Feeling like ive stopped...but not stopped?

[m00sey]

I'm using an ego with an evod and its not doing it for me either. I also think its all about the setup. Any chance you could post exactly what u are using. I'm new to this and don't know which way to go. So much out there and so confusing with all the choices

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Im just using a UK based starter pack from Jacvapour but if you have an ego with evod I think you have a more advanced set up than me!?

Im sure there is more US based people on here that can help you..start a new thread with any problems or advise you need, you will get plenty of help im sure! Stick with it as im sure there will be a set up that will suit you and replace or make "smoking" better to help you quit.

 

[dripdaze]

Hello m00sey! Welcome to ECF. Congrats on your accomplishment. I smoked for 40yrs. and had recently cut back to about 8 stinkies/day. I couldn't do any better than that though. I then bought an eGo kit and haven't smoked since. If vaping isn't stopping the urge to smoke, more nicotine in the juice might help. I started with 24mg.

 

[djsvapour]

I'm using an ego with an evod and its not doing it for me either. I also think its all about the setup. Any chance you could post exactly what u are using. I'm new to this and don't know which way to go. So much out there and so confusing with all the choices

What you are using is often satisfactory for some people. If it's not working for you, but you feel there is some potential, why not start a new thread?
Please.

 

[DC2]

Personally I'm all for them regulating some types as 'medical devices' - prescribing them to smokers, particularly if they're too young to buy them, can only be a good thing.

Problem is that a lot of people see it as an 'either / or', and think that if some devices are certified others can't be sold on the open market. That makes no sense logically, if the open market ones aren't making any medical claims.

I would LOVE to see someone get their electronic cigarette approved as a medical device.
It would really strengthen our arguments and help shut up the detractors.

I remember that Intellicig was in the process of trying to get such approval before being bought by British American Tobacco.
I have not heard much about it since then.

 

[PgLover]

Well done to the OP, you no longer smoke. I smoked regularly for 15 years and then moved to social smoking before I found e-cigs. Now I love the feeling when I say to myself that I will never have to feel guilty or worried about smoking ever again. I'm running 5K every other day and I've never felt better.

I tend to use 0% in the day but when I have a drink or two break out the 11mg for a stronger TH. I like the flexibility. But I admit that I still feel like a smoker when using my PV outside, I get some unusual looks. Hopefully with time people will realise what they are.

 

[generic mutant]

I would LOVE to see someone get their electronic cigarette approved as a medical device.
It would really strengthen our arguments and help shut up the detractors.

I remember that Intellicig was in the process of trying to get such approval before being bought by British American Tobacco.
I have not heard much about it since then.

There's a good (if dry) presentation from a 'tobacco control' point of view here:

UKNSCC - UK National Smoking Cessation Conference

I'm sensitive to his argument about 'fossilising' the industry. It's undergoing explosive growth, improvement, and diversification. Many people here attest to that variety and exploration aspect having been important subjectively in helping them quit - at the end of the day, it's a great distraction. You feel rubbish and want a cigarette, you can lose yourself for a few hours browsing for a shiny new mod, or learning a new coil build. Never mind the fundamental improvements in technology (and at a guess, they'll still be speeding up for a good few years. This could prove to be an *unbelievably massive* industry, given that 50% or something of people used to smoke in many Western countries, and rates in Asia might even be close to that high today. Vaping nicotine alone is presumably vastly less addictive, so I doubt we'll see anything like 50% of the population vaping, but it could grow pretty blooming big once it's no longer associated with the financial and health cost of smoking).

But still, fossilising certain designs as 'proven safe and effective' isn't intrinsically linked to stopping development. It just might mean that the fossilised designs become outdated quite quickly, giving them limited appeal. For prescriptions, that isn't ideal, but it isn't fatal either.

 

[NT_Pork_Hunt]

Good onya mOOsey for giving the ciggies the flick. (+ 1 for the e beer too btw).

I smoked for 30 yrs before finding the e cig culture through my house mate. Here in Australia vaping is a very small group and has some weird laws to boot. I love it and now wonder why I never got onto it earlier and how I ever smoked ciggies in the first place.

Like everyone else on here, I don't understand the opposition to vaping either.

I guess if I had a very large profitable business (read - tobacco company) that had strict rules and designated areas where you could use my product, I'd put a large dollar investment and other resources into ensuring that my opposition was treated in the same way as my product. A good starting point for me would be to go before a committee and claim my product had no negative health effects and then put out various results of "studies" and other misinformation to taint my competition.

But that could never happen could it......

 

[ccubed]

Hi m00sey and welcome to ECF. Congratulations on being analog free. That is one heck of an accomplishment. There are so many vaping options (and opinions). What I have enjoyed a great deal is that we acknowledge that vaping is not a case of "one size fits all". And what works for someone at the beginning of their vaping journey may not work further along the trail. Which is why it is great to have so many options.

I started pretty simply and have kept it that way. I started with eGo-t upgraded batteries and Kanger MT3S BCC clearos. I've added a couple of Vision Spinners to my gear and everything is still working great for me. Thanks to the encouragement from folks here, I have expanded the number and types of juices I vape to include some very non-tobacco, non-menthol flavors like peach, chocolate chip mint ice cream, mango, strawberry and watermelon.

I agree with you, vaping should be shouted from the rooftops. I talk with my smoking friends about vaping a lot, but don't want to seem pushy. I figure my example will speak louder than my words.

Keep sharing your experience here and out there in the world. Be open to try some new things with regard to vaping (though that also holds true with the rest of life). The folks here have shown me that this journey can be tons of fun and I know it has improved my health by leaps and bounds. And it could not have been done without the support, encouragement and experience of the people in ECF.

Enjoy and namaste.

 

[ric23]

Congrats m00sey!!!

congrats m00sey ... vaping is still new.

How's this for a prediction ... every single smoker in the world will quit cigarettes within 25 years

Vape for the win

And here's for that wish AND win!!!

 

[AegisPrime]

I don't think they're actually being licensed as medicines here any more, I think that plan died.

I think we're waiting for the EU to make its decisions.

Here's a good blog to keep up with what's going on:

The counterfactual

Definitely +1 on the e-beer

Actually, the UK government has stated its intention to regulate e-cigarettes as NRT products with the MHRA being the regulatory body. This is sadly possible since, whilst the EU was defeated in its attempt to classify e-cigs as medical devices, they've left it up to individual member states to classify them as tobacco or as NRT (rather than doing what they should have done, which is introduce an entirely new category of recreational nicotine products).

 

[The Ministry]

Yep, I'm worried about how the UK Government go with this, and even more weary about EU interference.

For me though, I got into E-Cigs thanks to the stuff they sell in the local gas stations. I have to hand praise to them for at least offering an alternative to a cig lookalike. Without all them cheap ego kits hitting the market in the North East I doubt many of us would have noticed "real" vaping.

I bought one and it was shocking, by the way, but the "spark" of an idea -that this can work- was invaluable.

 

[generic mutant]

Actually, the UK government has stated its intention to regulate e-cigarettes as NRT products with the MHRA being the regulatory body. This is sadly possible since, whilst the EU was defeated in its attempt to classify e-cigs as medical devices, they've left it up to individual member states to classify them as tobacco or as NRT (rather than doing what they should have done, which is introduce an entirely new category of recreational nicotine products).

All e-cigarettes or some e-cigarettes? That's the million pound question

 

[The Ministry]

I wish I could vent my thoughts on the UK Government, and more so - the EU stranglehold.



I'm starting to stock up

 

[AegisPrime]

All e-cigarettes or some e-cigarettes? That's the million pound question

All e-cigarettes. Unless something's changed since that House of Lords meeting, the government seemed hell-bent on the MHRA regulating the e-cig market. On the one hand, it does mean that e-cigs won't be taxed like tobacco in the UK (NRTs actually have a lower rate of tax than consumer products) - on the other hand, it means that technically they'll be held to much higher standards (consistent dosing, leak-proof refilling) that the e-cig manufacturers may not actually be able to comply with.

Still, the earliest that this'll happen is 2016 so a lot can change between now and then (including the government) - the EU's TPD isn't set in stone yet either so whilst the situation seems less than ideal, there's a chance the regulators might yet see reason (or not ).

 

[generic mutant]

Yes, that would indeed be very depressing. I still can't see it happening - I think in the next few years there will be explosive growth in the numbers of people quitting smoking using them, in their lightly regulated form, and any proposals to 'rock the boat' will be laughed out of parliament. But then I've been surprised before...

 

[LotusGirl]

I too, tried to quit a couple of years ago with cigalikes. No luck...it just didn't do it for me. This time, I stumbled on true vaping and have not looked back. I am still in shock at how easy it was to not have touched another analog in the 3 or so weeks since I started vaping. Vaping is an amazing solution for smokers such as me that were pack a day-ers for over 25 years.

I am hopeful that the arm of the law and ignorance of the public doesn't make vaping a negative.

 

[matty007]

As other's have said, you're not smoking you're vaping. It's in the name.

If a Doctor asked if I was a non smoker or a smoker I'd say a non smoker. I am simply inhaling water vapour and Nicotine, not smoke and 3999 other harmful chemicals.

I feel exactly the same way, how vaping isn't more popular and praised I will never know. These really are the holy grail of smoking cessation and will (if their adopted properly) save millions of lives. I like to think of myself and all of us here as beta testers. We are in the very early stages of using this product and I honestly believe eventually vaping will take over from smoking. Will be in a LONG time however. Simply because many people get a bad view of E-Cig's from the cheap otc ones that don't work and they don't take them seriously.

Call me silly but I also believe the Government doesn't wan't them to become popular, just think of the amount of tax money they'll be losing from tobacco sales. Money talks.

Same goes for the tobacco companies, they are most probably the ones endorsing these articles in newspapers that say that E-Cig's are MORE harmful than smoking. Surely anyone with any common sense would see that as complete rubbish. How can water vapour be more harmful than smoke and carcinogenic chemicals. That gives people a bad view on them also.

Truth be told, going by serious studies, E-Cig's are next to harmless. And I honestly think they're completely harmless. Nicotine isn't really a harmful chemical in small doses, it's in potatoes. I'd actually goes as far to say that vaping is less harmful than a cup of Coffee. Caffeine can have some very nasty side effects and can cause many conditions if used regularly. As far as I'm aware Nicotine doesn't really have any real side effects apart from maybe slightly elevated blood pressure and narrowing of nerve endings. Both of these are uncommon too.

I just go by how I feel since I've quit smoking. My breathing, smell and taste has severely improved. That tells me all I need to know. rest assured I'll never smoke a cigarette again, why would I when vaping is harmless, tastes so much better and is actually enjoyable. Smoking isn't enjoyable, it's a habit. Vaping is actually enjoyable to do and to many is a hobby.

I honestly believe we are witnessing the very beginnings of a new revolution. Where vaping will be adopted in place of smoking, resulting in millions of lives saved.

Once the ridiculous ignorant public perception towards them has subsided that is.

 

[AegisPrime]

Call me silly but I also believe the Government doesn't wan't them to become popular, just think of the amount of tax money they'll be losing from tobacco sales. Money talks.

Actually, that's the one area where the UK government has surprised me - as NRTs they're going to make very little tax revenue from e-cigs (5% tax I believe - less than the 20% you're paying now) - the downside is that e-cigarettes as we know and love them may not fit the criteria of what the MHRA believes an NRT device should be.

Italy on the other hand has decided that not only are e-cigs tobacco products, that they should be taxed 30% more than tobacco (tobacco = 54% tax, e-cigs = 88% tax)

 

[matty007]

Actually, that's the one area where the UK government has surprised me - as NRTs they're going to make very little tax revenue from e-cigs (5% tax I believe - less than the 20% you're paying now) - the downside is that e-cigarettes as we know and love them may not fit the criteria of what the MHRA believes an NRT device should be.

Italy on the other hand has decided that not only are e-cigs tobacco products, that they should be taxed 30% more than tobacco (tobacco = 54% tax, e-cigs = 88% tax)

Have no illusions, when enough people start using these and the government start losing a vast sum of revenue from tobacco they will take action and apply big taxes. It's easy for them to give this low figure now because compared to real smoking, vaping is still virtually dead. When a good percentage of the population switch to vaping just watch the tax rise. Even if they don't tax the devices themselves they will tax the juice, nicotine base and so on.

They're not going to sit back and lose billions a year. And regardless of what they say, they make a lot more money from tobacco than they spend on Cancer treatment.

No, they'll up the tax. That's if they don't ban them completely for general use first. They already want them banned from public places. Because supposedly they encourage smoking, which is complete rubbish. I don't walk into a supermarket and see a bottle of booze and think, oooh I must drink that.

 

[matty007]

Also how they're not classed as NRT I'll never know. If you're using a product that is putting Nicotine into your body as a way of quitting smoking it IS a NRT. And a lot more effective than the others too.