Feeling like ive stopped...but not stopped?
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Congrats on the switch and best of luck with it! And yes, many of us share your frustration - the craziest news I've heard this week is that Sweden (the EU member-state with the lowest smoking-rate in the world thanks to snus) has been blocking shipments of e-cigarettes into the country - when a nation that's done so much to protect Tobacco Harm Reduction is banning e-cigs I'm just...
Ok, firstly it isn't water vapour - it's mostly PG/VG mist, some water, some food flavourings and maybe small amounts of nicotine (plus whatever else you've got in your lungs that decides to hitch a ride)
Is it harmful? To you, unlikely (and much, much safer than smoking) - to bystanders, very unlikely. But all the same, it does carry (trace?) amounts of nicotine and those flavourings.
Funnily enough, the biggest health risk may be in the flavourings since nicotine in second-hand amounts is likely to have no effect whatsoever. The food-grade flavourings we're inhaling though have never been studied as safe for inhaling which is why more studies (like the current one Dr. Farsalinos is preparing) are necessary.
As a group, it's better for us to accept that this isn't just water vapour - there's already been plenty of (shoddy) press coverage demonizing vaping - if the FDA is saying e-cigs emit chemicals and you tell people it's just water, who do you think they're going to believe? If you tell people what the chemicals are, and why then at least they'll realise you know what you're talking about.
And yes, it's ridiculous - but it's also their right to make that choice - and I'd rather they choose to exclude vaping from their establishment (even if it's based on misconceptions) than have the government make that choice for them. Seriously - read up on the research, and if there's a local bar or pub you like that you'd like to vape in, go see the manager and educate them - whilst you still can, because at some point in the future their right to make their own decision may be taken away from them.
OK I phrased that wrong. It isn't water vapour, I know what juice consists of. However, it may as well be water vapour. Any ingredient in E-Juice is supported by the FDA so I would be shocked if E-Cig's are anything different than completely harmless. I don't even think they're almost harmless, but completely. I have personally spoken to Doctors who have said the same. Everything emits chemicals, but that doesn't mean they're doing you harm. The FDA may say they're emitting chemicals but they're not harmful ones. Propylene Glycol is a mineral oil, it's used in food so I fail to see what harm it could do. The worst effect you'd get is if you were allergic to it. Vegetable Glycerin is just a carbohydrate from Plant oils. It's used in foods, and sugar substitutes, so again I see no reason why it would do you harm.
Nicotine, well we've covered that.
Food Flavourings again are obviosuly consumed by mostly everyone everyday. Like you say they haven't been tested for inhalation but I probally have more chance of winning the lottery jackpot than it damaging your lungs.
I truly believe E-Cig's to be completely harmless, in fact I'd put my months salary on it. The worst it does it probably restrict your airways for a couple of minutes by narrowing the tubes.
I'd be willing to bet that a can of Coke would do you more harm than an E-Cig.
Congrats on the switch and best of luck with it! And yes, many of us share your frustration - the craziest news I've heard this week is that Sweden (the EU member-state with the lowest smoking-rate in the world thanks to snus) has been blocking shipments of e-cigarettes into the country - when a nation that's done so much to protect Tobacco Harm Reduction is banning e-cigs I'm just...
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That's insane. Like you say they are cracking down hard on tobacco. How the hell can they restrict E-Cigs?
Can't wait for the day when these are widely accepted to be harmless.
Diacetyl has already caused a scare since it's harmful to inhale and creates the condition known as 'popcorn lung' - that said, the industry is aware of it, and safety-conscious e-liquid manufacturers will be avoiding it in their products (cinnamaldehyde was another) - other chemicals and flavourings will almost certainly come to light in time as studies are done but I'm of the opinion that any unknown risks from inhaling food-flavourings are almost certainly less than the large, very real risks of inhaling smoke. I believe vaping to be safer but I can't in good conscience declare it safe - for vapers anyway, as far as I'm concerned, second-hand vape is about as harmful as belching
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You know the reason why I know these are harmless?
My Brother has been vaping for about three years now (don't ask me why it's taken me this long to switch, such an idiot). He had a serious lung infection about 4 years ago, has always had bad lungs so needs regular MRI or X-Ray's. When he had it done the Doctor said he could see the damage that smoking had done, he had a lot of damage. The doctor suggested he gave up and suggested an E-Cig. He quit straight way and has vaped ever since. He has had much less lung infections since and has recently been to the hospital for another MRI to evaluate how his lungs are. After having it the doctor immediately remarked how much better his lungs were, and I mean remarkably better. His lung capacity has almost tripled.
To me that is definitive proof that E-Cig's do no harm.
My Brother has been vaping for about three years now (don't ask me why it's taken me this long to switch, such an idiot). He had a serious lung infection about 4 years ago, has always had bad lungs so needs regular MRI or X-Ray's. When he had it done the Doctor said he could see the damage that smoking had done, he had a lot of damage. The doctor suggested he gave up and suggested an E-Cig. He quit straight way and has vaped ever since. He has had much less lung infections since and has recently been to the hospital for another MRI to evaluate how his lungs are. After having it the doctor immediately remarked how much better his lungs were, and I mean remarkably better. His lung capacity has almost tripled.
To me that is definitive proof that E-Cig's do no harm.
I agree with you - the potential health gains are huge and the apparent risks seem minimal - that's not the same as no risk though - but neither is it so great a risk that non-vapers should be concerned (in my opinion) - if more of the public knew the truth about vaping then I think (in the UK at least) it'd be much more widely accepted in bars/clubs - sadly though, since it looks like smoking, many people assume it's just as bad - hence the need for us to educate people (assuming they're willing to listen).
Congratulations.
I had the same experience after 25 years of 2 pack/day smoking.
I don't consider myself a smoker anymore despite the fact that I drag on 24mg nic eJuice all day. ^^
I had the same experience after 25 years of 2 pack/day smoking.
I don't consider myself a smoker anymore despite the fact that I drag on 24mg nic eJuice all day. ^^
I know what you're saying. We can't 100% say that they are harmless but there have been many of these chemicals that people have said that are harmful only to be later said as harmless. And they were fairly rare chemicals. We're talking food flavourings and proteins here. I'm not really interested in hear say about the chemicals and propaganda. I'm more interested in the study of long term use of vaping. That's the only way to say whether they are harmful. We ingest and inhale many chemicals, many that are said to be harmful but that have no effects on the body whatsoever. most of what we consume is harmful in one way or another. Alcohol is a poison after all.
For a three year vaper who previously had atrocious lungs and infections due to smoking who then get's none and 3x lung capacity in three years vaping. Well I'd say that's pretty conclusive evidence. Also, I doubt a lung specialists would recommend a E-Cig if he was even remotely dubious about it's safety.
It's not the harmfulness of the chemicals, we inhale and ingest those everyday. it's the long term effects on the body, and from what I've read and heard about E-Cig's, I can see none.
The first month or two of Vaping I spent more on ECig stuff than I did on cigs but after awhile I lowered my nic level and the cravings stopped so I didn't have to spend as much on everything since I didn't want to smoke much anymore.
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