Floridas Constitutional Amendment #9 IDIOTS!

[NicotineRush]

9.
PROHIBITS OFFSHORE OIL AND GAS DRILLING; PROHIBITS vaping IN ENCLOSED INDOOR WORKPLACES

Prohibits drilling for the exploration or extraction of oil and natural gas
beneath all state
owned waters between the mean high water line and the state’s outermost
territorial boundaries. Adds use of vapor generating electronic devices to current prohibition of tobacco smoking in enclosed indoor workplaces with exceptions; permits more restrictive local
ordinances.

Who are the idiots that attached vaping to an oil and gas amendment! Freaking idiots! Nobody wants offshore drilling so guess what's going to happen to indoor vaping here in Fl.?

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Who are the idiots that attached vaping to an oil and gas amendment!

Poli(s) that wanted something passed that probably wouldn't get passed unless sneaked in. Happens all the time.

 

[stols001]

Yes, that is the oldest trick in the book. Most folks have NO CLUE what is attached in amendments to a bill, so that is where sneaky, underhanded stuff gets shoved, that is totally unrelated to the actual bill being passed. Lobbyists "help" their congress persons with that issue, also (as if they need any help).

Another great trick (when dealing with budgets) is the great "I will shut the government down" trick that our legislators enjoy playing. Gets a lot of "controversial spending" through a budget because everyone LIKES the idea of you know, sitting at home not getting paid, but in some positions you also have to KEEP WORKING and not get paid, so it's like pretty dire but a very effective threat and whomever is holding up the process and calmly stating "I haven't achieved enough graft" yet, like, maybe just accepts a little less graft because they know their "district" of mailmen will come kill them and or whatever.

The more I learn about politics, the more I'm like "How does this thing work at all how on earth are we all NOT DEAD yet?????" and I genuinely mean it, like, I always considered the human state precarious, but why more governments are not overthrown especially in the US, well, I mean things have gotten PRETTY BAD. Etc.

Anna

 

[Beamslider]

Why do they allow more than one subject in a ballot initiative?

This one from the California initiative routine. While we end up will 50 on the ballot. Only one subject and no cute gaming like that

The initiative is the power of the people of California to propose statutes and to propose amendments to the California Constitution. (Cal. Const., art. II, § 8(a).) Generally, any matter that is a proper subject of legislation can become an initiative measure; however, no initiative measure addressing more than one subject area may be submitted to the voters or have any effect. (Cal. Const., art. II, §§ 8(d), 12.) An initiative measure is placed on the ballot after its proponents successfully satisfy the requirements described in this guide and it is certified by the Secretary of State on the 131st day before a statewide general election.

 

[Izan]

9.
PROHIBITS OFFSHORE OIL AND GAS DRILLING; PROHIBITS VAPING IN ENCLOSED INDOOR WORKPLACES

Prohibits drilling for the exploration or extraction of oil and natural gas
beneath all state
owned waters between the mean high water line and the state’s outermost
territorial boundaries. Adds use of vapor generating electronic devices to current prohibition of tobacco smoking in enclosed indoor workplaces with exceptions; permits more restrictive local
ordinances.

Who are the idiots that attached vaping to an oil and gas amendment! Freaking idiots! Nobody wants offshore drilling so guess what's going to happen to indoor vaping here in Fl.?

Oh that wasn't cheap!
Follow the money.

Cheers
I

 

[NicotineRush]

Poli(s) that wanted something passed that probably wouldn't get passed unless sneaked in. Happens all the time.

Yeah, I know. Just ...... me off when I saw it!

 

[Myk]

The whole law would be thrown out in IL. We can't have unrelated items like that in bills. One good thing about IL lawmaking.

 

[Ipster]

The whole law would be thrown out in IL. We can't have unrelated items like that in bills. One good thing about IL lawmaking.

LOL, may be true, just not going to include the law makers.
Cheers

 

[Myk]

LOL, may be true, just not going to include the law makers.
Cheers

THE one good thing about IL lawmaking.

 

[Ipster]

THE one good thing about IL lawmaking.

Just wosh theyd find some middle ground? IL bounces b/t extremes>
We’re either locking them up as over the top crooks
-OR-
Best ‘O the Best
Like Tammy Duckworth, Barack Obama...just ready to respect political diffs.
Ive always been linked to downstate horse country (solid Dems)

 

[MacTechVpr]

My remarks and news on the thread…It's Offical On November Ballot - FL Constitutional Amendment #9 - YEA or NAE | Page 1 | Post #13…would criminalize vaping in the workplace without a foundational definition equating vaping to smoking by FL legislature. This end run to steamroller an uninformed public opinion would set a very bad precedent for us all.

Good luck.

 

[SlowTalker]

This doesn't surprise me coming from Florida. I was visiting my folks last Christmas and we went to an outdoor flea market. There were no vaping signs posted everywhere. At an OUTDOOR market. If you wanted to vape (or smoke) you had to do it in the parking lot.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Ballot today…

Florida Amendment 9, Ban Offshore Oil and Gas Drilling and Ban Vaping in Enclosed Indoor Workplaces Amendment (2018)

You know what to do. Remind others.

Good luck.

 

[classwife]

Welp...


glad my office has a door

 

[MacTechVpr]

Pathetic. We all just got along when it was all about the vape. The last thing in the world a bureaucratic gov wants to see is community. We're top to bottom broke in America. And news flash, gov ain't gonna fix it.

Despite the language barring vaping in the "workplace", here's how Florida Today is already referring to it…

The second part of the amendment prohibits the indoor use of e-cigarettes and vaping devices. The amendment doesn’t restrict use of these devices inside private residences (unless they’re used for child or health care) nor in standalone bars or hotel rooms where smoking is allowed.

In other words, the legislature will have to specifically define the exceptions, e.g. by calling it smoking, effectively reinforcing the correlation to tobacco. It's foreseeable I think that every and any jurisdiction may undertake to codify specific restriction in the absence of specific allowances of "smoking", riding on the coattails of this amendment. So a ban is now permissible…with the State of Florida never having defined that vaping is tobacco, the harm or public interest. I have little doubt that this amendment will be undertaken as the precedent to bar all vaping (except as they permit) in the longterm as I suggested variously since its announcement.

They own us. But only by the deceptive and unlawful manner in which they achieve it.

Good luck all.

 

[bombastinator]

Ballot today…

Florida Amendment 9, Ban Offshore Oil and Gas Drilling and Ban Vaping in Enclosed Indoor Workplaces Amendment (2018)

You know what to do. Remind others.

Good luck.

I do indeed. I will continue to make Florida jokes.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I do indeed. I will continue to make Florida jokes.

Your credibility, prestige and notoriety would be well served.

We are mucking up paradise.

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Why do they allow more than one subject in a ballot initiative?

Only the Constitution Revision Commission may "bundle" proposals as citizen sponsored initiatives may not. A single round of public hearings were scheduled on very short public notice here. Then it was buried stalled in committee per the website until close to election time. The ensuing court challenges affecting this amendment were ultimately hasty, narrow in scope and mostly focused on the legality of bundling and not the substance of this particular amendment to my reading. Frankly they very well should have been considered even on the drilling. But offshore drilling is such a hot button issue to us Floridians I don't think most of us would stop seeing red long enough to read beyond the title. And I think this was the intent.

This was one of the most blatant blind sided political attacks on the public I've ever seen I think since the income tax and federal reserve. Oh crikey, did I just imply it was all about the money?

I would hope someday America would return to lawful government to acknowledge that such law creation is clearly unconstitutional in its violation of the property right. That the State is not all powerful. But it will take us realizing that our neighbor is equal in their rights. That would be true egalitarianism and not the unprincipled theoretical .......ized government we are experimenting with.

Good luck.

 

[puffon]

Link to actual amendment (page 16):
https://dos.myflorida.com/media/699824/constitutional-amendments-2018-general-election-english.pdf

 

[bombastinator]

Your credibility, prestige and notoriety would be well served.

We are mucking up paradise.

Good luck.

Well, I have none at all of the first two, and an unknown amount of the last so I guess there’s nowhere to go but up!