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Five Pawns now has a $38 for a 30ml bottle of juice
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A-ha! It all makes sense now. The artist formerly known as Jay-Z is now labeling him self as "Jay Z." I wondered where the hyphen went. It will live in Mann DK-TAB!
AV, that is so French of you! I like you dude. Honestly I don't give a rip what you, they, or anybody wants to vape or what they want to pay for it. So more power to ya. But don't get in my face like I'm on welfare if I think 5p's prices are absurd, because that's just not the case. It's about principle for me. It's good juice yeah but NOT a superior product. And the fact that its aged in oak barrels is just retarted. It's not alcohol and there is no chemical reaction to be had. Just a marketing scheme, one of many. Just sayin.
Anyways I see you've spent a lot of time defending your pov, and I just wanted to apologize if I contributed to your feeling attacked. That wasn't my intention. Just wanted to share a different way of looking at it. But we can agree to disagree.
Fact is, my employer reimburses me up to $500 a year for smoking cessation. (For me and the hubs) I could get all the pawns and write them off. I STILL won't buy from them because imho they are greedy scheming .......s lol. I'd rather support the smaller artisan crafters who aren't looking to achieve these ginormous profit margins. Greed sucks and I won't be party to it if I can avoid it.
So that's where I'm coming from. But you can buy it, vape it, love it, and that's ok too. So no hate here. But if you dis my mac and cheese again that could change.
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I like that you like me, but no, I'm gonna dis your mac and cheese, processed food is disgusting!!! Demand real food, your .... cheeks will thank you. Cheese is milk. If I said I had some milk for you to drink that I left sitting on a shelf for year, but I put some unnatural preservatives in it so it wouldn't kill you so it's cool, would you drink it?
B]A 1997 Bottle of Cardinale Proprietary Red Wine costs about 11$ a OZ[/B].
1997 Cardinale (91% Cabernet Sauvignon and 9% Merlot, of which 79% of the grapes came from Napa and 21% from Sonoma)aged 22 months in 100% new French oak before being bottled unfiltered. This wine's vineyard sources include Rutherford, To-Kalon, Mt. Veeder, and Keyes Vineyard on Howell Mountain. The wine's opaque purple color is accompanied by a glorious nose of licorice, cassis, lead pencil, and minerals. Sweet, with a terrific attack displaying stupendous ripeness, full-bodied richness, and a natural texture with a super-concentrated mid-palate and finish, this is a star of the vintage. It is capable of evolving for 20-25 years
With E-Liquid containing a main ingrediant of PG/VG , Readily available, pennies an ounce in bulk purchase. 38$ an ounce becomes a price for those that believe unknown magic goes into the possible ways of pulling any flavor. I love my e liquid, and I defend it when i must, but i think this particular price, is testing what the limits are. As far as the unnatural arguement, most here where previously smokers, nothing natural about that, nor is inhaling anything but air.
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Visuals play a huge part in marketing a product, a study was done where people compared 2 wines. One with a sideways label and 6$ price tag, the other with a fancy label and 20$ price tag. Every participant favored the wine with the fancy label and high price tag .
In the end the researcher revealed both wines were from the same Box of cheap wine. If you are unaware of what you are buying - paying more tricks your brains to give you higher gratification. So in its defense, the huge tax is worth it - if you believe in the product, its worth whatever your willing to pay.
1997 Cardinale (91% Cabernet Sauvignon and 9% Merlot, of which 79% of the grapes came from Napa and 21% from Sonoma)aged 22 months in 100% new French oak before being bottled unfiltered. This wine's vineyard sources include Rutherford, To-Kalon, Mt. Veeder, and Keyes Vineyard on Howell Mountain. The wine's opaque purple color is accompanied by a glorious nose of licorice, cassis, lead pencil, and minerals. Sweet, with a terrific attack displaying stupendous ripeness, full-bodied richness, and a natural texture with a super-concentrated mid-palate and finish, this is a star of the vintage. It is capable of evolving for 20-25 years
With E-Liquid containing a main ingrediant of PG/VG , Readily available, pennies an ounce in bulk purchase. 38$ an ounce becomes a price for those that believe unknown magic goes into the possible ways of pulling any flavor. I love my e liquid, and I defend it when i must, but i think this particular price, is testing what the limits are. As far as the unnatural arguement, most here where previously smokers, nothing natural about that, nor is inhaling anything but air.
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Visuals play a huge part in marketing a product, a study was done where people compared 2 wines. One with a sideways label and 6$ price tag, the other with a fancy label and 20$ price tag. Every participant favored the wine with the fancy label and high price tag .
In the end the researcher revealed both wines were from the same Box of cheap wine. If you are unaware of what you are buying - paying more tricks your brains to give you higher gratification. So in its defense, the huge tax is worth it - if you believe in the product, its worth whatever your willing to pay.
He's a branding/marketing guy, and that's what you're paying for. Aged in an oak barrel? That makes no sense at all for ejuice. Something less viscous and more volatile, like whisky or wine (which are stored in them for years) actually gets flavor from that, but not PG and VG, especially in the 1 month steeping time. I tried all their flavors at a local B&M and they were decent and somewhat different than others I've had, but I wouldn't call them outstanding or flavorful. I'm generally pretty happy with cheap vendors, like MBV, because I can try a lot of different things, mix some things, and add flavor shots for something stronger, or something like HHV when I want something a bit more finely crafted... but to spend that much on something that's really not that special seems a waste. I wouldn't even buy it at 1/4 the price.
Wow, this thread was an odd read for me. I can see people having personal reasons to never pay over a dollar per ml; started vaping to save money, have a set-up that sucks up 10+ ml a day, are happy with the current juices they buy for less, and so on. I don't see why people are upset that there's juice available for the higher price. And to call people that are interested in those juices dumb is just a mean attitude to have.
I like seeing these high-end juices available. An expanding ejuice market is awesome for someone like me who makes the juice the main part of my hobby, it's not like the cheaper options are disappearing. I can still get amazing juices at around 50 cents a ml, and if I want to splurge once and a while I'm willing to, as long as it offers me a new experience.
As for the attitude "well I can make my own juice for only ________".. I can also eat a meal with a 20 cent packet of ramen noodles, but I also like to eat steak on occasion. For me vaping juice is the hobby, and vaping the same commercial flavors would make it a dull one for me. I didn't get into vaping to save money, and juices that cost a buck and a half per ml is still cheaper than my smoking was. Since vaping is a hobby I'm willing to pay even more than I did for cigs. I vape 40+ flavors at a time, a 30ml bottle in my rotation lasts me a long time. A few expensive juices on hand would fit into my budget. They better be pretty damn good to reorder though.
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I like seeing these high-end juices available. An expanding ejuice market is awesome for someone like me who makes the juice the main part of my hobby, it's not like the cheaper options are disappearing. I can still get amazing juices at around 50 cents a ml, and if I want to splurge once and a while I'm willing to, as long as it offers me a new experience.
As for the attitude "well I can make my own juice for only ________".. I can also eat a meal with a 20 cent packet of ramen noodles, but I also like to eat steak on occasion. For me vaping juice is the hobby, and vaping the same commercial flavors would make it a dull one for me. I didn't get into vaping to save money, and juices that cost a buck and a half per ml is still cheaper than my smoking was. Since vaping is a hobby I'm willing to pay even more than I did for cigs. I vape 40+ flavors at a time, a 30ml bottle in my rotation lasts me a long time. A few expensive juices on hand would fit into my budget. They better be pretty damn good to reorder though.
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It was just a matter of time till someone came up with a good aged eliquid. As far as I am concerned, you probably get what you pay for. Dont like rich expensive liquors , then dont buy, your pallet is not worth it. I myself like quality items and sometimes its worth paying someone else to do it better than you. I am willing to pay that price after having tried to do it better myself anf having failed.
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Why does it have to be like that? Can't you agree to disagree? Man this just ain't working out. Friggin French people and their attitudes. With all their little fresh milk and blah blah. I'm AMERICAN dammit. I ain't got time for that!
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I believe that....not because they are kind hearted fellows but because it gets them more money.....
with a lot of industries you are required to sign a contract to carry product....you break anything contained in the contract and they drop you as an account.
there is a very very marketed brand of cosmetics that requires that you purchase ALL monthly deals, must have minimum number in inventory at all times, a monthly minimum order, AND include their name in all marketing/advertising, that you are also required to show proof of (that the proprietor and the proprietor alone pays for).......you fail to meet those requirements, they drop you...
there is a difference between undercutting and competition.......in this scenario having a fixed price...everyone wins...especially since based on their marketing background/business model i am betting the wholesale discount is 25% or less.....25% of $30 is a more than 40% of 15...
i think the "limiting growth" line is just that...a line.....i think it is to increase hype....the most sought after liquids and mods here on ECF (and elsewhere) are the ones that folks can't get.....and are usually the most expensive....
i've tried 5pawns....all of them (except the new one...which sounds interesting) and didn't really notice anything special other than the fact that Queenside has something in it that didn't agree with me at all...maybe one of the "up to ten different ingredients in one 30ml bottle which is what makes us both complex and unique."? *shrug*
Damit, for the price of $38 for a 30ml i would never quit smoking.
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How is this aging process, in oak barrels, any different from this vendor, who is also expensive and I hear very well regarded:
The Cellar
Is there something I don't know or am missing?
I'm not by any means supporting 5 Pawns, but, I don't get this statement. Yes, the bases are pg/vg. But, it's the additives/flavorings that make the juice, right? And those vary broadly across vendors, I am told, and I can tell the difference in the same flavor of one vendor as compared to another. Something is different that makes one juice better, much better in some cases. You are also paying for skill, the skill to create those juices in such a way as to make a juice that provides a great vaping experience. It is the packaging too that contributes to that experience. All these are you paying for. Maybe their juice isn't that great, I don't know, but if you make a cherry juice from cherry syrup it's going to be totally different than real fruit cherry extraction juice. That takes time, and equipment, and the facilities to do it, and a mixologist who knows what they are doing. So you pay.
It's nonsense is what it is. If you'd like to understand nonsense, I'm afraid I can't help you.
I've tried gambit and grandmaster. Liked and re ordered grandmaster, found the gambit to be just to rich to really enjoy. I will try the other liquids, and yes I would try the reserve if it becomes available online. I can't understand getting upset about the pricing. Either you are willing to pay it or not, it's that simple. To me they are different than anything else I currently vape and I like having some on hand. One more thing, someone pointed out that HOL has a line of liquids aged in barrels. I think if you look up the reviews people say they can taste a difference, whether fact or not I can't say.
I taste the difference in the two HoL lines of the same liquid, but that doesn't mean much more than the ink and paper used to write this post with...
The HoL line that isn't the "reserve" wasn't very flavorful at all, whereas the Reserve line had more of an aged woody flavor YMMV.
The HoL line that isn't the "reserve" wasn't very flavorful at all, whereas the Reserve line had more of an aged woody flavor YMMV.
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It's wild to me that they did this, coming from a craft beer background I had already done the research on barrels to do something similar.
Are the barrels cheap? No
Does it justify a $38 price tag? No
I believe part of what makes an eliquid company great is the passionate person/persons behind it.
I watched a 20min interview with the 5pawns owner. While he held a nice mod in his hands for the entire interview, not once did I see him take a toot.
We are all vapers, if your standing with mod in hand talking about eliquid, chances are you are going to take multiple toots.
To me it just showed that the owner (who is obviously a marketing genius) is in it for the $. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
Simple fact is advertising is expensive and they have spared no cost in doing it.
It's a niche end of the market and they are being successful in it.
A lot of times the pretty bottle company's have to charge more because they will not be getting the repeat buyers, be it that the juice really isn't as good as the hype or the simple fact that if you have money or not it's not a reasonable price for an ADV.
I have noticed that most who buy or have bought 5p are not using it as an ADV but rather like a fine cigar used once in awhile. I believe that this is the angle that 5p was going for so I say job well done.
Are the barrels cheap? No
Does it justify a $38 price tag? No
I believe part of what makes an eliquid company great is the passionate person/persons behind it.
I watched a 20min interview with the 5pawns owner. While he held a nice mod in his hands for the entire interview, not once did I see him take a toot.
We are all vapers, if your standing with mod in hand talking about eliquid, chances are you are going to take multiple toots.
To me it just showed that the owner (who is obviously a marketing genius) is in it for the $. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
Simple fact is advertising is expensive and they have spared no cost in doing it.
It's a niche end of the market and they are being successful in it.
A lot of times the pretty bottle company's have to charge more because they will not be getting the repeat buyers, be it that the juice really isn't as good as the hype or the simple fact that if you have money or not it's not a reasonable price for an ADV.
I have noticed that most who buy or have bought 5p are not using it as an ADV but rather like a fine cigar used once in awhile. I believe that this is the angle that 5p was going for so I say job well done.
It's good liquid. Not an all day vape, this coming from a chain-vaper. I didn't watch the video you speak of, but it's interesting the owner didn't vape during it. Kinda like a tattoo artist with bare skin, makes me a little leery.
I've vaped with him, including trying several liquids from other companies. I can assure you that he actually vapes and enjoys it. Several of the people at Five Pawns are pretty hardcore juice enthusiasts, constantly buying bottles from dozens of companies.
And of course he's in business for the money. I'm unaware of e-liquid companies that do not have that goal.
In a galaxy far, far away in a time long, long ago, I sold time as a tarot reader. Mostly it was just for fun, and people understood that and found me cheaper than a therapist.
However, when I would get too busy for my comfort level, I would raise my prices by 25-50% (and only a few regular clients got the old price because they'd been with me since the beginning.) The interesting thing was that I still made about the same amount of money (some weeks a little less than previous average, some weeks more, but it averaged out) for less work.
I had to deal with less clients and I got the same amount of work. Whenever there was a week where I had extra free time, or perhaps less appointments for whatever reason, I would plan a special to bring in new clients to make them my future long term regulars.
It really is a stratagem that works in the sales-world. I'm not sure why that's so hard to believe.
Was this the top guy being dickish on reddit or was that another company?
I don't really have an issue buying from a company unless they're a vulnerable-male-appendage to me personally.
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