First time I've seen this...thoughts?

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As for that webpage, well .....

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I always find it best to read the "assumptions" listed in any study, before deciding what I think of the study.
This particular study lists very clearly that anything not "government regulated" is a very, very bad thing.
This particular study lists very clearly that DIY in making gear and mixing e-juice is a very, very bad thing.

Nothing further I need to read in this study, yawn.
 
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Notice that they talk about PG being in deicer and anti-freeze too. Anybody legitimately doing these types of studies knows that the reason they use PG in those applications is because it's nontoxic and was used to replace a toxin

This is a really good example of how "stuff" can be twisted to mean whatever the presenter wants it to mean.
The real study being referenced was all about control and regulation and how to prevent "nasty free thinking people" (my sum up of their attitude ) from doing stuff to and with e-cigs.
All research and information came from that perspective. For example one item researched was you tube videos where people could add alcohol and whatever else they wanted to the e-juice. This totally made the researchers aghast and required the demand that regulations on e-cigs be formulated that prevent "alteration" of acceptable, well regulated liquids. Because no study on the safety of the liquid and vapor could be acceptable unless the government could ensure that there was no way for the liquid and vapor to be altered by the end user. Also, the worst possible temperatures and mixtures must be assumed as standard, if the end user could modify the gear to change temperatures and density of the aerosol. This is the entire basis of their study and conclusions that vaping can never be considered safe for the user or innocent bystanders.


The reporter was the one with the agenda who added the most negative presentation of "alternative" uses of the base liquids , braiding that into the conclusions of the study to justify their position. Which had mostly nothing what so ever to do with the actual study being used - because they knew that most people wouldn't read the study they were using as ammunition, and most of those that did wouldn't know how to decipher the agenda and presentation of the study.

So, we have a study by control freaks twisted and intermixed with pseudo intellectual, and carefully selected chemical presentation to protect the existing money and power bureaucracy .
 

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there is no way i would vape anything but organic/natural juices.. there is simply no telling what some companies are putting in their juices and what effect it has on your health or lungs. heck, when i simply look at the color of some of the juices out there i cringe, let alone the other possible, artificial/chemical ingredients. Why take the chance?
 

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I'd suggest reading the actual study, not the news article. You might be surprised at how much the article misinterpreted.
Everything I pointed out was from the study. I didn't even bother with the article itself. The fact that it was in a paper for farmers with a vested interest in BT told me all I needed to know there
 

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The article makes assumptions, a method regarded by the scientific community as "LAZY"

The article is a collection of tid bits from many other sources, There is no actual testing being done by the authors.

The bias undertones to the language of this paper state it's true intention.

Granted some regulation as to juices purity and ingredients may be necessary, but this is already done by the market, people know bad juice when they use it.

The worst part is that people will see " German Cancer Research Center" and believe this is credible, such as the blogger who posted it.

The damage is done, when these articles are posted using sub-standard research techniques and outdated studies, people will only read the headline and go "see, told ya so" and light up a stinky for dramatic effect.

We need a massive PR campaign from leading vendors in the market and CASAA, a psa if you will, stating the facts of their recent study.

I am glad to see the comments to that article posting.
 
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