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[grumpster]

Grams is strictly a measurement of weight. ML as juice is typically sold in is a measurement of volume. You can not directly convert volume to weight if you do not know the density of the material that your converting. A gram of cotton will take up a great deal more volume than a gram of sand for example.

So the question is what is the volume is product sold? I''ll have to write them and ask.

 

[Applejackson]

I got my FlavourArt order today.

All of these smell unbelievably good! Well, except cream. I will experiment carefully with that one.

In the order, I got their Magic Mask, Vape Wizard, and some of their PG nic-juice at 36mg.

I'll try to remember to update this thread with reviews and info as I try and test things. Though I might not really get a chance to explore until this weekend.


This stuff sounds quite useful for us:

Magic Mask
NEW !! Reduce the acid perception without modifying the pH.

pH is one of the key factors involved in food stability. In order to reduce the pH, a small amount of organic acid must be added to the food preparation (i.e. citric, malic, tartaric acid). In most cases the addition of food acid is beneficial both for microbiological stability and taste ( just think to an lemon or cola drink, they must be acid to be good ).
However, some other foods might require food acid for microbiological safety BUT the acid taste does not complement well ( a light cheese, a sauce as example ).

In this cases, the use of Magic Mask can be of help. Magic Mask does not buffer the pH, nor alter it. Magic Mask acts at the tongue receptors level, temporarily reducing the acid perception, thus improving the overall mouth feel. Its action last 5-8 seconds and involve only the acid receptors.
Recommended dosage is 1 up to 3 grams for Kg food. When comparing products with and without Magic Mask, the food with Magic Mask must be tasted as second.

Give it a try.


MTS Vape Wizard
MTS stands for Mellow, Thick and Smooth, and it is a major breakthrough in taste technology for PV users.
Based on our thorough understanding of taste mechanisms, we have developed a product which we believe will increase the pleasure of your vaping experience.

MTS vape wizard contributes toward softening any acidic/sour perception, it assists in making vapour thicker, and it delivers both body and depth to any e-liquid.
It can be used on its own, blended with tobacco flavours, or with any other flavour of your choice. There are no limitations as to its versatility.
Make your vapour fuller and richer.. Let MTS Vape Wizard work its magic for you! Suggested dosage 0,5-2%

I figured these were essentially the same thing. Maybe some VG added to the Vape Wizard. Are they?

I have the Latakia tobacco flavor, the caramel, and the vape wizard. These three combine to make a great vape. It's really easy to use too much tobacco flavoring though, so keep that in mind. They are VERY strong (or at least the Latakia is). A couple-four drops of the Latakia is enough to flavor 6ml of liquid. I wouldn't recommend this flavor by itself as it might taste "ashy" or "perfumey", but it gives a really good woody, smokey tobacco flavor to your top notes. I plan on ordering the other tobacco flavors as well now that I know how good they are. I'm going to be giving them a lot of business, especially if they get that US distributor up and running!

 

[Angela]

I have some Virginia, some Camel, and some Marlborough here, and at 5% Flavouring in their PG e-liquid, it is faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr too strong on the flavouring for me!

I'm going to take it down to around 2% to see if that's better.

(As a guide, I am used to adding 10-20% LorAnn's flavouring to liquid, so these are MUCH stronger than LorAnns!)

 

[Scottes]

Magic Mask
NEW !! Reduce the acid perception without modifying the pH.
...
MTS Vape Wizard
MTS vape wizard contributes toward softening any acidic/sour perception, it assists in making vapour thicker, and it delivers both body and depth to any e-liquid.

I figured these were essentially the same thing. Maybe some VG added to the Vape Wizard. Are they?

I didn't get that impression from my research. Magic Mask seems geared towards citrus/acidic flavors. Here's what Max from FlavourArt about MTS:

[SIZE=+1]Hi Scott.
Happy our products fulfills your expectations.

Vape wizard contains part of the magic mask ingredients, but it has been boasted with other flavoring components specifically tested to impart aged, dark and slightly smoky notes in the background, and it delivers a fuller and round sensation. + magic mask components, it reduces acidity in addition.

Magic mask works only on acidic part. So they should not be used together, as vape wizard has already that feature.

Vape wizard can be used as complement for almost any flavor, as the vapour tends to be more round. It work well with tobacco flavors. You have only to find your most suitable level. Vapers in Italy suggest do not pass 1%, so maybe start at 0,5% and see how it works for you.
It is intended to smooth overall vapor.

Feel free to ask me anytime

Kind regards

Max[/SIZE]

It sounds more like ethyl maltol to me, but Max was adamant that it does not contain ethyl maltol.

I have not yet tried the Magic Mask since I haven't had anything citrusy/acidic.


I can say that 4 drops of MTS Vape Wizard completely killed the taste of a 6ml bottle of coffee-flavored e-juice, and that juice was 25-30% flavoring. The flavor was "smoothed out" so much that it was pretty darn dull and boring. I should have used 1 drop, MAYBE 2 drops, for that 6ml bottle. Like Max said above, it should be used at 0.5% or maybe 1% - I used about 1.5-2% and it was way too much.

At 1%, I can't imagine that VG in that amount would make a difference.

Since this stuff is so strong, I plan on mixing it 1:3 with PG, so that it's at 25% of normal strength.


I still have to experiment with it, though, but haven't made anything that needed any such help so I haven't used it. I need to find some time for experimentation with this stuff, Magic Mask, Ethyl Maltol, etc.

 

[lowwkeyy]

so a few of you have em have tried them is it worth the time and money to use there tobac flavors ?
is it worth the time to use there sweet flavors when i can get loranns down the street ?

 

[Angela]

Only you can decide whether or not it's worth the time and trouble for you, but all I can say is that I can't get anything down the street and so have to send off for either..... and I won't be sending off for LorAnns ever again

 

[Applejackson]

so a few of you have em have tried them is it worth the time and money to use there tobac flavors ?
is it worth the time to use there sweet flavors when i can get loranns down the street ?

I started off vaping ordering a bunch of Lorannes. I hardly ever use them. Watermelon tastes pretty good from there. Cheesecake too. I suspect I'll be using a lot of flavourart though. Waaaaaaayyyyy more variety, plus the tobacco flavor that I have works great. Can't wait to try the others.

 

[Applejackson]

I didn't get that impression from my research. Magic Mask seems geared towards citrus/acidic flavors. Here's what Max from FlavourArt about MTS:

It sounds more like ethyl maltol to me, but Max was adamant that it does not contain ethyl maltol.

I have not yet tried the Magic Mask since I haven't had anything citrusy/acidic.


I can say that 4 drops of MTS Vape Wizard completely killed the taste of a 6ml bottle of coffee-flavored e-juice, and that juice was 25-30% flavoring. The flavor was "smoothed out" so much that it was pretty darn dull and boring. I should have used 1 drop, MAYBE 2 drops, for that 6ml bottle. Like Max said above, it should be used at 0.5% or maybe 1% - I used about 1.5-2% and it was way too much.

At 1%, I can't imagine that VG in that amount would make a difference.

Since this stuff is so strong, I plan on mixing it 1:3 with PG, so that it's at 25% of normal strength.


I still have to experiment with it, though, but haven't made anything that needed any such help so I haven't used it. I need to find some time for experimentation with this stuff, Magic Mask, Ethyl Maltol, etc.

If you use the Latakia tobacco flavor, it definitely needs rounding. The Vape Wizard works great on this and you can use a bit more than a drop. I could see it totally killing certain other flavors though. I used about 5 drops Latakia, 12 drops Caramel flavor, 4 drops of Vape wizard, ~4ml 36mg PG, ~2ml 0mg VG. Made an awesome flavor. Maybe like a wood toasted marshmallow that's been on a bit too long. Smokey and sweet. It's mild, but really tasty. You could easily adjust to taste.

 

[grumpster]

I am interested in the tobacco flavors, especially the Marlboro flavor. How good it it, and how much do you use? Has any one tried the Marlboro yet?

 

[JustMeAgain]

Am I the only one who finds the flavourart website confusing?

OOps...nevermind - I figured it out - then I converted the prices. Wow, very pricey, but very interesting. Gonna have to read some more reviews. Keep them coming....

 

[baby driver]

I got the vape wizard stuff also, and I really like it. It does seem to add a body to the flavor in tiny amounts and completely wipe out the flavor in larger amounts. It has some magic mask in it, but it is brownish while magic mask is clear. It is also fairly thick, so I imagine it has some VG in it as well. Not sure what else, but recommend both of these products for a DIY home lab.[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]

Here is the email I received when I asked about Vape Wizard:

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[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial] About Vape Wizard, we developed it starting from a food flavor that delivers aged, woody and slightly smoky notes. The original flavor was formulated to improve mouthfeel and body, especially for liquid foods and some type of drinks. As it worked well in foodstuff, we decided to make a vape version of it. Then we combined it with Magic Mask ( which i think you know fairly well ), which works on tongue receptor and soften the acid perception. So when we tasted and tested VW, we noticed that theory was right and it delivered its promises.[/FONT]

It does not influence the vapour properties, nor boost the steam in any way. It works as a food flavor and the substances we used, when used at subtle level, delivers the full and bodied sensation. It is a very delicate flavor, and its action is on perception inside the mouth. It should be used in combination with other flavor from 0.2 up to 1% max.

Many Italian vapers combine it with the tobacco flavors and they say that it, when properly dosed, make the steam MTS, mellow, thick and smooth.

I hope this explanation clears your doubts.
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[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]So it sounds like it might have their smoke flavoring in it as well as possibly other ingredients.

Valerie
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[PlanetScribbles]

Flavourart@Liberty Flights

Just so everyone knows, Liberty Flights now stock Flavourart flavours in the UK in 5ml bottles. How cool is that?

 

[grumpster]

Now all we need to do is get it in the USA. Wish I had the investment money. I think it'd be a good opportunity.

 

[Sky..]

Hi all, hope you don't mind me posting here, suppliers get a tough rap sometimes. I'm Abe from liberty-flights. I think we have all the flavours that can be vaped on the site that are available on the main flavourart website, Vape Wizard isn't listed but it is on its way and will arrive at the same time that the rest of the bottles arrive. I did want to try to get the flavours in smaller bottle sizes than 5ml but Max wouldn't let me, he drives a tough bargin

You can get 15% of any order with the discount code ecf and shipping to the US should not be too pricey. Our unflavoured liquid is out of stock currently but that has a usual price of £7.99 for 30ml @ 24mg. We are working on a European produced USP nictoine liquid similar to Platinum Ice that should be a fraction of the cost.

I have asked to supply his flavourings the US as well, liberty US should be reopened very shortly.

Great news Abe, thank you for letting us know

The Flavourart flavours are delicious, Ive tried several now and cant fault them

 

[RyGuy]

They also provide a lengthy post concerning diacetyl and which flavors contain the compound. Here's the list for quick reference.

Apple pie 0,4
Beer 0,001
Butter 1,5
Buterscotch 0,012
Beef boiled 0,00005
Bell pepper 0,01
Chestnut 0,03
Champagne 0,0016
Coconut 0,5
Croissant 0,074
Cheese Erdammer 0,09
Cheese Emmenthal 0,018
Cheese Parmigiano 0,29
Coffee 0,27
Caramel and butterscotch 0,07
Corn 0,2
Cream 0,078
Egg yolk 0,015
Fried 0,01
Golden syrup 0,09
Hazelnut 0,01
Maple 0,012
Milk condensed 0,5
Malt 0,01
Melon 0,01
Nut wild mix 0,9
Olive 0,01
Potato 0,00012
Pistacchio 0,0015
Rum 0,022
Soy sauce 0,35
Salmon 0,02
Truffle black 0,1
Tiramisu 0,05
Vanlla Madagascar 0,04
Vanilla Tahiti 0,08
Yogurt 1,6

- R0b

I can't seem to find this info anywhere on the Flavourart site. Can you post a link or can someone please verify that this info is correct? Some of the flavors that I really want apparently contain diacetyl according to the above post

 

[RyGuy]

The problem with the post that was originally made is that I think it misses out some of the very important information. If you go to E Liquid - E Liquid Flavouring and scroll to the bottom, we have taken a copy of the fart text.

I think the direct f'art url is : The Vape heaven

The important text missing out is :

So this should clear the fact that diacetyl is normally consumed when people eat butter, drink beer or wine, eat a fruit and its moderate consumption is harmless. However we realize that for E smokers, our food flavors are used in a different way as they are not ingested but inhaled, and the presence of diacetyl can be a cause of concern. So we are pleased to inform our customers, which flavours contain diacetyl and related amount in %. Just consider that the amount shown is related to 100% flavor, so when used in finished product its content is less.



As example, butter flavor dosed at 0,3% in E juice. The amount of diacetyl in 100 ml of E.juice is 0,0045 grams. Assuming that a typical E cigarette contains an average of 2 ml of E juice, the amount of diacetyl assumed in a smoking session is...... 0,00009 grams or 0,09 ppm (part per million).

Always consider the dosage in use !

Thanks for the speedy response Liberty! Thank you for the clarification and the link. Helps tremendously. I had no idea that those numbers were in reference to a percentage.

 

[moog]

I think the following paragraph from flavourart is a little worrying, not for us long termers but for people new to vaping.....I know it says consuming but I think it could be put a little clearer....IMO

Current research indicates that there may be a potential health risk to individuals who are repeatedly exposed to high concentrations of diacetyl vapors for an extended period of time, such as individuals who work in facilities that manufacture or use certain flavorings containing diacetyl. However, these concerns do not apply to the average person consuming products containing diacetyl.

 

[Abe]

Yes, I can see how the text is confusing, I think mainly because part of the text relates to ingestion and a parallel is drawn to inhaling.

 

[SwanVesta]

Hi all, hope you don't mind me posting here, suppliers get a tough rap sometimes. I'm Abe from liberty-flights. I think we have all the flavours that can be vaped on the site that are available on the main flavourart website, Vape Wizard isn't listed but it is on its way and will arrive at the same time that the rest of the bottles arrive. I did want to try to get the flavours in smaller bottle sizes than 5ml but Max wouldn't let me, he drives a tough bargin

You can get 15% of any order with the discount code ecf and shipping to the US should not be too pricey. Our unflavoured liquid is out of stock currently but that has a usual price of £7.99 for 30ml @ 24mg. We are working on a European produced USP nictoine liquid similar to Platinum Ice that should be a fraction of the cost.

I have asked to supply his flavourings the US as well, liberty US should be reopened very shortly.

Great news Abe
I unfortunately ordered from Italy last week but next order will be from you

Swan

 

[Kurt]

Grams is strictly a measurement of weight. ML as juice is typically sold in is a measurement of volume. You can not directly convert volume to weight if you do not know the density of the material that your converting. A gram of cotton will take up a great deal more volume than a gram of sand for example.

So the question is what is the volume is product sold? I''ll have to write them and ask.

1 oz of liquid is generally a fluid oz, and it is 30 mL. It is not a mass or weight, to my knowledge. LIke a shot of liquor is 1 oz, 30 mL.