Fogger V4!!

[BNEAT]

So quick question: my wimpy wicks (in a 1/16 id coil) works fine with my 50pg and my 70pg juices at 20 watts. They start getting burnt when I go up to 25 watts. I'm looking to use a wider coil, but I've found that the juice channel gets pretty clogged up even if I use a conservative amount of cotton for a 2ish mm inner diameter coil. Anyone has a recommendation/solution for that? Was wondering if it would work if I just use a short wick with a fat turf of cotton at the ends such that I don't actually have cotton down the channels

My best build so far is 28ga, 1.5mm (.059") 12 wraps stretched tightly (.78 ohms) and a ridiculously small amount of cotton! (I thought for sure it was going to leak) I'm trying to wick 100%VG at +20watts, and it's working pretty good. I was tempted to start opening up the juice channels, but this last build has me thinking otherwise. I took a couple of 30watt hits like this and it didn't burn anything but my lungs!

BTW, I just barely tuck the cotton in the channels after I put the chimney base on

 

[AMDTrucking]

I don't understand something. I read a lot of positive reviews and watched some review videos on Youtube. Everybody sais Version 4 is good. I have no problem using Kayfun, Flash E-Vapor, Taifun GT, Ithaka and I love Aqua except for it's low capacity. Everybody sais this Fogger V4 is like Aqua only bigger. The best of both Worlds... So I went ahead and bought two of them. Fogger V4+ one Black and one Stainless. New V4+ with Copper 510 Connector and improved Airflow ring.
I built and re-built them with Micro Coils and Cotton at low resistance for Mechanical Mods and 1.4 Ohm for Regulated Mods. I tried using Silica and Ekowool, and Cotton Yarn. I used 28 GA, 30 GA even 32 GA...

It is NOT Aqua! It is "Crap"!

Dry hits, leaking, inconsistent performance all the time. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but in my opinion it was waist of money.

Here is one of my numerous builds on it:

 

[Tbev]

Your using way to much cotton, read thru the thread, go with a smaller coil diameter which will give you less cotton then cut it off half way down the channels. It will kick asss don't worry.

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[thorn]

Thought of this from pmcode post, if anyone was wondering about my single coil over both holes, the coils got red evenly in the centers equally.

inotfat, I suggest use the proper amount of wick for the coils. For the channels, cut the wick at a diagonal so they don't clog the channels.

 

[KenD]

I don't understand something. I read a lot of positive reviews and watched some review videos on Youtube. Everybody sais Version 4 is good. I have no problem using Kayfun, Flash E-Vapor, Taifun GT, Ithaka and I love Aqua except for it's low capacity. Everybody sais this Fogger V4 is like Aqua only bigger. The best of both Worlds... So I went ahead and bought two of them. Fogger V4+ one Black and one Stainless. New V4+ with Copper 510 Connector and improved Airflow ring.
I built and re-built them with Micro Coils and Cotton at low resistance for Mechanical Mods and 1.4 Ohm for Regulated Mods. I tried using Silica and Ekowool, and Cotton Yarn. I used 28 GA, 30 GA even 32 GA...

It is NOT Aqua! It is "Crap"!

Dry hits, leaking, inconsistent performance all the time. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but in my opinion it was waist of money.

Here is one of my numerous builds on it:

Looks like too much cotton to me as well. I haven't quite gotten my wicking right yet. Let's hope that my current one will be right. A ridiculously tiny amount of cotton, with the wicks just barely going into the channels - like only touching them, seems to be what's required. I've gotten no leaking whatsoever even with the tiniest strands of cotton. I'm starting to suspect that this thing wouldn't leak even if I had no wicking at all.

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[Tbev]

It will leak, my current xc -116 build leaks but I cut it REALLY short. You just gotta cut that wick in the pic diagonal and you'll be fine.

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[EDO]

Yeah, I know, I totally get that for most setups, but I have a weird diy battery that can't go higher watts. Next time I think I'll try for dual coils at 4.0-5.0 ohms each, and with the same number of coils on both.

Making the coils 4 ohms each with 30g wire will require a regulated device that is able to push 50 watts. On an unregulated device it won't produce any vapor. For example, If you used a 1.5 drill bit to make your coils you would need about 20 wraps to get a 4 ohm coil. So to make a dual coil you would need 40 wraps. At 4.2 volts a 2 ohm coil at best will vape at 8.5 watts....how do you expect 8.5 watts to push those 40 coils and produce any vapor.

 

[Tbev]

Post a pic of your barrettes bud...

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[KenD]

Making the coils 4 ohms each with 30g wire will require a regulated device that is able to push 50 watts. On an unregulated device it won't produce any vapor. For example, If you used a 1.5 drill bit to make your coils you would need about 20 wraps to get a 4 ohm coil. So to make a dual coil you would need 40 wraps. At 4.2 volts a 2 ohm coil at best will vape at 8.5 watts....how do you expect 8.5 watts to push those 40 coils and produce any vapor.

Two 4 ohm coils amount to 2 ohms total, fully doable with any normal battery. True though that building it with 30 gauge kanthal would require a ridiculous number of wraps.

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[dwcraig1]

I'm starting to suspect that this thing wouldn't leak even if I had no wicking at all.

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A while back I built a Terminator or Hercules , i forgot, without wicks and coils to show wicks were not causing leakage.(didn't leak)
Perhaps I'll give it a shot with a v4 Fogger. I suspect that it will not leak either.

Well after getting home from work I pulled the wicks out of my silver v4 and filled it 2/3rds will pretty thin juice and puffed at it (no mod of coarse), I couldn't get it to leak in an up right position.
It did tend to leak a bit lying on it's side.
Anyway I opened it back up and Dremeled out the juice channels and re-wicked and it is on par now with my black one. Pretty big clouds from a tank.

 

[EDO]

Two 4 ohm coils amount to 2 ohms total, fully doable with any normal battery. True though that building it with 30 gauge kanthal would require a ridiculous number of wraps.

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Yes like I said in my reply.... the set up he is proposing will be a 2 ohm build total that will push 8.5 watts. My point was that 8.5 watts is not enough to push the massive amount of wire needed to build a 2 ohm dual coil with 30g wire....it won't produce any vapor in a reasonable amount of time.

 

[KenD]

Yes like I said in my reply.... the set up he is proposing will be a 2 ohm build total that will push 8.5 watts. My point was that 8.5 watts is not enough to push the massive amount of wire needed to build a 2 ohm dual coil with 30g wire....it won't produce any vapor in a reasonable amount of time.

I don't know, my old Ego could handle an iClear 16 at 2.1 ohms just fine. Thinner wire of course, so that needs to be taken into account, but I wasn't pushing as much as 8.5 watts either. Nowadays I use mechs and push between 20-30w so I wouldn't be satisfied with that setup, but I was back then.

EDIT: tested my Kayfun (single coil) and Fogger v4 (dual coil) at 8.5w on my old SVD. Far from perfect vapes, but acceptable. Could be good even if I increased my nic level. Far lower resistances on the RBAs than 2x4 ohms, but also thicker wire (26 and 28 gauge) so more mass.

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[Muggs]

Replacement glass arrived. Good replacement IMO, it's doing the job.

 

[VAscooter]

I just got in my Fogger V4 today and immediately cleaned it up and built a dual .28 gauge 9 wrap microcoil with cotton at .8. Build was actually pretty straight forward and didn't have any issues. Placed wicks just into the channels and loaded up. No flooding or dry hits so far. All I can say after the first hit at 20 watts on my Hana was Whoa! Great flavor and hit. I messed up though and put in some 12 mg juice so am going to have to replace with some 6. So far I'm pretty impressed.

 

[AMDTrucking]

Yes, you guys are right. I am using too much cotton with 2 mm micro coils. The cotton is chocked in the juice channels and is not wicking well. Here is the evidence of it: That's about an hour of use.

This time I used a ridiculously small 1.4 mm drill bit and made 17 wraps of 30 Gauge Kanthal wire. I needed about 1.2 - 1.4 Ohms to be used on Provari 15 Watts. This time I used very small amount of cotton to feed through 1.4 mm coils and put it about a half way into the juice channels as suggested above.

I've been vaping in it for an hour and so far so good. No dry hits and it is producing enough vapor and flavor to be compared with Kayfun.
Thank you everybody for your help solving this problem. I was going to dremel those juice channels bigger.

 

[EDO]

I don't know, my old Ego could handle an iClear 16 at 2.1 ohms just fine. Thinner wire of course, so that needs to be taken into account, but I wasn't pushing as much as 8.5 watts either. Nowadays I use mechs and push between 20-30w so I wouldn't be satisfied with that setup, but I was back then.

EDIT: tested my Kayfun (single coil) and Fogger v4 (dual coil) at 8.5w on my old SVD. Far from perfect vapes, but acceptable. Could be good even if I increased my nic level. Far lower resistances on the RBAs than 2x4 ohms, but also thicker wire (26 and 28 gauge) so more mass.

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"Thinner wire of course, so that needs to be taken into account"......well that makes all the difference in the world doesn't it. I guess to each their own but for me 40 wraps of 30g wire dual coil at 8.5 watts is a ridiculous set up....it is the same as running a 20 wrap 30g single coil at 4.3 watts....instead of 25-30 watts which is what would make sense. I am not sure if the guy who made the original post that I replied to has done a dual coil before.

 

[thorn]

I have not built a dual coil before but my preliminary calculations is why I went with a single coil.

 

[KenD]

"Thinner wire of course, so that needs to be taken into account"......well that makes all the difference in the world doesn't it. I guess to each their own but for me 40 wraps of 30g wire dual coil at 8.5 watts is a ridiculous set up....it is the same as running a 20 wrap 30g single coil at 4.3 watts....instead of 25-30 watts which is what would make sense. I am not sure if the guy who made the original post that I replied to has done a dual coil before.

True that. Even with a 3mm diameter for the coils 12 wraps would be needed, and 3mm coils would be near impossible to fit (not to speak of the problems with wicking that would ensue). 20-wrap coils at 1.5mm would likely be impossible to fit as well. My fingers typed before I had thought it through

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[EDO]

I have not built a dual coil before but my preliminary calculations is why I went with a single coil.

THorn the way it works with dual coils is that you have to increase the watts to push the increase in the number of coils. So, lets say your favorite set up on a mechanical is a 9 wrap single coil build using 1/16 drill bit and that comes out to 1.8ohms. To make a dual coil generally you would build two of these above described coils and stick it on the atty of your choice. Now the ohms would go down to about 0.9 ohms but that is the price of running a dual setup. You have to up your watts to vape on a dual coil set up. Now once you set it up this way you might fine tune it by adding or subtracting a coil on each side on you next build....but generally you will be vaping around half the ohms and double the watts you were with your single coil setups. My favorite single coil setup is 8 wraps around a 1/16 drill bit with 30g wire coming to 1.6 ohms...my dual coil is just two of these coils running at 0.8 ohms.

 

[VAscooter]

Yes, you guys are right. I am using too much cotton with 2 mm micro coils. The cotton is chocked in the juice channels and is not wicking well. Here is the evidence of it: That's about an hour of use.

This time I used a ridiculously small 1.4 mm drill bit and made 17 wraps of 30 Gauge Kanthal wire. I needed about 1.2 - 1.4 Ohms to be used on Provari 15 Watts. This time I used very small amount of cotton to feed through 1.4 mm coils and put it about a half way into the juice channels as suggested above.

I've been vaping in it for an hour and so far so good. No dry hits and it is producing enough vapor and flavor to be compared with Kayfun.
Thank you everybody for your help solving this problem. I was going to dremel those juice channels bigger.

Yes, less is more. I built mine today when I got it and always use less cotton than what I think I should use. After about a half a tank taste wasn't burnt but didn't have the full flavor and sort of an off taste. I rewicked and used about half of my original and what a difference it made. I probably ended up with about 1/8 or less of a cotton ball width. Much better flavor.