sample size is too small though, with these numbers it is still in the range of coincidence.

 

[phylo]

Hey Quexos,

Are you sure you are getting genuine JOYE atomizers? There are a lot of suppliers who say they are selling them and are really selling knock offs. Some of them know they are selling the knock offs and some don't. The manufacturers in China all say the are making JOYE bit's and pieces at this point, so sometimes it hard for new suppliers to tell the difference. Not to mention that no matter how many times you ask some manufacturers they will still say they are genuine JOYE parts.

If you are getting real JOYE atomizers then its not going to matter how many different suppliers you are going to try as they all come off the same assembly line and there are bad batches on occasion. That might be the case if you ordered all 18 at one time.

Having been in business for over 2 and a half years now I have seen the Chinese try to pull all kinds of shenanigans.

Phil

 

[Quexos]

...with my models, I've had real good luck because I've never had a bad one, and only have killed around 6 in all the time I've vaped.

What model would that be? Mine are all Joye 510 standard volt/resist. I'm pretty sure they are full blown, authentic Joye. All look identical inside...like Joye brand, no ring, thin bridge, etc. I bought 8 of them in pairs of 2 from 4 different vendors. Totally Wicked (1 good one after returning the first 2 that were both duds for 2 more), Cignot (2 good one, but one became a dud after a few days), Litecigusa (1 good one), and a local guy I forgot the store. Then recently I ordered 10 from Heaven-gifts, 2 of which I tried out so far and one is good, the other is a dud. Joye is Joye. How is one dealer going to have better ones?

Don't get me wrong, most of these will work, with a lot of fiddling. By dud, I don't mean DOA, just weak vapor production. But only 3 or 4 work well and don't require almost constant blowing out from floods (after only 2 drops from being vaped dry) or just because they seem to stop working well after a few good puffs or they have a very hard draw as if they're plugged up, but they're not.

I am becoming convinced it is just a matter of manufacturing slop and to work well all the parts in there have to be placed just so...and most are not. Packed in too tight, too loose, inserted slightly too far, not far enough, whatever. And to my experience so far, only about 1 in 5 is worth a damn. I mean, just look at the threads/wick in there. Half the time they are hanging out all over, other times they're so far in there I can't tell if they put any in at all. Are the coils the same way? The mesh wrapped around it?

 

[jnnfrlsw]

Q- I was having the same problem not getting a consistent vape experience. Then I tried a 510 lowresistant atomizer. It gives you the experience of hv vaping with your Ego. I get most of mine from nhaler. Also just ordered a pack of 5 at eastmall.net
Don't give up, it really is worth all the headaches once you get the right combo of equipment. The Ego with LR atomizers are the way to-or were for me. Hang in there. Jenn

 

[Quexos]

Yeah, I love vaping on the days that my good attys are in rotation. I am just getting frustrated on the other days that I have to constantly fiddle with the "duds" and waste juice by the bucket with floods and blowing out, etc.

On that note, I have just discovered that some of the duds work well with a cart, but terrible when dripping. That's an improvement, but I don't really care for carts any more. I can get good vapor, but hardly any flavor with them.

Maybe I will make a 5 volt mod and try the "duds" on that. Maybe the extra voltage will light them up. That or pop them so I can toss them in the trash and stop worrying about it, hahah.

 

[boochips]

Yeah, I love vaping on the days that my good attys are in rotation. I am just getting frustrated on the other days that I have to constantly fiddle with the "duds" and waste juice by the bucket with floods and blowing out, etc.

On that note, I have just discovered that some of the duds work well with a cart, but terrible when dripping. That's an improvement, but I don't really care for carts any more. I can get good vapor, but hardly any flavor with them.

Maybe I will make a 5 volt mod and try the "duds" on that. Maybe the extra voltage will light them up. That or pop them so I can toss them in the trash and stop worrying about it, hahah.

I am also a dripper and I am really starting to like the 510 cartomizers. I just pop the end off and drip in them. They seem to last a long time and cost less than $2 each in packs of 5.

 

[BanjoMan]

The only Joye 510's I've used were ones I bought from Heaven-gifts, and I wasn't very impressed with them. The vapor production was just "ok" and they burned out easily when I cleaned them. Last time around I got some LR's from Eastmall, and I love them. Great vapor and long-lasting. For $3 each they're tough to beat.

I also agree about the 510 cartomizers. They're definitely worth a try.

 

[DaveP]

Quexos wrote:
I am becoming convinced it is just a matter of manufacturing slop and to work well all the parts in there have to be placed just so...and most are not. Packed in too tight, too loose, inserted slightly too far, not far enough, whatever. And to my experience so far, only about 1 in 5 is worth a damn. I mean, just look at the threads/wick in there. Half the time they are hanging out all over, other times they're so far in there I can't tell if they put any in at all. Are the coils the same way? The mesh wrapped around it?

I'd be interested if you could find a way to measure the depth to the edge of the bowl using some sort of thin metal rod and see if there is actually a variance in the seating of the atomizers. It would be interesting to see what the depth of a good atomizer is. Low atomizer bowl depth or bridge height would both give the same symptom as a cart with the filler pushed back to far since wetting of the atty bridge is dependent on proper contact.

 

[savagemyth]

YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THEM.

I use them a day or two until they vape slow like yours, then when i get about 5 or 6 that are ready for cleaning I soak them in mouthwash (scope outlast blue, works great for menthol flavoring too) for about an hour, swish them around every few minutes until you see all the gunk come out. Take them out and blow them out from each end, place on paper towel and dry. You'll be amazed at the difference.

Another thing that works is to use a variable voltage device. Myself I use a 2 amp cigarette lighter power source that goes from 1-12 volts in steps including 4.5, 6, and 7 volts and modded it with a female USB connector tip from Radio Shack. This works great for attys that are underproducing (and probably about to die anyhow). You can keep going up until it finally burns out. I'm hoping some of the new variable voltage devices that are coming out won't be duds!

 

[cozzicon]

What model would that be? Mine are all Joye 510 standard volt/resist. I'm pretty sure they are full blown, authentic Joye. All look identical inside...like Joye brand, no ring, thin bridge, etc. I bought 8 of them in pairs of 2 from 4 different vendors. Totally Wicked (1 good one after returning the first 2 that were both duds for 2 more), Cignot (2 good one, but one became a dud after a few days), Litecigusa (1 good one), and a local guy I forgot the store. Then recently I ordered 10 from Heaven-gifts, 2 of which I tried out so far and one is good, the other is a dud. Joye is Joye. How is one dealer going to have better ones?

Don't get me wrong, most of these will work, with a lot of fiddling. By dud, I don't mean DOA, just weak vapor production. But only 3 or 4 work well and don't require almost constant blowing out from floods (after only 2 drops from being vaped dry) or just because they seem to stop working well after a few good puffs or they have a very hard draw as if they're plugged up, but they're not.

I am becoming convinced it is just a matter of manufacturing slop and to work well all the parts in there have to be placed just so...and most are not. Packed in too tight, too loose, inserted slightly too far, not far enough, whatever. And to my experience so far, only about 1 in 5 is worth a damn. I mean, just look at the threads/wick in there. Half the time they are hanging out all over, other times they're so far in there I can't tell if they put any in at all. Are the coils the same way? The mesh wrapped around it?

It might be nice if someone in the know would upload example pics of a genuine Joye atomizer, and then the knockoffs for reference.

I think I have legit ones... but I sure couldn't tell my looking.

 

[Driver]

Maybe it's the dripping, I've been vaping heavy for a couple weeks on my originals that came with my 510. Just an idea.

 

[Quexos]

I went ahead and ordered myself a 5 volt passthrough and 2 amp usb wall adapter from Madvapes. We'll see if that wakes them up a bit. Been wanting to try 5 volt anyway.

As for cleaning, I use mine, in pairs of 2 to avoid overheating, for about 2 days, then clean them. I tried the Crest mouthwash, but switched to white vinegar. That stuff will clean green off copper. Then after a couple hours of soaking and sloshing around in that, I boil them briefly in purified water and blow them out to get them all rinsed off, and then they sit and dry a couple days. It doesn't seem to help at all. I was even worried it may be harming them more than helping, but some of my best working attys are the ones that have been through the various cleaning methods I've tried and they are fine.

 

[halfevildruid]

I drip only 4-6 drops in a new one shake it out and drip a couple more than just drip 2 drops at a time while I use it. I don't clean them at all. Just blow them out occasionally if I get a juice thats awful. I keep two or three on me at all times one as a spare, one for my patriot orange cinnamon and one for my coffee so as not to mix flavors. I almost never have an atty quit however after a time I chuck them when the flavor just isnt the same. There is always an occasional dud from this retailer or that one, and my best luck has always been joye. smoore, dse, slb's I noticed do tend to not perform as good for as long. After over a year and a half to two years joye 510s are the only atty I use. My retailers of choice have been and always will be litecig and TW. They have proven themselves time and again... where's that weevil?????