It's Offical On November Ballot - FL Constitutional Amendment #9 - YEA or NAE

[Uncle]

FYI:

Okay it's official, there is a FL Constitutional Amendment on the November ballot that we will need to heavily consider to either prevent or allow Off Shore Drilling and Ban vaping Indoors Workplaces . . . It will also, "permits more restrictive local vapor ordinances."

Amendment 9, Prohibits Offshore Oil and Gas Drilling; Prohibits vaping in Enclosed Indoor Workplaces, would tether a ban on oil and gas drilling in state-owned waters with a proposal to add vaping to the ban on smoking indoors.

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[MacTechVpr]

Don't get it @Uncle. How's this on the ballot at all. It was tabled in committee back in May as I recall (and I got no further updates of the official registry). Is this more of the prevalent "agitation" we're seeing from top to bottom?

Proposal 0065 (2017)

Curious also how it's even possible for them to piggy-back such on article on a constitutional amendment unless the FLC actually provides for it.

Things in America are getting redic.

Good luck.

 

[stols001]

Offshore drilling goes with vaping indoors in no one's mind. It's like a man needs a woman like a fish needs a bicycle. I never understood that saying, I'm afraid. Fish don't even have the OPTION of pedaling there are several problems with that analogy and it makes me mad every time I mean I'm like, "Just be clear! Just be independent!"

That saying actually makes me feel like I need a "man" to decode it for me, if anything at all. I'm like "Complex analogy, it must be math or something! I better ask this random dude on the street here."

I mean I know fish don't NEED anything, but I was under the impression that fish don't even know they have NEEDS at all they're not very complex entities as far as I could tell. We did have one fun fish for a few years who was always leaping out of his tank so aggressively that we had to put a screen on it, and then he got large enough that he dislodged the screen and we came home to dead fish on the carpet. That's the only fish I thought had much personality but most of them aren't finding nemo material, frankly.

Perhaps that's it. It's a sideways dig a dudes, only the way it's stated (order wise) it's like a sideways dig at women for being dumb, exactly like fish. Women just need to be fed and watered, they shouldn't have access to transportation and you better put a screen on the cage.

I hate this country sometimes and that vote is going to suck. I'm glad I'm not voting it because I might vote for the offshore drilling.

Anna

 

[MacTechVpr]

Offshore drilling goes with vaping indoors in no one's mind. It's like a man needs a woman like a fish needs a bicycle. I never understood that saying, I'm afraid. Fish don't even have the OPTION of pedaling there are several problems with that analogy and it makes me mad every time I mean I'm like, "Just be clear! Just be independent!"

That saying actually makes me feel like I need a "man" to decode it for me, if anything at all. I'm like "Complex analogy, it must be math or something! I better ask this random dude on the street here."

I mean I know fish don't NEED anything, but I was under the impression that fish don't even know they have NEEDS at all they're not very complex entities as far as I could tell. We did have one fun fish for a few years who was always leaping out of his tank so aggressively that we had to put a screen on it, and then he got large enough that he dislodged the screen and we came home to dead fish on the carpet. That's the only fish I thought had much personality but most of them aren't finding nemo material, frankly.

Perhaps that's it. It's a sideways dig a dudes, only the way it's stated (order wise) it's like a sideways dig at women for being dumb, exactly like fish. Women just need to be fed and watered, they shouldn't have access to transportation and you better put a screen on the cage.

I hate this country sometimes and that vote is going to suck. I'm glad I'm not voting it because I might vote for the offshore drilling.

Anna

Just happened to notice this because I always believed that FL has been pretty faithful to process. But I should know better when they hoodwinked Dade County back in the 90's with a constitutional amendment increasing tolls used ultimately to build a turnpike extension in Broward (Sawgrass) when the Constition prescribed collecting revenues in one county to use elsewhere.

That most delicious of all privileges — spending other people's money.
—John Randolph of Roanoke

Good luck.

 

[Zipslack]

Simple...don't try to be Californians. Vote for the drilling. Let the Cali people be the crazy eco-freaks and Floridians be just normal Florida-crazy.

Disclaimer: I grew up in Florida (Tampa Bay) during my early childhood...glad I got out when I did.

 

[Uncle]

Don't get it @Uncle. How's this on the ballot at all. It was tabled in committee back in May as I recall (and I got no further updates of the official registry). Is this more of the prevalent "agitation" we're seeing from top to bottom?

Proposal 0065 (2017)

Curious also how it's even possible for them to piggy-back such on article on a constitutional amendment unless the FLC actually provides for it.

Things in America are getting redic.

Good luck.

Well - You are correct it was "tabled" for awhile back then when it was first considered. So - I don't get it either, but it has happened. IMHO - They have combined it with a amendment that actually should pass. Matter of fact, there are 13 Amendments in all, but they will NEED a 60% majority to pass . . . Here is a list of all the FL Constitutional Amendments on the November Ballot this year:

https://dos.myflorida.com/media/699824/constitutional-amendments-2018-general-election-english.pdf


Read More Here:

Constitutional Amendments - Division of Elections - Florida Department of State

Constitution Revision Commission

Poll confirms ‘voter fatigue’ fears over 13 constitutional amendments on November ballot


BTW: Here is Fl State Consitution as it stands now: The Florida Constitution - The Florida Senate

 

[MacTechVpr]

Simple...don't try to be Californians. Vote for the drilling. Let the Cali people be the crazy eco-freaks and Floridians be just normal Florida-crazy.

Disclaimer: I grew up in Florida (Tampa Bay) during my early childhood...glad I got out when I did.

I felt that way too 'till I realized as I grew older just how much a paradise it was.

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Well - You are correct it was "tabled" for awhile back then when it was first considered. So - I don't get it either, but it has happened. IMHO - They have combined it with a amendment that actually should pass. Matter of fact, there are 13 Amendments in all, but they will NEED a 60% majority to pass . . . Here is a list of all the FL Constitutional Amendments on the November Ballot this year:

https://dos.myflorida.com/media/699824/constitutional-amendments-2018-general-election-english.pdf


Read More Here:

Constitutional Amendments - Division of Elections - Florida Department of State

Constitution Revision Commission

Poll confirms ‘voter fatigue’ fears over 13 constitutional amendments on November ballot


BTW: Here is Fl State Consitution as it stands now: The Florida Constitution - The Florida Senate

If this is the law, then we are lawless. Far be it for the Sun-Sentinel to report it (the breach of process).

Good luck.

p.s. None of your links are live to me.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Got to the fatigue article. Seems they can't even agree on just how many votes were cast for it. Funny since it would appear the Committee didn't even meet to vote. So I guess they must be drafting this sh!!t in the outhouse over a few beers up there in Tallahassee.

Good luck.

 

[Uncle]

Far be it for the Sun-Sentinel to report it (the breach of process).

Actually, They did report about the possibility . . . Matter of fact, I created a Thread when it was happening (which is now closed) and posted a link to the article here: FL ALERT: Florida Constitution Revision Commission

 

[puffon]

Looks like this "bundling amendments" is being challenged:
Florida Supreme Court asked to block constitutional amendments

 

[MacTechVpr]

Looks like this "bundling amendments" is being challenged:
Florida Supreme Court asked to block constitutional amendments

Thanks puff. What the hell happened to Florida's sunshine laws? We are seeing things the likes of which I would never have imagined (except I unfortunately do).

"The Supreme Court gave the state until 5 p.m. Monday to reply to the petition."

Note that the Chair, Brecht Heuchan, of the drafting comm which tabled in May is also the co-sponsor of both the anti-vaping and anti-drilling measures. Now of course in a glut of oil from domestic production we naturally are overwhelmed with oil co's trying to drill here. That's why the funny papers are filled with histrionic headlines on the topic. So this has nothing to do with vaping. Nada, I tell you. By the by, this guy's on the Ethics and Elections comm as well. All the doorstops. Can you beat that?

It's clear to me we do need a constitutional amendment — that the CRC abide by the same public disclosure and access requirements as any other committee. My reasoned expectation is that they are bound, simply out of order and absent the authority.

Then this is just another effort just like at the fed level to skirt the need for lawful definition which would impossibly equate vaping with smoking. Such efforts have failed in FL in the past. This however would set a constitutional benchmark negating the state legislature's preemptive authority, at least on this aspect of tobacco issues. And in practice, relegating potentially an unfettered authority to whom? Every and any jurisdiction right down to your condo board? Who can predict what ultimate law might ensue to conflate the private vs. communal property interest.

Now to find out how this plays out going forward. There was a time long ago when I was more familiar with FLSC's procedures. These days any help or advice would be appreciated.

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Further to my position above, some details here…

"Amendment 9 — Prohibits Offshore Oil and Gas Drilling; Prohibits Vaping in Enclosed Indoor Workplaces."

"Anstead, who served on the Supreme Court 1994-2009, on Tuesday filed a petition with the court for a writ of ‘quo warranto,’ a court action against government officials to demand they prove their authority to perform a certain action — in this case, against Secretary of State KenDetzner, Florida’s “chief election officer.”

Former Supreme Court justice challenges constitutional amendments
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/271727-supreme-court-amendments

Where has ethical government gone?

GBY Honerable Judge Anstead.

Good luck.

p.s. Still searching for news or conduit regarding the answer to the subject petition. Any info would be appreciated here.

 

[ScottP]

ethical government

HAHAHAHAHA

That is like Bigfoot or Nessie, many people believe in it, some people even claim to have seen it, but it never really existed in the first place.

 

[ScottP]

Someone needs to show the entirety of the Florida population the recent UK Government report on E-cigarettes

 

[MacTechVpr]

Someone needs to show the entirety of the Florida population the recent UK Government report on E-cigarettes

Florida population is rather tolerant generally. And I've always vaped freely here most anywhere with due regard. So I had hopes early on it would become the next Cali, even a broader expression of the vape lounge experience. But you're right. Instead, most don't know that EPA, CDC, ad nauseum have pretty much conceded that there's no ambient risk to vaping. There are just too many pro's smokin the fable in public view.

As to vapers, we need to stop walkin around as if we were criminals. To have choice discredited, demeaned and denied by our silent absence where we should defend the right and principle of property. There's no stash or bunker impervious to the devious ambitions of the wicked.

Good luck.

 

[untar]

Maybe they're smarter than we think. Maybe vaping outside keeps the gators away

 

[classwife]

And it's going to the vote this way - what a crock.
Constitutional Revision...
CR Amendment 9 Environment Bans offshore oil and gas drilling and vaping in enclosed indoor workplaces

I have always been 'green' and mindful of ecology...but this one is a big fat NO.


Let all of your Florida friends and family know about this.

 

[r77r7r]

Nowhere along the way did someone ask for proof that vaping is hazardous for bystanders?

 

[MacTechVpr]

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