Flavorart via Happy Vaper All Disgusting?

[Kevin Freeheart]

I ordered a few small bottles of flavorings to start working with last week. They arrived yesterday and I was extremely excited to get to mixing and test them all out!

For the record, I ordered Arctic Menthol, Spicy Cinnamon Candy, Cowboy, and Virginia tobacco blends.

I first mixed up the Cowboy and noticed a smell that was unpleasant to me, though something that may be pleasant to others. I figured I just wasn't going to like this blend, and to see how it vaped before I judged it.

But then the cinnamon had the same smell.

And the menthol. And the Virginia.

I vaped them in a VG mixture and got the flavor percentages horribly wrong. I read on here that Flavorart are usually much stronger than others, to use around 2%. I used 2% with the Cowboy and Virginia and 4% with the Cinnamon and Menthol.

In every case, to taste ANYTHING I needed to bring my flavoring percentage up to between 10% and 20% (adding slowly, testing, adding). Unfortunately, by the time the flavors start coming through, the sickly-sweet "makes-me-gag" flavor wins out.

I'm concerned about a few things. First, why are my flavors so much weaker in comparison than what members of this forum experience? Secondly, what is that nasty flavor in EVERY blend I got?

I know Happy Vaper has a reputation around here that is mostly positive, so I'm a lot LESS likely to suspect that what I'm buying is cut or dilluted, but that seems like one of the first things that comes to mind to me.

Has anybody else used Happy Vaper FA flavorings? Similar experiences, totally different?

I'm not putting this in the retailer section because my questions are pertaining how to make better fluid, not to give a review of a particular brand or retailer.

 

[JaYBoNeS]

I get mine from Happy Vaper also. I've tried the spicy cinnamon candy and love it. I don't like the cowboy smell, so I have not tried it yet. I did have to add a little more flavour than 2% for sure though, and I did not find it to be sickly sweet at all, but boy, if I add too much, it has a huge kick, totally clears out my sinuses!

 

[Switched]

Huuuuuuuuuuuummmmmm,

It's hard to say what you are doing wrong when we don't know what you are doing right.

Falvourart flavours are indeed strong, some more than others. Wrt the tobacco flavours a little goes a looooooooooong way. This thread deals mostly with the tobacco flavours.

When I test I start with 10 drops of nic juice to which I add one drop of flavouring, that is now flavoured @ 10%, and I drip on a clean atty. I will test the sample and re drip until the atty is primed and vaping properly. If it wasn't enough, I will make another sample using 2 drops, you are now @20%. Blow out your atty and drip until the new flavour comes out. Continue to drip until the full new flavour comes out. If that did, stop what you are doing, and let sit overnight. the next day retest the 20% sample it should be stronger. Now on a clean atty, retry your 10% mix which will also be stronger. Which one is closest? or is it in between? If it's in between then it is simple 15% falvouring is what you are after.

If it's not then you have to decide which way to swing, left or right. If it's closer to 20% than you need to start at 15%. Make a test 3ml sample using one of the calculators available, once again allowing it to sit over night. the follwoing day drip it again on a previously cleaned atty, and see where your at. If your there cool, if your not, back to the drawing board. If your there, and hopefully you kept dilligent notes, you can now mix a bigger batch. I like 10mls, it's simple math. Although flavours gel (read mix together) after 24 hrs not more changes will occur from that point on. Make notes to yourself and adjust accordingly for the next batch, rememebering that what ever juice you make, let it sit for 24hrs before use.

If this sounds liike too much effort, that is why we have vendors.

OTOH, DIY allows you to fine tune your mixes to your liking. Mama always said hard work paid off.

 

[MaxUT]

I vaped them in a VG mixture and got the flavor percentages horribly wrong. I read on here that Flavorart are usually much stronger than others, to use around 2%. I used 2% with the Cowboy and Virginia and 4% with the Cinnamon and Menthol.
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I'm concerned about a few things. First, why are my flavors so much weaker in comparison than what members of this forum experience? Secondly, what is that nasty flavor in EVERY blend I got?

My first experience using FlavourArt was with Torrone. Immediately after mixing there was very little flavor that I could recognize; it tasted mostly of anise. The liquid sat overnight and was much better in the morning. After 2 days it had gotten it's full flavor and was excellent.

I was also mixing with VG... that was the source of the slow flavor development. Give the mixture some time then try it again.

I've used 6 FA tobacco flavors so far and 2-3 drops of flavor per ml of liquid base is about right to my taste.

 

[Dkrom68]

I have used every flavor and just received the 3 newest ones. All of the tobacco flavors are very strong and I add 1 to 2 drops at most to 6ml. Some are very good and some not so but they do take very little and need to sit for a day or so to meld together a little bit and the flavor does change.

 

[MaxUT]

All of the tobacco flavors are very strong and I add 1 to 2 drops at most to 6ml.

Wish I could get by with so little! My bottle of FA Virginia would last 10X longer!

 

[redgirl]

I'm not having as much luck as anyone else, either! I had to use about 14% for the tobaccos to taste good to me. And I did get a flavor (Desert Ship) that I LOVED and the next batch of it that I got tasted completely different. Very dissapointing because it was my all day vape. I do like the Virginia, though.

 

[gixer]

So far with the fa tobacco flavours I've tried, I need to use 2 - 3 drops per ml. I'm glad to see there are others. I was starting to think there was something wrong with my taste buds. Has anyone noticed that the desert ship has a bit of a weird fragrant aftertaste? Kind of like a flower air freshener taste, and the camel ultimate has a bit of a weed aftertaste? The virginia seems a bit weak. Maybe I just need to let it sit for a while.

 

[sjohnson]

Genetic makeup will necessarily make observations about flavorings subjective. We will *never* have objective reviews on flavors.

 

[Switched]

http://www.flavourart.it/grafico tabacco.pdf

This chart from flavour art explain the tastes and tones. Happy Vapers also has a brief description there.

 

[voltaire]

When I test I start with 10 drops of nic juice to which I add one drop of flavouring, that is now flavoured @ 10%, and I drip on a clean atty. I will test the sample and re drip until the atty is primed and vaping properly. If it wasn't enough, I will make another sample using 2 drops, you are now @20%.

I may be accused of nitpicking, but your math is off.

10 drops of nic liquid + 1 drop of flavoring = 9.09% flavoring
9 drops of nic liquid + 1 drop of flavoring = 10% flavoring

10 drops of nic liquid + 2 drops of flavoring= 16.66% flavoring
8 drops of nic liquid + 2 drops of flavoring= 20% flavoring

So you see how that error can compound significantly as you increase the flavoring - 9% is not far off from 10%, but 16.6% is significantly far from 20%.

Also, of course, when using drops of two different liquids with the SAME dropper, the drops will be of different volumes, further throwing off the math. And if you're using a different dropper for the nic and the flavoring, that could throw it off even more! At that point, you might as well be doing it by eye or to taste, like professional chefs do.

 

[Switched]

I stand corrected. I will have to remember that. Wrt equipment, the drops are the same. Liquid viscosity however will play a part in it, but remember, I am making the recipe. I have had juice from vendors that vary every time I get some. It is far easier for me to replicate a 15% sample, then it is from purchased juice.

When I mix large batches I use a syringe. If they are off a bit, I add to it, keeping notes.But once the recipe is finalized, it should be no problem sticking to it and being able to clone it.

Frigg I'll throw a monkey wrench in there as well. PA caramel is different, than Fa caramel which is different from LorAnn's caramel

Edit: My goesinta machine is faulty. If I mix your 2 batches together I should get 15% correct?

 

[Overlord]

I have tried a bunch of flavorings from Happy Vaper and I have to say yes, there are some I didn't prefer, but some I can't live without.

Don't be afraid to try the Capella flavorings too. I'd shy away from LorAnn, I havn't had any luck from those but do experiment.

BTW, in a 3ml bottle, I use at most 12 drops of some flavorings. But then again, I like them strong.

Flavorings are so personal. For example, I love the Capella French Toast. Not 1 person I know likes it. So do try more.

 

[voltaire]

I stand corrected. I will have to remember that. Wrt equipment, the drops are the same. Liquid viscosity however will play a part in it, but remember, I am making the recipe. I have had juice from vendors that vary every time I get some. It is far easier for me to replicate a 15% sample, then it is from purchased juice.

When I mix large batches I use a syringe. If they are off a bit, I add to it, keeping notes.But once the recipe is finalized, it should be no problem sticking to it and being able to clone it.

Frigg I'll throw a monkey wrench in there as well. PA caramel is different, than Fa caramel which is different from LorAnn's caramel

Edit: My goesinta machine is faulty. If I mix your 2 batches together I should get 15% correct?

Yes, if you mixed the 10% and 20% together it would be 15% flavoring. Another way to do it is just add all the drops from the two, so:

17 drops of nic liquid + 3 drops of flavoring= 15% flavoring

When calculating percentage, you always want to consider the TOTAL drops, so:
(from above) 20 total drops, so on a calculator you do 20 x .15 = 3

The way you were doing it is fine for you, as long as you always repeat the same error in percentages. The problem would arise when communicating your recipe (in %) to someone who doesn't make the same error.

 

[Kevin Freeheart]

Thanks for the input. I see a few people suggest that I give the VG + FA mix a bit of time to mellow. I suppose I was a bit jumpy there and using it fresh.

Immediately after mixing there was very little flavor that I could recognize; it tasted mostly of anise.

I didn't pinpoint that flavor when I vaped it but a friend was trying some yesterday and she immediately said "Black licorice jellybeans"! I think that is the flavor I was tasting and disliking though I could detect hints of it on all of the flavors, not just the tobacco blend.

I certainly will be trying out different flavorings from different brands. The general consensus in terms of getting the best flavorings, regardless of which you like, is that no brand does all of the flavors well, so I will certainly be using others in the future including FA as well. Some of the numbers (15%) are about what I'm using to get noticable flavorings, so I suspect it's a matter of sensitivity and preference and not bad flavorings that I got.

Thanks a bunch!

 

[sjohnson]

I'd tend to agree about preference and sensitivity. Most reviews rave about the FA Desert Ship, but I find it generally unenjoyable. The Capellas Vanilla Custard, also a favorite of many, makes me shudder though my son really likes it. Different genetics, expectations, and taste sensitivities make the difference.

 

[Switched]

I'd tend to agree about preference and sensitivity. Most reviews rave about the FA Desert Ship, but I find it generally unenjoyable. The Capellas Vanilla Custard, also a favorite of many, makes me shudder though my son really likes it. Different genetics, expectations, and taste sensitivities make the difference.

You are right of course. Now after viewing the graphs I know I can develop several pipe tobacco flavour from there. This of course is not for everyone. I was a pipe and premium cigar smoker.

 

[Guineahill]

I find that the FlavourArt flavorings and the Perfumers Apprentice flavorings both taste better after being given some time to develop. I sometimes get unpleasant tastes when I use too much flavoring!

I can't stand most of the LorAnn flavors even though many people like them very much. I firmly believe that we all have different needs so you should find what works for you!

 

[ella]

I was reading about prescription drugs side effects and found this interesting list of drugs that can change your sense of taste. Some of the drugs are pretty commonly prescribed so this could also be affecting how we each perceive different flavours.

Drugs that Change Your Sense of Taste

 

[Guineahill]

I was reading about prescription drugs side effects and found this interesting list of drugs that can change your sense of taste. Some of the drugs are pretty commonly prescribed so this could also be affecting how we each perceive different flavours.

Drugs that Change Your Sense of Taste

Excellent point! I knew medications could influence tastes but I never put that together with vaping!