For that wick above your using ss mesh? Or cable with silica wrapped around it?
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Looks like ss mesh with 1mm silica inside, that's what I'm thinking. I was thinking of silica or eco, in the wick with cotton around it to help prevent flood/dry hits.
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Do you think that up to 500 mesh would matter? How many wraps of mesh are around the wick, how tight? Thanks I can't wait to try it like that.
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I used about 1.5 inches of mesh with this. I used a trick I learned from a buddy. Before you roll it, dump some juice on it and set it on fire a couple times. This makes it sticky so when you roll it, it won't fray out and it will also hug the silica really well. This method also eliminates tons of potential hotspots, as you can see some of my coils aren't even touching the wick and it still glows evenly.
I haven't used 500 mesh in a really long time, so I'm not too sure on how much is needed to get a nice wick that fits in those grooves well. I'd assume about an inch to start out with, then experiment from there.
Let me know how it goes!
I haven't used 500 mesh in a really long time, so I'm not too sure on how much is needed to get a nice wick that fits in those grooves well. I'd assume about an inch to start out with, then experiment from there.
Let me know how it goes!
I just recently got some 250 ss mesh for a genesis and I like it a lot more than the 400 I was using. Seeing mavric's post is inspiring me to try something like his build now, where as I'd never considered ss actually working, despite the crappy wick it comes with having one.
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My Fogger actually crapped out on my this morning. I put a higher PG juice in it last night to let it settle in and woke up to a leaked mess under it. No bueno. I might try rebuilding it this weekend but I traded my Romuluz for a Squape today and it's making me smile huge. Poor Fogger might be going into the "don't use anymore" bin. Was a good atty while it worked though!
I have an ecowool build that's been going strong for 6 days and 20 ml or so through it with not a single dry hit, and no gurgles/floods, 50/50 juice, one of the best builds I have had and can be chain vaped like mad.
I will get some pics a bit later today when tanks empty.
I will get some pics a bit later today when tanks empty.
Is your ekowool hollow or filled & what size, 3mm? Thanks!
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That would be awesome, I'm about to this build so pointers and pics would be great.
I've done this http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/schnarph/5244-fogger-v2-vertical-coil-cotton-ball-wick-part-1.html
and part 2 http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/schnarph/5245-fogger-v2-vertical-coil-cotton-ball-wick-part-2.html
Note: that's a little too much cotton, and I have since switched to degummed hemp fiber. The coil itself is fine, getting exactly the right amount of wick in the holes is the hard part for me. YMMV
and part 2 http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/schnarph/5245-fogger-v2-vertical-coil-cotton-ball-wick-part-2.html
Note: that's a little too much cotton, and I have since switched to degummed hemp fiber. The coil itself is fine, getting exactly the right amount of wick in the holes is the hard part for me. YMMV
Is your ekowool hollow or filled & what size, 3mm? Thanks!
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My ecowool is hollow, 1.5mm, which is closer to 3mm in regular silica. ( I belive the 1.5mm measurement is the inside hole if it was stretched out to its max? Not sure.) It does not look hollow, but if you carefully guide something through the middle of it, you find it is hollow. I will elaborate on this a little further when I post my build pics.
Glad to see some interest on this, I will get it taken apart and some pics up here in the next hour or so.
I probably won't re-coil /wick it though, just take it apart, pics, dryburn, pics, put it back together and make sure it's still vaping right.
This build has blown me away, and has really shown me what the Fogger is capable of. I havn't touch my KFL much at all in the last 5 days, and have just been using the Fogger.
I find the Fogger is more capable of wicking lots of juice, granted thats what makes it tough to build, but when built right, its also what gives it phenomenal ability to chain vape at high watts.
I will be back in a bit with some pics.
Ok, I am gonna dump a bunch of pics from my phone, then edit the post and add some information from my computer, heres the pics, check back in a few for information on it.
Ok, first of all, I broke my original Fogger glass, and found an old plastic carto tank I had happened to have the same inside diameter as the Fogger Glass. So I cut it down to the right height, and slapped some o-rings on the outside for looks, and bam my Fogger is back in action with a durable plastic tank. And I think it looks kinda cool
Second, this is a relatively high ohm build, 2.8 ohm, and I run it on a DNA 20 device that can push it nice and hard. I specifically made this for something that can push more then 5 volts, and it really shines when your just under 6 volts / 11.5 watts. I wanted something that could be chain vaped like mad and not dry up, and this does exactly that!
Third, it seems like everyone is switching to cotton these days, and I haven't really given it more then a single attempt yet (tasted like moldy socks), but in general I really like the durability of silica based wicks, and personally have never been able to "taste" silica, at all. Ecowool is silica on steroids, love it.
I think the Fogger really can be made to excel when it comes to chain vaping, because it's design allows for a TON of juice flow. This is really what messes people up I think, it is easy to have it flood like crazy, but if you keep this in mind, and do your build to suit it, it can be a super duper vape!
Something like a KFL, is much more restricted in juice flow, and that makes it easier to build right, and much less temperamental, less room for error. I like both units, and own both, but the Fogger sees a whole lot more use lately, simply cause I can vape it like a mad man and it never goes dry, my KFL I have to be more careful when chain vaping at high watts.
Here is a view of one of the wick holes, through the tank, there is not much coming out, just a few strands of the center wick that goes through the coil.
Other wick channel.
Tank off, looking at wick coming out of channel, very little.
Same thing, other side.
Chimney removed, the lighting in these photos makes it look dirtyer than it is.
You can see I have quite a bit of Ecowool in there, you are seeing a piece layed over the top of the coil, kinda like how kanger uses an extra piece that people refer to as a "flavor wick". I have it laying diagonally across the coil, and stuffed down into the cup, in the gaps around the wick channels. I did this to mop up any excess liquid that gets in there, before it gets to the air tube and leaks out.
Same thing.
Here I have just lifted the extra piece of ecowool that is drapped over the coil, just enough to see the coil.
Here is the top wick plucked out, it is just long enough to lay over the coil, and touch the bottom of the cup on either side.
Here is the coil and main wick, you can see where the wick has been stuffed back into the cup through the channels, its nice and bunched up around the channels, more on that later...
What I do when building this, is stick a pice of 1 mm or less stiff rod through the center of the 1.5 mm eco wool, then wrapped 30 guage kanthal nice and tight around it, stick the whole assembley in the fogger, with the rod and wick comming out the wick channels, holding the coil in place nicely, tighten down the screws, pull out the rod, clip the ecowool to about 1.5mm sticking out each channel. Lay the top wick piece over the top, then I wet it down real good with some pg/vg/juice whatever. This allows you to stuff the top wick down in the cup and it will stay.
Then the chimney goes on, and I stuff the wick that is coming out of the channels on either side, back into the chimney, so that the channels are not jam packed, have a little coming out, but most of it stuffed back in the cup. Helps to have the wick nice and wet when stuffing it in.
The key to controlling the juice flow rate is how densely packed the actual wick channel itself is, if you don't seem to be wicking enough, stick a needle through the wick channels so that its a little more open in there, if your getting flooding, pull some of it back into the wick channels so that it is more dense in there.
I do NOT use the o-ring inside the tank over the wick channels.
I decided not to dry burn this coil, and cannot believe how nice and clean it still looks. I have put probably 20ml+ through this coil/wick build, at 11 - 12 watts, amazing!
Granted I use pretty clean juices, but still I am surprised, that tells me that it has been keeping that coil nice and saturated, even through out my high wattage chain vapeathons.
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Ok, first of all, I broke my original Fogger glass, and found an old plastic carto tank I had happened to have the same inside diameter as the Fogger Glass. So I cut it down to the right height, and slapped some o-rings on the outside for looks, and bam my Fogger is back in action with a durable plastic tank. And I think it looks kinda cool
Second, this is a relatively high ohm build, 2.8 ohm, and I run it on a DNA 20 device that can push it nice and hard. I specifically made this for something that can push more then 5 volts, and it really shines when your just under 6 volts / 11.5 watts. I wanted something that could be chain vaped like mad and not dry up, and this does exactly that!
Third, it seems like everyone is switching to cotton these days, and I haven't really given it more then a single attempt yet (tasted like moldy socks), but in general I really like the durability of silica based wicks, and personally have never been able to "taste" silica, at all. Ecowool is silica on steroids, love it.
I think the Fogger really can be made to excel when it comes to chain vaping, because it's design allows for a TON of juice flow. This is really what messes people up I think, it is easy to have it flood like crazy, but if you keep this in mind, and do your build to suit it, it can be a super duper vape!
Something like a KFL, is much more restricted in juice flow, and that makes it easier to build right, and much less temperamental, less room for error. I like both units, and own both, but the Fogger sees a whole lot more use lately, simply cause I can vape it like a mad man and it never goes dry, my KFL I have to be more careful when chain vaping at high watts.
Here is a view of one of the wick holes, through the tank, there is not much coming out, just a few strands of the center wick that goes through the coil.
Other wick channel.
Tank off, looking at wick coming out of channel, very little.
Same thing, other side.
Chimney removed, the lighting in these photos makes it look dirtyer than it is.
You can see I have quite a bit of Ecowool in there, you are seeing a piece layed over the top of the coil, kinda like how kanger uses an extra piece that people refer to as a "flavor wick". I have it laying diagonally across the coil, and stuffed down into the cup, in the gaps around the wick channels. I did this to mop up any excess liquid that gets in there, before it gets to the air tube and leaks out.
Same thing.
Here I have just lifted the extra piece of ecowool that is drapped over the coil, just enough to see the coil.
Here is the top wick plucked out, it is just long enough to lay over the coil, and touch the bottom of the cup on either side.
Here is the coil and main wick, you can see where the wick has been stuffed back into the cup through the channels, its nice and bunched up around the channels, more on that later...
What I do when building this, is stick a pice of 1 mm or less stiff rod through the center of the 1.5 mm eco wool, then wrapped 30 guage kanthal nice and tight around it, stick the whole assembley in the fogger, with the rod and wick comming out the wick channels, holding the coil in place nicely, tighten down the screws, pull out the rod, clip the ecowool to about 1.5mm sticking out each channel. Lay the top wick piece over the top, then I wet it down real good with some pg/vg/juice whatever. This allows you to stuff the top wick down in the cup and it will stay.
Then the chimney goes on, and I stuff the wick that is coming out of the channels on either side, back into the chimney, so that the channels are not jam packed, have a little coming out, but most of it stuffed back in the cup. Helps to have the wick nice and wet when stuffing it in.
The key to controlling the juice flow rate is how densely packed the actual wick channel itself is, if you don't seem to be wicking enough, stick a needle through the wick channels so that its a little more open in there, if your getting flooding, pull some of it back into the wick channels so that it is more dense in there.
I do NOT use the o-ring inside the tank over the wick channels.
I decided not to dry burn this coil, and cannot believe how nice and clean it still looks. I have put probably 20ml+ through this coil/wick build, at 11 - 12 watts, amazing!
Granted I use pretty clean juices, but still I am surprised, that tells me that it has been keeping that coil nice and saturated, even through out my high wattage chain vapeathons.
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I have ran a ton of juice through that set up by now, and today decided to tear it down and re coil it, mostly because I got an ultrasonic cleaner recently and wanted to give the fogger a deep clean.
I did basically the same thing I described above, but this time I used 28 guage kanthal, I wrapped it with tight touching coils, unlike the previous build which were loosely spaced. This one came out at 1.8 ohm.
Another thing I did differently was I left the top "flavor wick" out, I just ran the main wick through the coil, and through the channels, and stuffed it back into the cup with the chimney screwed on.
I used a little more wick then before, instead of a couple mm sticking out each channel, I had probably half an inch on each side sticking out, then stuffed it all back in so that none was sticking out.
Working great, as well as previous, maybe better, to early yet to tell though.
Anyone else tried a similar build yet?
I did basically the same thing I described above, but this time I used 28 guage kanthal, I wrapped it with tight touching coils, unlike the previous build which were loosely spaced. This one came out at 1.8 ohm.
Another thing I did differently was I left the top "flavor wick" out, I just ran the main wick through the coil, and through the channels, and stuffed it back into the cup with the chimney screwed on.
I used a little more wick then before, instead of a couple mm sticking out each channel, I had probably half an inch on each side sticking out, then stuffed it all back in so that none was sticking out.
Working great, as well as previous, maybe better, to early yet to tell though.
Anyone else tried a similar build yet?
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Im doing the same with 2mm braided ekowool clipped against chimney nothing sticking out then i take a piece of kanthal and poke the wick back in the cup through the juice holes. I get perfect amount of juice flow no flooding gurgles no dry hits for about a week i think so far. I fill from top to the brim with juice too no problems but i unscrew the fill screw and pop the top off to fill with my juice bottle. This thing uses so much juice like crazy amount of juice i fill 3-4x a day but i also lowered my nic to 4mg so im chain vaping alot
Earlier today I received my kayfun 31 and using ekowool im getting a much cleaner taste than the fogger. super easy to build. Only thing im doing different with the kf setup is the doubling of the eko wick by folding it in half with larger touching coils. I do a dry burn and squeeze the coils together tightly so its as close to a micro coil as i can get it. The draw is tight but im really enjoying it.
Im loving these rbas i haven't vaped my Genesis style rbas even with dual coils n ss cable wicks which i used for many months. Already have anther kf and fogger coming. And I'm loving ekowool although mines not hollow it's braided, its so awesome i don't have to do maintenance every 2 days. A week of chain vapes and vape quality and performance is still excellent.
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Earlier today I received my kayfun 31 and using ekowool im getting a much cleaner taste than the fogger. super easy to build. Only thing im doing different with the kf setup is the doubling of the eko wick by folding it in half with larger touching coils. I do a dry burn and squeeze the coils together tightly so its as close to a micro coil as i can get it. The draw is tight but im really enjoying it.
Im loving these rbas i haven't vaped my Genesis style rbas even with dual coils n ss cable wicks which i used for many months. Already have anther kf and fogger coming. And I'm loving ekowool although mines not hollow it's braided, its so awesome i don't have to do maintenance every 2 days. A week of chain vapes and vape quality and performance is still excellent.
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Yea I kinda go back and forth on my KFL vs Fogger, and recently rebuilt my KFL and it is working close to as well as the fogger, built it pretty much as you described there. But still it seems to me the KFL can't quite be chain vaped like the fogger, maybe I just havn't nailed the build yet.
I am pretty sure all eko-wool is "braided hollow", try sticking a paper clip carefully through the center, mine doesn't look hollow, but it is.
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