Quick DIY question

[Bryan lord]

I'm new to DIY so I bought a big bottle of ore mix 18mg nic. I see most people using TFA flavors recommending 1-7% but on mt baker vapor they suggest up to 30% for their flavors. It has me confused, can someone explain the difference?
Thanks.

 

[DeeDee1234]

Flavor percentages are the hardest thing for new dyi artist to get. There is no rule. Each flavor from each company is different. Also, you will use the same flavor in different ways at different percentages to achieve the results you want. Check the flavor threads for a starting point on each flavor. Use your sense of smell and taste to guide you. Also remember to start LOW and move up. It's easier to add than subtract.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm new to DIY so I bought a big bottle of ore mix 18mg nic. I see most people using TFA flavors recommending 1-7% but on mt baker vapor they suggest up to 30% for their flavors. It has me confused, can someone explain the difference?
Thanks.

DIY Flavorings come in a Varity of Concentrations. If one is Very Concentrated, 2 or 3% may be enough. But another Brand which is Less Concentrated might need 25%.

It's a Factor of How Strong you want you e-liquids Also. I like Strong, Bold Favors. For all but TPA and FlaorArt Tobacco flavors, I use between 10 and 15% Flavoring.

 

[Hoosier]

+1 to everything DeeDee1234 typed.

Also, more flavoring does not always mean more flavor. Thus the reasoning/subject for my first blog...

 

[DeeDee1234]

+1 to everything DeeDee1234 typed.

Also, more flavoring does not always mean more flavor. Thus the reasoning/subject for my first blog...

That's a hard concept to grasp,until you see it for yourself and start thing maybe you didn't add 5% more like you thought you did. Then you remember Hoosiers rule and you get it!

Do yourself a favor and read hooiser flavoring blogs.. Twice

 

[Bryan lord]

Link to blog ? I will read it 3 times.

 

[DeeDee1234]

E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

 

[zoiDman]

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Also, more flavoring does not always mean more flavor. ...

This was something I had to learn the Hard Way. There does seem to be a Tipping Point where adding More Flavoring just induces a Strong Chemical Overtone. Not more Flavor.

I also have found that the Same thing can happen with Some Sweeteners.

 

[DeeDee1234]

This was something I had to learn the Hard Way. There does seem to be a Tipping Point where adding More Flavoring just induces a Strong Chemical Overtone. Not more Flavor.

I also have found that the Same thing can happen with Some Sweeteners.

Me too.. I keep adding strawberry, and more strawberry and more then what the heck! I thought I added more...fubar

 

[Moogle]

Also your vaping device has a lot to do with it. My Terminator-C has a lot clearer flavor than a Protank, both using silica. The Term-C uses ceramic (I don't know how it produces better flavor, it just does). I also picked up a Genesis style rebuildable atty (AGA-T2) and got some Stainless Steel mesh. I'm still working on getting the Genesis rebuild right, but the flavor, OMG. I also did a Stainless mesh wick on my Protank (Tatroe aftermarket tank/base) and the flavor is definitely clearer and I perceive a "dry" taste to silica and the flavor drops off rapidly compared to SS necessitating a dry burn almost daily. SS also seems to wick better (I haven't used Elkwool before). Something to think about with flavor I'm finding out is the delivery. Also 501 drip atty's have a bit clearer flavor.

 

[zoiDman]

Me too.. I keep adding strawberry, and more strawberry and more then what the heck! I thought I added more...fubar

Been There... Done That!

Also something that used to Hang me Up was being Too Impatient.

I would mix and then try it Immediately. It didn't taste right. So I would try an Fix It by adding this or Diluting with That. I didn't understand that a New Mix had to sit for awhile.

I Ruined more Mixes by trying to make them Taste Good and the Mixing Stage only to have them Change in a few days of (I hate this Word but it has become Ubiquitous) Steeping.

 

[Mowgli]

I'm new to DIY so I bought a big bottle of ore mix 18mg nic. I see most people using TFA flavors recommending 1-7% but on mt baker vapor they suggest up to 30% for their flavors. It has me confused, can someone explain the difference?
Thanks.

MBV @12.5% is strong in 18mg 70/30
I've mixed over 40 Mt Baker and Flavor West flavors so far
Mt Baker uses Flavor West at the same percentage

30% would taste nothing like their juice in 80/20 - 60/40

Not my opinion, just my experience

 

[dannyv45]

Everything said here is very true. The same flavor from different Manufacturers are not the same. Percentage of flavor that one person likes may not be what you like and that's where the saying that is used here often "Taste is very subjective" comes from. The best advice that can be given is start with the minimum recommended percentage and work up. Many things effect taste (Percentage, steeping, NIC ratio, pg/vg ratio) So make sure you understand this. Start with 1 flavor and perfect it then move on to more complex mixes. It's important to get the basics down first.

 

[Moogle]

Here's a really handy thread to subscribe to as well http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/336110-flavor-apprentice-flavoring-thread.html When I get home from work tonight I am going to start sampling flavors I set up to steep in a craft container. Basically it has 30 small round plastic containers in a clear plastic box. I labeled them with some cheap labels I picked up at Office Max. I went off of the TFA flavor thread for percentages and just made up some 50/50 base and put 2 ml in each container then as accurately as possible added each flavor by percentage. This is the best method I can think of to take out all the variables. Also all our taste buds are different so 5% of a particular flavor might be the sweet spot for me but taste horrible to you.

 

[Bryan lord]

Any must have flavors I should order off of tfa for my first order? I like sweets.

 

[Bryan lord]

Also how do you guys do %? What measuring containers Are must haves?

 

[Moogle]

Fruit:
Juicy Peach, Dragon Fruit, Pomegranate, Raspberry, Ethol Maltol, Key Lime, Sour (Malic Acid) helps make fruit flavors "pop" - add 1 drop per 5 ml

Candy:
Butterscotch, English Toffee

I have a lot more flavors but those are the ones I've tried in the sweet category

 

[Mowgli]

Also how do you guys do %? What measuring containers Are must haves?

eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator

I use 25ml, 50ml & 100ml plastic graduated cylinders (plastic is hydrophobic so juice doesn't stick as much).
Fosters & Smith Vet supply has inexpensive & excellent Monoject luer-lock syringes.
I mix right in the bottles. Blue or amber glass.

 

[Moogle]

Get an e-juice calculator if you're not handy with the math. I use glass containers but plastic works. Get LDPE (I think that's right) plastic. You also need syringes and pipettes for measuring with. Usually measure by the milliliter or fractions thereof.

 

[Mowgli]

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