forbes-cancer-causing ingredients in electronic cigarettes, including a key ingredient in antifreeze
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This is interesting:
"The ban in Oregon includes an agreement by njoy to show its product doesn't cause any harm, whether or not it is subject to FDA regulation, said Ben Unger, a spokesman for the attorney general's office.
'If companies want to sell electronic cigarettes to consumers, they have to be able to prove they are safe,' added Deputy Attorney General Mary Williams."
I had no idea that there was an agreement between the manufacturers njoy and/or SE and the Oregon AG. Hopefully Mary Williams and the State have some reasonable definitions of "doesn't cause any harm" and "safe." (as opposed to something stupid like "causes ZERO harm" and "completely 100% safe")
"The ban in Oregon includes an agreement by njoy to show its product doesn't cause any harm, whether or not it is subject to FDA regulation, said Ben Unger, a spokesman for the attorney general's office.
'If companies want to sell electronic cigarettes to consumers, they have to be able to prove they are safe,' added Deputy Attorney General Mary Williams."
I had no idea that there was an agreement between the manufacturers njoy and/or SE and the Oregon AG. Hopefully Mary Williams and the State have some reasonable definitions of "doesn't cause any harm" and "safe." (as opposed to something stupid like "causes ZERO harm" and "completely 100% safe")
Ya... bout that... Haven't they proven that cigarette smoke greatly increases the risk of cancer... That would be "bad" correct?
Nothing is 100 percent completely safe. Even local tap water has traces of antibiotics and all kinds of other stuff. Even my favorite foods like tomatoes contain small traces of carcinogens and dare I say Nicotine.
What kills me about reading this article isn't so much the fact that is another one sided argument which isn't presenting the truth, but what is said in the comments. If people want to leave comments about the electronic cigarette that is great. But those fools who post up advertisements in their comments are probably the biggest idiots I have ever seen. Stop advertising on the articles and just put out your opinion. When people read these articles they don't want to see spam advertising some site. That just makes the e-cigarette industry look petty and trying to fish for customers anywhere they can.
One thing I've got to say: the FDA was thorough. They knew exactly where to go and who to talk to to get maximum "bad press" on e-cigs. Anyone who wants to pretend US citizens aren't being constantly manipulated only has to look as far as this sh*t storm to realize the truth. This is insanity in a refined form.
Yeah - those jackballs create a very bad perception of e-cgs. Whenever I see a comment like ChrisSugar's on the Forbe's article I report it as spam.
I believe most of the folks in the FDA truly believe they are trying to help....I honestly think its the folks who are in charge of the departments that are doing the real harm....being paid off is illegal yet nothing is being done about it. There are to many agencies in the US. Now there are to many heads bumping into each other trying to get the highest bid....Have you ever seen a chicken get there head cut off and then the body runs around until the nerves finally give out. This is what this reminds of with the FDA. They come out with good intention but then cuts the suppies off the ecig suppliers to leave it to run around for a while until shipments run dry. They say they want what is best for us but they only give us half a** BS to help us quit smoking.....its all Bull Sh**!!!!
Following this whole FDA garbage, I've realized more than ever before that the media is like the phone game everybody plays in 2nd grade. You know, you whisper to the person next to you "I like your shoes" and they repeat it to the person next to them, so on and so on. And by the time it gets back to you, you're told "I caught my uncle wearing a dress last Tuesday. Antifreeze. He was walking down Main St. singing 'Hit me baby one more time.' Young people. I like pizza. Cancer."
I mean seriously. All the stories have about 4 things in common. Antifreeze, carcinogens, nitrosamines and kids. Other than that it seems every story just makes up whatever words it wants to put around those. And I just read in another thread that diethylene glycol ISN'T EVEN IN ANTIFREEZE!! Propylene glycol is. The FDA got their slander wrong.
I need to stop reading the news, it's only making me angry....
I mean seriously. All the stories have about 4 things in common. Antifreeze, carcinogens, nitrosamines and kids. Other than that it seems every story just makes up whatever words it wants to put around those. And I just read in another thread that diethylene glycol ISN'T EVEN IN ANTIFREEZE!! Propylene glycol is. The FDA got their slander wrong.
I need to stop reading the news, it's only making me angry....
Actually, DEG is found in older automotive antifreeze, and was replaced around the 80's with Propylene Glycol, due to the risks of animals and children drinking the antifreeze. It is still used as rust inhibitor, disinfectant, some coolant uses, tobacco humectant, Winemaking, and many other uses. It's also found in the manufacturing of plastics and polyester fibers.
But, if we want to sit here and howl that "antifreeze" (Propylene Glycol) is in them, well here is a list of things also containing antifreeze:
As a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations. Notably, diazepam, which is insoluble in water, uses propylene glycol as its solvent in its clinical, injectable form.
As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, mouth wash, and tobacco products
In electronic cigarettes to deliver vaporized nicotine
As an emulsification agent in Angostura and orange bitters
As a solvent for food colors and flavorings
As an ingredient, along with wax and gelatin, in the production of paintballs
As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520
As a cooling agent for beer and wine glycol jacketed fermentation tanks
As a carrier in fragrance oils
As an ingredient in massage oils
As a less-toxic antifreeze
As a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film developers
In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions
In hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions
In cryonics
As a working fluid in hydraulic presses
As a coolant in liquid cooling systems
To regulate humidity in a cigar humidor
As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetles
As an additive to pipe tobacco to prevent dehydration.
To treat livestock ketosis
As the main ingredient in deodorant sticks.
To de-ice aircraft.[6]
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So, while in our e-cigs, and an ingredient in antifreeze, PG is NOT this big scary antifreeze they are talking trash about. Even DEG in concentrations at 0.2% is considered safe by the FDA for human consumption.
But, if we want to sit here and howl that "antifreeze" (Propylene Glycol) is in them, well here is a list of things also containing antifreeze:
As a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations. Notably, diazepam, which is insoluble in water, uses propylene glycol as its solvent in its clinical, injectable form.
As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, mouth wash, and tobacco products
In electronic cigarettes to deliver vaporized nicotine
As an emulsification agent in Angostura and orange bitters
As a solvent for food colors and flavorings
As an ingredient, along with wax and gelatin, in the production of paintballs
As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520
As a cooling agent for beer and wine glycol jacketed fermentation tanks
As a carrier in fragrance oils
As an ingredient in massage oils
As a less-toxic antifreeze
As a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film developers
In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions
In hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions
In cryonics
As a working fluid in hydraulic presses
As a coolant in liquid cooling systems
To regulate humidity in a cigar humidor
As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetles
As an additive to pipe tobacco to prevent dehydration.
To treat livestock ketosis
As the main ingredient in deodorant sticks.
To de-ice aircraft.[6]
UV Blacklite Tattoo Ink
paintballs
So, while in our e-cigs, and an ingredient in antifreeze, PG is NOT this big scary antifreeze they are talking trash about. Even DEG in concentrations at 0.2% is considered safe by the FDA for human consumption.
Those, my friend, are what we in the business call: talking points. The FDA cooked it and lazy ... reporters just eat it up.
100% spot on, and letting the FDA off the hook is the last thing I'll ever do.
And letting the media off the hook is the second to last thing I'll ever do.
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