Flooding, the problem that doesnt seem to be solved

[Rodeorat]

Nothing wrong with going back to a carto and maybe a tank.

My cartos flood like hell, ikenvape and smok cartos alike. At least with an RTA, have some control. If it's flooding, you fix the coil or wick. The kayfun 3.1 and Aqua have been a breeze to build and use with NO flooding.

 

[440BB]

I've found the newer Vision Vivi Nova, V2.5 and up, and Kanger T2 to be free of leaking, flooding and gurgling for weeks at a time. The only time they have had issues for me is when the coil is too gunked up to properly vaporize liquid, or the head isn't screwed in tight.

They may not be the newest or sexiest, but for me they are extremely reliable. The T2 is still the smoothest, most flavorful vape I have found next to dripping.

Good luck finding a sweet spot without fiddling. You deserve it after vaping for so long!

 

[CreepyLady]

Reo Grand and a RM2, basically impossible to flood and give the best vape I've ever had.

This was my resolution to the same problem. Second best solution....Cartotanks - only flood when the carto is at its life expectancy (IBTanked with Boge laser slotted cartos)

I hope you find resolve Gurgling/flooding and fiddling = the suck.

 

[ctruth]

I've found the newer Vision Vivi Nova, V2.5 and up, and Kanger T2 to be free of leaking, flooding and gurgling for weeks at a time. The only time they have had issues for me is when the coil is too gunked up to properly vaporize liquid, or the head isn't screwed in tight.

They may not be the newest or sexiest, but for me they are extremely reliable. The T2 is still the smoothest, most flavorful vape I have found next to dripping.

Good luck finding a sweet spot without fiddling. You deserve it after vaping for so long!

Amen 440BB.
I like the 3.5ml capacity of the VVN @ Less than $6.00 a pop.
I don't run into the really gunky coil problem anymore. I'll either slip the wick or, I have found these things so easy to rebuild that it's actually fun! I'm down to less than ten minutes per build (hell, the 5 pack attys are super cheap too, guess I'm just a cheapskate).
Like you say, not fancy or new age, but they do the job way, way better than some of the high profile stuff I've tried.
I could name one expensive and popular tank - was gurgling and sucking juice like a sieve.
NON REFUNDABLE - NO RETURNS - What a waste of time and money!

Good luck in your quest woody1


unless you're damn lucky, you get what you pay for, maybe less but never more.

 

[PaulBHC]

I like the 3.5ml capacity of the VVN @ Less than $6.00 a pop.

Where?

Pressure/vacuum has been covered well here so I'll add condensation. I have a bad habit of stopping my draw when I let go of the fire button. Vapor is still in the tube and condenses into thin liquid that drains into the coil causing gurgle and leaks out the bottom.
Altitude, temperature and weather pressure changes can all effect a bottom coil device.
I have gone to genesis tanks with cotton or rayon wick. You have to tilt to keep the wick wet but no worse than a top coil device and you have to keep them upright when not in use or they will leak out.

 

[ctruth]

Where?

Hmmm. I used MFS (My Freedom Smokes) few weeks ago...
They have upgraded their site. Everything looks new to me. I don't even see the 3.5ml anymore.
I ordered quite a few while they were hot @ $5.95. It appears I may have helped buy them out.
You could inquire about restocking?

Good luck

 

[PaulBHC]

With everyone going to bottom multi coils and kay clones, top coils are getting harder to find at a cheap price. Desert Vapes has some parts left but no assemblies. This is all I have found lately

GotVapes Vision ViVi Nova™ V2.5 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

 

[ctruth]

With everyone going to bottom multi coils and kay clones, top coils are getting harder to find at a cheap price. Desert Vapes has some parts left but no assemblies. This is all I have found lately

GotVapes Vision ViVi Nova™ V2.5 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

Whoaaa ..Look at them prices at GotVapes, man!

And I don't know about the new 3.0 VVN's at MFS.

They are not the same as the 3.5 V3.
They have a spring loaded post (not really needed for the non mentally challenged),
and the top chimney & condom on the atty look different too. I'd be willing to bet the tube is a mite shorter also.

Seems Vision is making sure you don't "accidentally" go "cross mixin'" stuff.

Hmmm. So they throw in a colored tube to compensate for the missing 1/2ml
(and the fact that you just lost all your backward compatibility).

Next they'll be calling it the I-nova.

Hmmm...

All together now..."you can have my V3's when you pry them from my cold dead fingers".

grab a couple v3's NOW if you can find em, overpriced though they may be, and just rebuild hell out of em.

 

[Berylanna]

Whoaaa ..Look at them prices at GotVapes, man!


Hmmm...

All together now..."you can have my V3's when you pry them from my cold dead fingers".

grab a couple v3's NOW if you can find em, overpriced though they may be, and just rebuild hell out of em.

So I was getting replacement 2.5's, but I wanted to stop using the see-through ones because it bothers my friends to see the eliquid. So I'd been using the windowed kind, and getting all kinds of leaking which appeared to be coming from the windows.

So I got a Pyrex Nova (I assume SmokTek since I don't see that for Vision) and it leaks a little all day and completely floods overnight. I live in Northern California, which is sem-arid except for a few bad weeks per year. That means summer daytime temps of 78-99, and nighttime temps of 68-75 unless it's one of those hot spells where it's 80 overnight.

I know a lot of these things are made in a part of China that is high humidity and fairly south, so maybe there's no way to test them for this issue, but a significant portion of the world is also arid or semi-arid, so building a tank that has the right kind of o-rings to handle temperature changes should be doable and MARKETABLE!!!!

I have tried some bottom-coils that are pretty leak-proof but they don't have the warm flavor I like. I think the Kanger T2 does not flood, but it is not rebuildable, and I have a "thing" about saving all my old coils for Doomsday. (The FDA kind.) So, everybody who says the V3 is GOING to be perfect: how many of you live places where people hide indoors in the daytime and carry sweaters or jackets for the evening? Will it take the heads from the older Vision Vivi Novas? Does it leak if I end up with SmokTek heads? Will it take the new dual-coil heads?

I'm getting REALLY tired of this. And does anybody want to crowd-fund a development project for expansion/contraction resistant clearos/tanks?

 

[Berylanna]

bump for an answer?

 

[ctruth]

I'm getting REALLY tired of this. And does anybody want to crowd-fund a development project for expansion/contraction resistant clearos/tanks?

First off I am assuming that you meant leaking of the juice from inside the tank to the outside of the tank. right?

If so, you have described a problem on which I have absolutely no expertise.

I suppose if it happened to me...my first thought would be to wrap the metal threads with plumbers tape or dental floss....

I have replaced all my clear plastic tubes with colored plastic tubes w/o any problems.
I ordered (all plastic, colored) 3.5 tubes From Smoktek.com - they also have the 2.5 tubes.

Also: If by chance you're mixing heads/atty's/tank tops on your Vivi tanks, then you are opening a whole new can of worms. There's a reason why the versions keep changing - wanna guess why?

 

[Berylanna]

First off I am assuming that you meant leaking of the juice from inside the tank to the outside of the tank. right?

If so, you have described a problem on which I have absolutely no expertise.

I suppose if it happened to me...my first thought would be to wrap the metal threads with plumbers tape or dental floss....

I have replaced all my clear plastic tubes with colored plastic tubes w/o any problems.
I ordered (all plastic, colored) 3.5 tubes From Smoktek.com - they also have the 2.5 tubes.

Also: If by chance you're mixing heads/atty's/tank tops on your Vivi tanks, then you are opening a whole new can of worms. There's a reason why the versions keep changing - wanna guess why?

Well, some seemed to be leaking from the windows (these are plastic tanks with a metal cover with two small windows to see the eliquid level) but also, especially with dual-coils, I'm now getting MASSIVE overnight leakeage out the bottom, and a little inside where the battery goes. The entire tank empties overnight, whether full or nearly empty at bedtime. Lots of stuff all over my hands all day, I need to carry a box of tissues.

I am not mixing and matching between models with the possible (not certain) exception of not being sure all my replacement heads are original-brand and not clones.

 

[ctruth]

I am not mixing and matching between models with the possible (not certain) exception of not being sure all my replacement heads are original-brand and not clones.

OK. I think I know your problem.
I had that leaking problem a few days ago, juice everywhere. I emptied the tank, cleaned and examined everything.

I found that I had somehow assembled a tank with an old Vivi Nova BOTTOM that had a SPRING LOADED POST (that's the part that contacts the positive center of the 510 connection - If you press the center of the connector on your tank it "springs" back to position).

Don't ask where it came from. But when I secured that bottom into my "Awaiting FDA Decision" plastic bag of goodies....and replaced it with another non spring bottom...Voila! No more leaking.

 

[Berylanna]

OK. I think I know your problem.
I had that leaking problem a few days ago, juice everywhere. I emptied the tank, cleaned and examined everything.

I found that I had somehow assembled a tank with an old Vivi Nova BOTTOM that had a SPRING LOADED POST (that's the part that contacts the positive center of the 510 connection - If you press the center of the connector on your tank it "springs" back to position).


Don't ask where it came from. But when I secured that bottom into my "Awaiting FDA Decision" plastic bag of goodies....and replaced it with another non spring bottom...Voila! No more leaking.

Holy cow. And I just ordered more from the same vendor. Can I cry now? Or you mean the bottom that the cylinder screws into? The actual bottom cap?

 

[ctruth]

Holy cow. And I just ordered more from the same vendor. Can I cry now? Or you mean the bottom that the cylinder screws into? The actual bottom cap?

Yes, the bottom cap. That's the proper term. Press the center "pin" on the bottom with your fingernail. If it gives and then springs back, you have a spring loaded post. If ALL your tanks are like that ......

I would bet that is the source of your leaking. To be honest, e-Juice is pretty slimy stuff when it gets loose onto things, it can make you wonder WT****!!!

The site where I ordered my 3.5's no longer carries them. They now have a 3.0ml Vivi Nova, that has the spring loaded post. I wouldn't order them (I have enough V3's to last me).

With the one exception I told you about (a freebee from a Sigelei ZMax kit), none of my tanks are spring loaded.

What I am saying is, I am not familiar enough with the technology to have figured out how to eliminate the problem. When the one SLP bottom cap gave me trouble, I just threw it in my plastic bag.

If ALL your tanks are like that ......

Check with the vendor, or in here for a solution - maybe boiling in water to dissolve gumminess or something.
Let me know if this is the actual problem.

 

[Berylanna]

I tried to press the post from the outside bottom (it's a Vision 3.5 ml pyrex tank) and it doesn't move. Do I have to take it apart to test?

 

[ctruth]

I tried to press the post from the outside bottom (it's a Vision 3.5 ml pyrex tank) and it doesn't move. Do I have to take it apart to test?

Great! No SLP. So much for that theory.

OK. The juice is leaking through (or around) the atty in order for it to get to, and exit from the two air holes on the bottom cap stem. That much we can be sure of.

Here again, I am in virgin territory - but we're gonna get through this!

Common problems that lead to gurgling and flooding (and [theoretically] leaking) are:

1) The atty is not screwed in completely (not really, really tight) but finger snug.
2) Screwing the tank onto the battery to tightly (just barely finger snug)
3) Juice that is too thin (kerosene effect)
4) Juice that is too thick (molasses effect)
5) Too much voltage (my atty's are 1.4 - 1.8 ohm @ 3.2V
6) Damaged atty OR damaged tank tube/stem OR missing gaskets

NOW..

a) How many VN tanks do you have?
b) How many tanks are leaking?
c) Do you rebuild your attys?

If we can't solve this problem - I may need to PM you with my address so you can send me the faulty tank(s).
Sorry to be persistent, but this sort of negative feedback concerning my beloved Vision Vivi Nova tanks, "Gets my blood up!", as the Limeys would say .

Richard

 

[Berylanna]

Great! No SLP. So much for that theory.

OK. The juice is leaking through (or around) the atty in order for it to get to, and exit from the two air holes on the bottom cap stem. That much we can be sure of.

Here again, I am in virgin territory - but we're gonna get through this!

Common problems that lead to gurgling and flooding (and [theoretically] leaking) are:

1) The atty is not screwed in completely (not really, really tight) but finger snug.
2) Screwing the tank onto the battery to tightly (just barely finger snug)
3) Juice that is too thin (kerosene effect)
4) Juice that is too thick (molasses effect)
5) Too much voltage (my atty's are 1.4 - 1.8 ohm @ 3.2V
6) Damaged atty OR damaged tank tube/stem OR missing gaskets

NOW..

a) How many VN tanks do you have?
b) How many tanks are leaking?
c) Do you rebuild your attys?

If we can't solve this problem - I may need to PM you with my address so you can send me the faulty tank(s).
Sorry to be persistent, but this sort of negative feedback concerning my beloved Vision Vivi Nova tanks, "Gets my blood up!", as the Limeys would say .

Richard

I have a half-a zillion since they are also my favorites. The SEVERE leakage only comes from the Pyrex one with dual coils. I'll take it apart tomorrow and try a couple of different kinds of heads.

But I have a mixture of multiple purchases from all different vendors and a purchase of some used ones, which I tried to quarantine but now they're pretty mixed-up.

I also need to re-try the very oldest ones that have NO metal on the tanks to see if I can find a good sample of that, but my friends think those tanks are gross, which is why I've been trying so hard to make the windowed tanks work.

I'm thinking maybe I should just find a plain clear one that works and paint nail polish on the outside and make my own windows.

I do NOT have the problem unless I have either pressure or temperature changes but in summer in California that is multiple times per day. Car to house. Car to work. Outside vaping to AC in the office. You get the picture.

I have rebuilt a few but I don't get very consistent resistance and it's very time-consuming. So I save them all in case of Dooming. Been so long since I used one I rebuilt that I don't remember leakage.

It does help to remember to unscrew it from the battery at night and put it upside-down in a jar.

 

[PaulBHC]

From around 80 inside to 100-120 outside I find that bottom coil vacuum toppers can't handle it. I also drive with big altitude changes that change the pressure. I had hoped that top coils like vivi novas and i30 would not have this problem. I still get the condensation that ends up in the tip and running out the bottom. Only thing that doesn't leak are genesis tanks kept upright. I wick with cotton.

 

[iamthevoice]

My Aerotank Mega and Mini never flood or gurgle and neither do my Evods. I do have a PT3 that gets a lot of condensation under the drip tip but that's all! My iJust BCC has been causing me some issues though, with juice coming back up the chimney almost every time. I've taken the whole thing apart, cleaned and inspected the o-rings, kept it full or as close to, tried fully closed to fully open airflow, higher voltage, lower voltage, new atomizer coil and .... Still does it!

I feel for you as I imagine it is very frustrating! I know I get a little frustrated with my ijust, as it worked perfectly the first couple days I had it! Keep trying and keep asking, you'll find your solution!