Foulds says e-cigs won't help you quit smoking

[Vocalek]

E-cigarettes deliver almost no nicotine.

Given that it delivers almost no nicotine, it follows that the E-cigarette is unlikely to be effective in reducing nicotine withdrawal symptoms and helping addicted smokers to quit in the long run.

It might help if those of you who have been off analogs for six months or more ("in the long run") stop by and leave your story.

How many years did you smoke? What methods did you try? How long have you been quit now? Do you feel this is permanent?

 

[Vocalek]

BTW: Comments are moderated and are not posted until approved. Please be polite and matter-of-fact.

 

[raqball]

How many years did you smoke? What methods did you try? How long have you been quit now? Do you feel this is permanent?

I smoked for 25 years and tried everything under the sun to quit... Medication, gum, patches... You name it....

I have not smoked in over a year since finding e cigs, so yes I'd say it's a permanent solution for me....

Kris

 

[Vocalek]

Super! Well said. Follow the link I posted and leave this as a comment for Dr. Foulds.

 

[VictorySpeedway]

I smoked a pack of Marlboro red a day for 38 years.

I threw away most of a pack of the aforementioned cigarettes immediately after my first few puffs of my Joye 510.

I haven't smoked a cigarette in 92 days, and have absolutely no plans or intentions of doing so.

Ever again

 

[generositus]

I posted a comment, a pretty good one imho, hope it gets approved. I tried to copy it so I could paste it here but I only got the first part. Guess I'll wait and see.

 

[htchhikr]

Posted one for moderation. Still only 1 comment.

 

[dk2]

left a comment hopefully it is allowed as it was very professional

 

[BigJimW]

First, the e-cig was dangerous because it may be giving out too much nicotine

Then, "SAVE THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!shift+1111!" came around

Then, We're sucking on anti-freeze (FDA "test")

Now it's "It delivers no nicotine, so scratch point 1 and we'll just trash it based on sucking on anti-freeze with no nicotine. But we STILL must save the children!"

I suppose if my testicles fell off, then there would be a problem. Oh wait, give the media and the FDA a few days. I'm sure that will be the next thing they claim about it.

Can we see a trend here folks?

 

[dk2]

the worst part is that this article is based on dr. e's study and he just came out and said in the cnn thread that he tested poitive for nicotine after vaping using the suggestions on ecf

 

[BigJimW]

From Dr. E: I would also like to report some results from some personal experimentation. At the suggestion of some of you, I purchased a KR808D-1 with various strength cartridges (Cowboy flavor). I used it last night (18 mg cartomizer) and tested my urine with Nicalert strips this morning. Result? 5/6. Clearly, this result is consistent with recent nicotine exposure. The confusing thing is this: I used the device while hooked up to a heart rate monitor which an observer was watching and I was not. My heart rate showed negligible changes during my many puffs on the device (it was one with a manual switch, which I was pressing; I was using the USB pass through; yes I got vapor, and yes I inhaled – quite the throat hit, I can assure you). Obviously I am not going to write a paper about this single experience, and there is much to be learned, but I certainly agree with the many of you who suggested that these devices may very well behave differently than the ones that I tested.

Tom E.

From the article: E-cigarettes continue to create a lot of media buzz and chatter among smokers and smoking cessation experts alike. Today, Professor Thomas Eissenberg of Virginia Commonwealth University published an important study demonstrating that E-cigarettes, despite claims on the packaging and advertising, deliver almost no nicotine to the user.

I'd say a big conflict of story here.

 

[tarheeldan]

Left a comment about 20mins ago. We'll see.

I know BigJimW! We're sucking on ineffective, highly dangerous products manufactured by companies hell-bent on enslaving children in the clutches of addiction. Right. Uh oh, I think they ARE getting kinda loose down there! Aaaagh! Ecigs castrate their junkie users!!! Why didn't you save me from myself nanny state??

 

[GregH]

I just left the following comment:

I was a smoker for 21 years -- half my life. I tried quitting multiple times, both with all of the available NRTs (lozenges, gum, patches, and so on) and cold turkey. I failed every time.

I bought an electronic cigarette on a Friday and had my last traditional (tobacco) cigarette the following Tuesday morning. That was over 9 months ago. I have not touched a tobacco cigarette since. So based on my previous smoking habits, I have successfully avoided over 10,000 cigarettes thanks to the electronic cigarette.

I am convinced that these things have saved my life.

 

[deewal]

The E-cig was not designed nor intended to be used for "reducing nicotine withdrawal symptoms and helping addicted smokers to quit in the long run."
The only "healthier" thing about them is that they do not contain Tobacco which is the thing that kills Smokers.
I posted the text below yesterday here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today-2.html#post1074852
So why did dr E decide to do a study on them ? He has not replied on my observation.

"The study's aim is to develop a clinical model that can be used to measure the nicotine delivery and tobacco/nicotine abstinence-suppressing capability of electronic devices that are marketed as a means to deliver nicotine to cigarette smokers. >>"

The E-Cig is not designed nor meant to be used as a "nicotine abstinence-suppressing device" The majority of user's of the E-cig bought their E-cig to use as an alternative way of using nicotine without the use of Deadly Tobacco. Some people have stopped using Tobacco altogether, others still smoke Tobacco and use the E-Cig as well. NRT's are what should be studied for Nicotine abstinence-suppressing capabilities.

The E-Cig is not nor has been claimed to be an NRT. It is, in the words of
Richard J. Leon, United States District Judge, a "recreational tobacco product."

Maybe they need more "evidence that people claim to have quit smoking by using the E-Cig" rather than "people claim to have quit Smoking Tobacco by Replacing it with the E-Cig"

The Media as we know can just leave out the words "quit Smoking Tobacco by Replacing it with the E-Cig" leading to more Headlines saying "E-Cig users claim to have quit smoking" and once again portray the E-Cig as an NRT ?

 

[Bill Godshall]

If you want to send Jonathan Foulds an e-mail, his address is:
fouldsja@umdnj.edu

 

[Pete54]

I left the following message. Hope it posts!
I am 56 years old and have smoked since I was 16. I have tried gum, patches and cold turkey many times and have managed to quit for about a month on a few occasions. I tried an e-cig and after a few weeks of using both regular cigarettes and an e-cig, found myself reaching for the e-cig instead due to the taste. It has now been over five months since I've smoked and I can guarantee you that I will never smoke again. For me, the hardest part about quitting smoking was not the withdrawal, it's the hand to mouth habit. This week, after seeing my success, my wife has begun to use an e-cig. She hasn't smoked in four days and I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see that!
Thanks.

 

[BigJimW]

Uh oh, I think they ARE getting kinda loose down there! Aaaagh! Ecigs castrate their junkie users!!! Why didn't you save me from myself nanny state??

Well, look on the bright side. At least the dog had a snack.

 

[5cardstud]

Well great then I quit without nicotine. One thing I know is if I'm not getting nicotine then I surely wasn't getting any from those patches they put me on cause I couldn't quit with them.
What about the people that are vaping chewing tabacco pouches soaked in vg are they also not getting nicotine? I'm just glad he isn't my doctor. I wonder how many malpractice claims he's had filed against him? Also a normal cigarette only gives you 1mg. of nicotine anyway.

 

[DC2]

You know what would go a long way towards fixing this mess?
If Dr. Eissenberg would leave a comment.

Or better yet, leave a comment AND send an email to Mr. Foulds.

 

[rothenbj]

E-cigarettes deliver almost no nicotine.



It might help if those of you who have been off analogs for six months or more ("in the long run") stop by and leave your story.

How many years did you smoke? What methods did you try? How long have you been quit now? Do you feel this is permanent?

Vocalek, I enter most of my posts from my smartphone, leading to some words coming out incorrectly. In addition, it's difficult to link to a page. The post on that site for the 17th is very interesting if you'd care to link to it here.

There is a petition to make nrt's more affordable, available for longer periods and used in combinations. I think you will find it interesting who funded the research that is moving this proposal forward.

GO BP!!!