Flavourart.com

[quovadis]

I checked their website.
Way too detailed to be Italian.
Maybe that's where they live and do business.

The VAT is value added tax. In Italian it's called IVA.
This is a tax that exists in all EU countries, and is always paid by the end consumer.
The tax varies depending on the goods.
For example food products are a 10% but i have to verify the harmonized tariff classification of artificial flavorings.

Normally for direct export the end customer should not pay VAT.
We customers have no possibility of getting a VAT refund since we cannot show the goods at an Italian port of entry and get a stamp from customs.

To make things worse. Italy is not the best organized country on the planet.
So different people will claim different things and get away with it.

I think that for IVA to be effective the sale of the goods has to take place in the confines of the country. Hence this is a territorial requirement.

I am checking this out.
I do not mind paying a 20% value added tax. It is question of precision.

 

[emonty]

I checked their website.
Way too detailed to be Italian.
Maybe that's where they live and do business.

The VAT is value added tax. In Italian it's called IVA.
This is a tax that exists in all EU countries, and is always paid by the end consumer.
The tax varies depending on the goods.
For example food products are a 10% but i have to verify the harmonized tariff classification of artificial flavorings.

Normally for direct export the end customer should not pay VAT.
We customers have no possibility of getting a VAT refund since we cannot show the goods at an Italian port of entry and get a stamp from customs.

To make things worse. Italy is not the best organized country on the planet.
So different people will claim different things and get away with it.

I think that for IVA to be effective the sale of the goods has to take place in the confines of the country. Hence this is a territorial requirement.

I am checking this out.
I do not mind paying a 20% value added tax. It is question of precision.

They could have included the VAT within the price, then you would not have the question. The reason why VAT is there is when you are a business and need the flavorings and the other items they sell to run your business, you can deduct that from your profit made (income_tax), that is the way it works in Europe. even when you include the tax, the prices are good, at least when your salary is paid in Euro's. the US Dollar is not so strong anymore and therefore it is quite expense for US-Citizens.

 

[quovadis]

No...you miss the point.
This is a legal issue not open to interpretation.
Second point, I don't know too many European customers or consumers that know the response to this, since they live inside EU.


i just looked at the Italian law regarding VAT.
esportazioni dirette (art. 8 comma 1 lettera a - Dpr. 633/72)


Direct export to any country outside the EU , VAT (IVA ) is not applicable.
However it is the sellers responsibility to prove to customs that he is exporting.
Since Flavor Art does not want this hassle, they charge a 20% VAT.

It would have been better if on their website they had just given us a price.
The problem is that they have to include VAT for customers within the EU.
Ideally they would have a USA site tax free and and a EU site with VAT.
I do realize this is a major complication though.

Having said this, their site clearly states that they have to charge VAT.

Answer = yes if they sell within the EU borders ...
And No if for direct export.

 

[emonty]

Ok, I see what you mean now, yes too much hassle I guess, but why don't you put them the question directly?

 

[quovadis]

Yes come Monday morning, they will be questioned. From all sides.
Something is not right here.
Of course I can well understand the flare and appeal of having a "Made in Italia" label on the bottle.

As the old Italian adage will quickly prove itself...."The devil makes pots and pans....but he does not make the covers for these!!"

 

[grumpster]

Direct export to any country outside the EU , VAT (IVA ) is not applicable.
However it is the sellers responsibility to prove to customs that he is exporting.

And the shipping address wouldn't suffice for proof of export? It is with almost every seller in the EU that I've dealt with. Something is hinky!

 

[quovadis]

I just spoke to the owner or general manager of flavor art in Italy.
We had a lengthy conversation regarding the flavors, their commitment to excellence, and the VAT.

Their company is 100% legit. I am very impressed, by their expertise and web set up.
I have ordered some flavors, and am sure they are top notch.

As for the VAT, they need to prove to the Italian authorities that the receiver has a Federal Tax ID in order to deduct VAT in Italy.

Since most orders are small and go through regular mail, VAT has to be charged to the end consumer.

This is to attest, that any suspicions on my behalf regarding this company were unfounded.
I look forward to receiving these new liquids.

 

[emonty]

I can't wait to receive my very large ;-) order....just got an e-mail it has been shipped!!!

 

[PlanetScribbles]

What does 'hinky' mean?

 

[Scottes]

What does 'hinky' mean?

Something as yet undefinable is wrong, out of place; not quite right.
There's something hinky about the deal.




the instant of knowledge when one becomes deeply aware that there is pure evil ****ery afoot.
She knew something was hinky when her husband returned from the store without his underwear...


1. Strange, wrong weird
2. Something that is wrong or out of place

 

[Angela]

What does 'hinky' mean?

In our language, 'fishy'

 

[Skwerl]

Thank you for going the extra mile Quovadis and checking out the VAT information. Also, thank you to all the Vapineers and potential mad scientists: all the work and self research was incredibly informative.

After all the reading and lurking in the DIY sub I'm beginning to think I can do this!

 

[PlanetScribbles]

Well there is something distinctly hinky about the word 'hinky' IMO

 

[Applejackson]

I just spoke to the owner or general manager of flavor art in Italy.
We had a lengthy conversation regarding the flavors, their commitment to excellence, and the VAT.

Their company is 100% legit. I am very impressed, by their expertise and web set up.
I have ordered some flavors, and am sure they are top notch.

As for the VAT, they need to prove to the Italian authorities that the receiver has a Federal Tax ID in order to deduct VAT in Italy.

Since most orders are small and go through regular mail, VAT has to be charged to the end consumer.

This is to attest, that any suspicions on my behalf regarding this company were unfounded.
I look forward to receiving these new liquids.

I think you'll be pleased with their stuff. I don't have a ton, but what I have is great. Although it seems pricey, the 15ml bottles will last a LONG time, especially with the tobacco flavors which are quite strong (at least Latakia is).

 

[mbolack]

I have a request, please. Could some of you who have multiple tobacco flavors from these folks please post some real world descriptions? I really want one that I could combine with some chocolate and caramel to approximate ry4. But I really don't want to buy one of each to figure out which ones would work for that.
thanks...

 

[emonty]

I have a request, please. Could some of you who have multiple tobacco flavors from these folks please post some real world descriptions? I really want one that I could combine with some chocolate and caramel to approximate ry4. But I really don't want to buy one of each to figure out which ones would work for that.
thanks...

I ordered all there tobacco flavors...when received and tested...I will let you know...might take some time....

 

[Scottes]

I think you'll be pleased with their stuff. I don't have a ton, but what I have is great. Although it seems pricey, the 15ml bottles will last a LONG time, especially with the tobacco flavors which are quite strong (at least Latakia is).

Well, a 15ml bottle of their Tiramisu flavor lasted my wife less than 2 weeks - and that was mixed with a bottle of TW Tiramisu.

We just placed another order last night. Among other stuff, we got 250ml of Tiramisu. That's not a type - she wanted 250ml.

 

[Applejackson]

Well, a 15ml bottle of their Tiramisu flavor lasted my wife less than 2 weeks - and that was mixed with a bottle of TW Tiramisu.

We just placed another order last night. Among other stuff, we got 250ml of Tiramisu. That's not a type - she wanted 250ml.

She's gotta be using waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy more flavoring in her mixes than me then, or she vapes an insane amount. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but 15 ml would last me at least a week and a half if I wasn't mixing it with anything, including PG or VG. Just vaping straight flavoring.

 

[Scottes]

Yeah, she does 30% flavoring for this stuff. Their regular flavoring isn't as strong as their tobacco, from what I understand.

But the big thing was the price difference. The price difference between 100ml and 250ml meant that it made sense to just get a lifetime supply for $10 more.

 

[Applejackson]

Yeah, she does 30% flavoring for this stuff. Their regular flavoring isn't as strong as their tobacco, from what I understand.

But the big thing was the price difference. The price difference between 100ml and 250ml meant that it made sense to just get a lifetime supply for $10 more.

I'm sure some are more potent than others. The tobacco flavor that I have can be used in very small amounts. The caramel I have from there comes across pretty strong too, but I certainly use more of it than the Latakia in my mixes. The vape wizard is a good purchase as well and requires very little, lest you nullify the other flavors you use.