Finally ordered some mechs, RDA etc

[HecticEnergy]

See, you mentioned about the difference in vape quality using the same tanks on a different battery. Is that simply due to having access to variable watt/volts? I read opinions and sometimes people will say 'this mod hits harder on my tank than that mod does' etc - in my head they're both pumping out the same wattage/volts/coil resistance etc so how can the vape differ?

In relation, I too am so sick of QC, I don't even bother with my nautilus any more. The gurgly wee thing just sits and gathers dust. I've been using an iClear16D the last 2 weeks purely because despite me doing my research, getting x number of recommended tanks and VV/VW batteries etc, a friend I've just converted got an Innokin SLK that came with the 16D, and was getting way better taste out of it, and most importantly way way less hassle from it than I was despite mine costing over 3x more! She's not changed a coil yet in 2 weeks and loves it.

Her husband went back to UK for a week and got himself a nautilus mini, so after reading all the positivity surrounding it I've asked him to bring one over to me here in Germany when he's back on Tuesday, PRAYING I can find some vape heaven that will be a good grab n go tank to rotate with the Kayfun once I start rebuilding. Knowing my luck, it will suck too tho [emoji13][emoji13][emoji13]

I agree about moving at different paces, and definitely budget is important, but now I really value convenience AND performance, so I'm definitely happy to drop a lot more money to get both after thinking this €10 tank will be better than that €10 tank and essentially throwing money away in the learning process for no gains. I still say my mini Novas (my first tanks) are bulletproof and the best of all I own - yet I shop in B&Ms and replacement coils are impossible to find [emoji24]

I love vaping, but I really hate things that don't work as they should. Leaking, gurgling, flooding, burning, dry hits, bad coils etc. I'd never have dreamed of dropping €250 on vape gear 3 months ago, surely now I can find my sweet spot [emoji56]

Lol! Yeah, hopefully you find your sweet spot.

The SiD is a 15w device, so yeah, it has more power. But he's using a 1.6 or 1.8 ohm coil in it at 8.5w. Most stock coils do best at between like 7-8.5 watts. Any lower and it's not worth the vape. Any higher and you could pop the weld (I think most heads now join resistance wire with no resistance wire) or melt the niacrome (are manufactures not using kanthal??)
I think most egos put out 3.5w or so (I don't think he was using a vv ego), and at that he was around 7w. So yeah, more power means more vapor and less Heatup time.

Hit harder is usually a term I see with mechanical mods. All devices have voltage drop, basically the resistance of the battery tube to the atty can cause the vape to be a but more anemic. Copper is more conductive, so there for less resistant, so those concerned with voltage drop usually go that route. Same issue with springs in the button... Magnets give more surface area for the negative connection to be made so it's usually less voltage drop.
That's all based on my understanding. I could be way off base as I haven't done a ton of research on it because I don't really care! my shiz "hits hard" enough for me a few hundredths of an ohm in resistance doesn't make a huge difference in my .5-.8 ohm builds IMO.

Those nautilus mini heads (bvc) should fit your 22mm nautilus. Just saying, maybe call him up and just have him grab a pack of heads instead of the new tank... Save you some money for rebuilding!

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[USMCotaku]

Usually upgrade in tank will make a bigger difference than batteries, excepting in mechs or switching to vv/vw. With mechs the voltage drop (loss between battery output and what reaches your atty) varies from mod to mod....so the same atty will hit different on different mods

 

[HecticEnergy]

Usually upgrade in tank will make a bigger difference than batteries, excepting in mechs or switching to vv/vw. With mechs the voltage drop (loss between battery output and what reaches your atty) varies from mod to mod....so the same atty will hit different on different mods

The guy I sold the SiD to, I found a nautilus mini for $25 for him to try out... "Stick with me kid..." Lol
Debating on giving him that or buying a new rta and selling him my old kayfun.... He favors a low hassle vape, so I'm not sure how he'd take to rebuilding....


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[Acheron44]

Cool thanks for the explanation. Yeah I thought about just getting the coils too, but I actually prefer a smaller tank to change out flavours more often. And it's something new for my collection, lol [emoji13]

I've been reading about voltage drop and copper vs other metals for conductivity etc. it's definitely reserved for further reading, once I can actually wrap a coil [emoji23] Picking up some more supplies in the morning in preparation for the Kayfun arriving. Cotton, torch, bits, voltmeter etc.

Question about the Kayfun (clone) - it comes with 2 pre built coils and wicks. Are these good to go straight off the bat? And are they decent?

 

[HecticEnergy]

Cool thanks for the explanation. Yeah I thought about just getting the coils too, but I actually prefer a smaller tank to change out flavours more often. And it's something new for my collection, lol [emoji13]

I've been reading about voltage drop and copper vs other metals for conductivity etc. it's definitely reserved for further reading, once I can actually wrap a coil [emoji23] Picking up some more supplies in the morning in preparation for the Kayfun arriving. Cotton, torch, bits, voltmeter etc.

Question about the Kayfun (clone) - it comes with 2 pre built coils and wicks. Are these good to go straight off the bat? And are they decent?

Don't use prebuilt coils. It's mystery wire, and you can probably do much better!
Wash your kayfun before you use it! I wash all my new stuff: put it in a Tupperware container with HOT water and dawn dish soap. Stir it around a bit every so often. I let it sit for 15 minutes or so, then take a bottle brush to everything. Rinse well with hot water.

A digital multi meter would be a good purchase. (Maybe that's what you meant by voltmeter...)

You shouldn't need drill bits if you get your coiling jig. I don't use a jig. I have no interest in one either... Just one more thing I have to screw fricken wire to... No thanks.

Cotton - try some of that Japanese stuff if you can get your hands on it. If not go with unbleached organic.

I personally don't use a torch. I find it's easier just to wind the coil, attach it to the deck and fire it to tighten the wraps. (Always check ohms before firing, another reason I build on APV) Then I put what ever I used to wrap the coil back into the coil and pull the wraps tight by yanking up on the coil while it's tightly fastened to the deck. Check for hotspots one more time then wick and juice. Test fire and check for vapor. Put the chimney on and test fire, check for vapor. Some times the build can short on the chimney, better to find out here than after you have a tank of juice around it.....
Everyone has a different approach, and it you want to play with pre torching coils go for it! Just my :2cents:

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[USMCotaku]

Cool thanks for the explanation. Yeah I thought about just getting the coils too, but I actually prefer a smaller tank to change out flavours more often. And it's something new for my collection, lol [emoji13]

I've been reading about voltage drop and copper vs other metals for conductivity etc. it's definitely reserved for further reading, once I can actually wrap a coil [emoji23] Picking up some more supplies in the morning in preparation for the Kayfun arriving. Cotton, torch, bits, voltmeter etc.

Question about the Kayfun (clone) - it comes with 2 pre built coils and wicks. Are these good to go straight off the bat? And are they decent?

those premade coils are garbage. With enough research your very first coil will probably be better then those.

 

[Acheron44]

Everyone seems to have different techniques, I guess I gotta see what works for me, but these building tips are definitely useful and welcomed [emoji3]
Haha, I just added the jig to get up to the free shipping amount and it seemed useful for a noob. It'll probably get relegated to 'noob pile' once I know the deal [emoji23]

Was gonna go for surgical cotton from a pharmacy. Hopefully it's ok to use also.

 

[Acheron44]

those premade coils are garbage. With enough research your very first coil will probably be better then those.

Ah, that's really good to know! I think I'd have thrown my toys out the pram in exasperation if I wasn't happy with a kayfun upon first trial! [emoji23]

 

[HecticEnergy]

Pram?
If your first builds don't turn out good on the kayfun, don't get discouraged... The kayfun has to be wicked just right to get to vape nirvana. It's not as tempermental as the other tanks I've built, but RDAs are definitely more forgiving.


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[Acheron44]

Ah yeah, pram = stroller [emoji2] (British English[emoji23])

Cool. I'm off work on Wednesday, I sense it's gonna be a full day of building trial and error!

 

[HecticEnergy]

A good way to rebuild your kayfun and test the builds is to pop the chimney on and use it as a dripper... You can't test proper wicking, but it will give you a good idea of how your coil is performing. So I've heard... Never tried it myself!


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[Acheron44]

Good idea!
I've also got the Tobh clone coming, have you used it before?

 

[HecticEnergy]

Yup. It's a good little fog machine. Must be built in dual coil mode (I guess you could block off one side with tape or something.... But it's intended for clouds)
Not the easiest to build, but not terrible!


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[Acheron44]

Block off one side if building just single coils in it, yeah?
Don't fancy blocking off, but I'll keep it aside till I'm competent enough to attempt a dual coil setup.

 

[HecticEnergy]

Block off one side if building just single coils in it, yeah?
Don't fancy blocking off, but I'll keep it aside till I'm competent enough to attempt a dual coil setup.

Yeah.
Dual coils aren't difficult. Just two identical (in resistance) coils.


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[Acheron44]

I know I'll end up asking this in future so may as well ask now. What's an acceptable amount of give in matching coil resistance in a dual coil setup? Like, if one coil is 1.0 and the other turns out at 1.1, is that alright?

 

[Acheron44]

For example [emoji677]
I've not researched dual coil setups yet so I just picked a random number for examples sake.

 

[HecticEnergy]

Dual coils:
Same number of wraps around the same rod.
When you are setting your coils they need to glow evenly from the middle (micro coils), and with dual coils they should heat up simultaneously.

If you build two 1 ohm coils and install them in parallel (dual coils) your resistance of that build ( both coils) is now .5 ohms. As a quad coil setup it's .25 ohms.
Just an FYI. Be safe for your batteries. I'm usually closer to .8 for overall resistance on my dual coil builds. For me, flavor diminishes after that in the tobh.


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[HecticEnergy]

I guess that doesn't answer your question... I'm not sure where the margins of error ends, I don't meter individual coils.


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[Acheron44]

No worries, really appreciate you taking the time to help me out with typical noob questions [emoji56]
Regarding batteries, I'm definitely only going to use them to run the kayfun at over 1.0, and get proper vtc5s for the Tobh if I go lower. There's so much to batteries, I had no idea. Coming from an mvp2, you just don't need to think about it.