Wow, I use flavorwest at 2-10%. I would gag or taste nothing with what you guys are recommending lol.
Flavor West DIY flavor review
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Some of FW need to be mixed higher than the standard 10%.I did not say all of them had to be mixed that high,but there are a few that do.Likewise,there are the few of FW brand that also need to mixed at a much lower %,around 1%-2%,maybe lower.
Taste and vaping are all subjective to what an individual will/will not like.While i find something might taste better at a much lower %,another might like at a much higher %.
This is really pissing me off. I made a handful of great DIY flavors using MBV and Flavorfog (using strictly FW flavorants), so I decided to order some more flavorants but from FW directly. None of my recipes work anymore because the %s don't match up. A lot of my flavorants were 25-35% from MBV/FF, but I'm finding in a lot of cases from FW directly I need anywhere from 5-20% (some even as low as 2%). I am thoroughly convinced that MBV/FF dilute their flavorants to turn a quick buck, and it hurts people like me who test flavors at MBV/FF and then order large qty. from FlavorWest directly. Here's a list of flavorants I'm testing %s of and will update this post as I find what I think works best for each.
Banana -
Cinnamon Roll - 15%
Graham Cracker -
Sugar Cookie - 11%
Coumarin Pipe tobacco - 7%
Eggnog - 2%
Vanilla Custard -
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream -
Swiss Cherry -
Honey -
Brown Sugar -
Caramel Candy -
Gingerbread -
Coconut -
Pie Crust -
If any of you know good %s for those using FW flavors directly from FlavorWest, I would immensely appreciate it if you guys could chime in and say which ones you've tried and if they were any good. I've been working for about two weeks now trying to remake my flavors and it's becoming a disaster in the making. Here's my method:
1. Grab an empty 30mL bottle
2. Put 0.1mL flavorant in it
3. Put 9.9mL PG/VG in it
4. Mix the ever loving crap out of it
5. Test it in a dripper
6. If it's too weak, clean or dryburn the dripper, add 0.1mL more flavorant in it, do 4, 5, and 6 again
7. If it tastes good, round to nearest 0.25%, make a new bottle, and test it.
8. If it tastes good, leave it for 24hr and retest it.
9. If it tastes good, you have your %.
The algorithm used for determining the actual % is roughly:
n = # of times you put 0.1mL flavorant in it
p = % flavorant
p = ((n/10)/((n/10)-9.9))
So the %s you are testing are roughly:
1%, 1.98%, 2.94%, 3.88%, 4.81%, 5.71%, ...
It's not exactly 1%, 2%, 3%, ... but it's close enough, and you do test strict integer percents after rounding to closest 0.25%.
If any of you know any of the %s from my list above, you would be a literal rockstar to post them. This is such a headache and at this point I'm half considering just giving up and selling my flavorants.
Banana -
Cinnamon Roll - 15%
Graham Cracker -
Sugar Cookie - 11%
Coumarin Pipe tobacco - 7%
Eggnog - 2%
Vanilla Custard -
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream -
Swiss Cherry -
Honey -
Brown Sugar -
Caramel Candy -
Gingerbread -
Coconut -
Pie Crust -
If any of you know good %s for those using FW flavors directly from FlavorWest, I would immensely appreciate it if you guys could chime in and say which ones you've tried and if they were any good. I've been working for about two weeks now trying to remake my flavors and it's becoming a disaster in the making. Here's my method:
1. Grab an empty 30mL bottle
2. Put 0.1mL flavorant in it
3. Put 9.9mL PG/VG in it
4. Mix the ever loving crap out of it
5. Test it in a dripper
6. If it's too weak, clean or dryburn the dripper, add 0.1mL more flavorant in it, do 4, 5, and 6 again
7. If it tastes good, round to nearest 0.25%, make a new bottle, and test it.
8. If it tastes good, leave it for 24hr and retest it.
9. If it tastes good, you have your %.
The algorithm used for determining the actual % is roughly:
n = # of times you put 0.1mL flavorant in it
p = % flavorant
p = ((n/10)/((n/10)-9.9))
So the %s you are testing are roughly:
1%, 1.98%, 2.94%, 3.88%, 4.81%, 5.71%, ...
It's not exactly 1%, 2%, 3%, ... but it's close enough, and you do test strict integer percents after rounding to closest 0.25%.
If any of you know any of the %s from my list above, you would be a literal rockstar to post them. This is such a headache and at this point I'm half considering just giving up and selling my flavorants.
I have been vaping FW Vanilla Custard now for a few weeks and it is best to me at 15%.
I have not used any of the other flavors you have posted besides Sugar Cookie-8% and Coumarin Pipe-same as yours
EDIT: I have also gone as high as 35% with the Vanilla Custard and it was stellar(that first two days).After three days of steeping though,my mouth almost glued shut because of it's sweet taste and took it back to 15% and stayed there.
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This is what I don't get: a lot of people say the exact same as you but I don't see it for myself. In virtually all cases, MBV/FF was at the bare minimum 20% to taste anything (excl. stuff like Coumarin), and generally taste good to go at 25-35%, but now using FW directly I can taste things as low as 1% and in the cases I've found so far, 5-15% is ideal.
I'm really not complaining about the %s themselves (if actual is 15% and expected is 30%, it means I have enough flavorant to make twice as much), I'm complaining that MBV/FF dilutes their flavors in the first place.
Maybe I'm completely wrong. I don't like to make accusations like this at all, but the trend I'm finding is that they do indeed dilute or water down.
i would caution the attempt at "discovering" MBV's intention. i buy juices from MBV, then hit up FW for the ones that i like. i get a little arrrrrrg at the flavors that i can't get from FW, but because i don't have the inclination to test this or that, i like the fact that i can guess roughly 15% for their flavors. i check the chart and the usually go 18% because i am heavy on vg. it makes it simple for me.
for FW
dulce de lech 18% love the crap out of it, my favorite vape
cinnamon roll 18% seems about right.
bananas gone nuts 18%
whipped cream 16% might be a little high, but it gives wicked, thick, lucious clouds of vapor!
vanilla cup cake 16% outrageous! (but not in a ptank, in a dripper)
got a bunch steeping at 16-18%
do have a problem with root beer. tried 15, 20, 25%, still not root beer.
i'm thinking of buy some pv, and then diluting until i have flavor.i mix about 20%pg, 80%vg and do a hot water bath 3 or 4 times for each batch. most of the time i did 4 juices at once.
i have some better drippers coming, so maybe i'll alter those. i also have a ton of juice made, so everything is steeping longer. that might allow me to reduce flavoring.
but i admit that i wished i could find a source where i could use the same % on everything. males DIYing a snap instead of work! ymmv.
I didn't try those flavors, because i like more the FW fruity ones,
but from the German spreadsheet below,
the average percentage recommended for some of FW flavors you've listed are :
Banana - 13%
Cinnamon Roll - 15%
Vanilla Custard - 15%
Swiss Cherry - 14%
Caramel Candy - 15%
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...hQ6Fu8HdEwwR2dLRUJlVjlabEN1NG1ucktuUVE&gid=26
the rest I would try from 10-15% as this seem to work with the most,
good luck
I really don't mean to come across as saying MBV/FF is bad; if you need small amounts of flavorant, they are great. I'm just very upset that I had an expectation of consistency and didn't get it. I don't think this is an uncommon assertion, however; some of the first posts in this thread make mention of %s being different from MBV and manufac.
How did the Eggnog taste because i love that flavor and the only one i have had on hand to make is a 30ml bottle of LA oils Eggnog(did not read as oils in the description when purchased from ECX).This brand flavoring of Eggnog is a bit iffy could go either way with liking/disliking.
On a 0.6ohm IGO-L coil using GG wick in a Nemesis, it's great.
10mL bottle, 30/70, 10mg/mL
0.2mL FW Eggnog
1mL 100mg/mL VG nic
5.86mL VG
2.94mL PG
0 sweetener
For what it's worth, it even tastes great at 1%. I find 1.5-2% works the best. Anything higher than 3% is floral. It tastes 1:1 of eggnog with cinnamon, nutmeg, and cream.
100% correct
You're only completely wrong about them diluting. I like your testing and adding process.
12.5% in 18mg 70/30 - works in my 75+ MBV/FW flavors
Exact same % in my 10+ flavors that I have from both.
The only one I've tried that didn't work was Sweet Tarts, but I couldn't find any % that worked in
Different PG/VG ratios require different % of flavoring.
It would help if folks include their mixing ratios in their posts.
BTW -
James informed us in the suppliers' thread that MBV doesn't use FW for butter/cream flavors anymore.
They switched their supplier for those flavors in June or July.
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I will buy the small bottles from MBV to see if it's a flavor I like. If I like it I order the larger bottles from FW. I honestly think part of the problem is that customers and MBV both may be guilty of not shaking the flavoring very well before transferring to smaller bottles. I've had some differences in the finished juice from MBV over time and believe it may be due to the larger flavor containers not be uniform and need a good shaking before use. I shake all the FW bottles before each use and my finished juice has been more consistent. Just my opinion.
I'm sorry, but was this sarcasm? I know the process isn't entirely accurate, but it is accurate within a certain degree I find credible.
FWIW, I use strictly 30/70. I came to my conclusion really by testing banana, cinnamon roll, coumarin pipe tobacco, and a couple others. I know the PG/VG ratio is different, but I'm having a hard time believing a ratio change can result in half as much flavorant being used to get the same result (eg. 35% vs. 15%).
As I test more flavors I'll come to a better conclusion, but as it stands right now, the %s don't make sense to me when comparing the two. Maybe I'm entirely wrong (as you claim), and I'm ready to eat my words if I am, but until further testing I'm standing by my assertion pending more research.
Not sarcastic. Starting at 10% and adding a percent per try is a good process.
Everyone has different tastes and most people will differ.
Starting low and building up is a good trial/error process.
Well, I'm starting at 1%, then going to 1.98%, then 2.94%, etc. My algorithm was wrong (was supposed to be % = n/n+9.9).
Try starting at 10% and adding a percent per try. Save yourself a few days.
YMMV
YMMV
Hi, I have not tested allot with flavors, but FW is what I like the most.
This is my daily mix;
8% - West Coumarin Pipe Tobacco Flavor
8% - Flavor West Havana Tobacco Flavor
8% - Flavor West Maple Rum Tobacco Flavor
My girl will add a few drops of fruit flavors that taste good, but I could not vape fruit all day, lol
This is 50/50 with around 12 to 18 mg/ml
I get my DIY supply's from NicVape.
This mix kinda taste like Kalamazoo Vapor Shop's OMFG E-Liquid
This is my daily mix;
8% - West Coumarin Pipe Tobacco Flavor
8% - Flavor West Havana Tobacco Flavor
8% - Flavor West Maple Rum Tobacco Flavor
My girl will add a few drops of fruit flavors that taste good, but I could not vape fruit all day, lol
This is 50/50 with around 12 to 18 mg/ml
I get my DIY supply's from NicVape.
This mix kinda taste like Kalamazoo Vapor Shop's OMFG E-Liquid
Hi folks, just wondering if any one has any experience with the FW clove. A friend of mine wants me to mix some for her and I was wondering what people are mixing it at. It would seem like one of those flavors that doesn't need to go very high %. Never could stand the taste of clove myself
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