Her head might explode when she reads all of that! Very nicely written!
E-Cigarettes Not Reccomended For Quitting Smoking
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Her head might explode when she reads all of that! Very nicely written!
I'll bet she had no idea that a little article she wrote for her school paper would attract so much attention and backlash 
she will learn that everyone will be scrutinized and held accountable for what they say, especially in the press, regardless of their ignorance on the matter.
Maddcatt, the FDA can legally say they made a correction as long as its in tiny print near the bottom of page 27 in some unnamed newspaper.
As far as this being brought to the attention of the Honorable Judge Leon, i'm not sure it would even have any bearing in the case at hand. The case is about how the FDA will have authority over pv's, not whether the FDA is credible. That would be a different case.
she will learn that everyone will be scrutinized and held accountable for what they say, especially in the press, regardless of their ignorance on the matter.Maddcatt, the FDA can legally say they made a correction as long as its in tiny print near the bottom of page 27 in some unnamed newspaper.
As far as this being brought to the attention of the Honorable Judge Leon, i'm not sure it would even have any bearing in the case at hand. The case is about how the FDA will have authority over pv's, not whether the FDA is credible. That would be a different case.
She totally ignores everything you all have sent and stands by her "Journalistic Integrity" that her own personal experience far outweighs anything that has been presented? 8-o
As far as I know, 555 had diethlyne glycol. Nothing for the rest tested.
If the FDA ran another test, I wouldn't know.
Wouldn't suprise me a bit.
I remember long ago in an interview of a journalist student. The student said, "I'm learning journalism in college to change the world."
Funny.
I thought they were to simply report the news.
Journalistic integrity and "personal experience" don't go together. True journalistic integrity is going after nothing but the facts, wherever they may be. And any good journalist who goes after the facts about pv's is going to open a huge can of worms and probably get himself in a bit of trouble.
Doesn't it make you wonder why there are hardly any positive, or even neutral, stories about vaping from anyone other than retailers? Truth is often suppressed "for the common good."
Tin foil hat please
IMHO, no government agency whose job it is to protect the public should be allowed the luxury of ANY ineptitute. This is a serious mistake on their part and it shows that they do not understand chemistry well enough to do their job.
Where are the checks and balances here? Aren't we entitled to that as part of our constitutional rights?
Um, can i borrow your hat?
Sadly in an ideal world that would be true, but this is not an ideal world and both public services and government agencies are full of ineptitude on some level or another.
The most amusing situation of this I've seen so far was earlier this year in this article [d'oh! can't post the linky yet. Just do a search on the nypost for Randall Hinton]. This guy holds a public office, makes $100k a year, and does absolutely ZERO work. But that's a bit off topic.
This should be diethylene glycol not ethylene glycol. Not much of a difference at cursory glance, but there is a difference nonetheless.
I agree that one shouldn't have anything to do with the other. To me a journalist should be nothing more than a researcher that reports unbiased findings. On the other hand, we have - Geraldo!
Ah yeah, good old Geraldo when he went to Al Capone's vault. Opened it and -crickets-.
Jerry Rivers. What a buffoon.
I'm surprised one of the troops didn't break a chair across his nose for broadcasting our military's tactical details to the whole world.
IMHO, no government agency whose job it is to protect the public should be allowed the luxury of ANY ineptitute. This is a serious mistake on their part and it shows that they do not understand chemistry well enough to do their job.
Um, can i borrow your hat?
Speaking of understanding chemistry, my one and only class was high school chemistry. But even that woefully inadequate training taught me that there are two types of analysis: Qualitative and Quantitative. What kind of chemist issues a report that leaves out the quantitative data for all but one (nicotine) of the substances identified?
Easy. The one making a political statement and not a scientific analysis
AND...
One that is paid by tax dollars from revenue generated by tobacco purchases -which ecigs threaten.
I was actually shocked no one capped him! Can stupidity be called traitorous? He should've been charged with treason for giving aid and comfort to the enemy, not just kicked out of the country. Families should've sued him and his employer for any lost lives because of him. If it'd been me there, I'd have probably had another court-martial added to my record.
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Major General Chesty Puller, USMC
Semper Fi!
I just read the article and I have a question:
E-cigarette companies, such as Smoke Anywhere, claim the devices are designed as a tar-and-tobacco-free way to enjoy smoking and not intended to help users stop smoking.
However, Cossman said she feels the products are being marketed that way.
“My mom quit smoking using a similar product,” Cossman said.
However, the product that Cossman said her mother used allowed the smoker to control the nicotine level in the device.
Why didn't she specify what this device was?
E-cigarette companies, such as Smoke Anywhere, claim the devices are designed as a tar-and-tobacco-free way to enjoy smoking and not intended to help users stop smoking.
However, Cossman said she feels the products are being marketed that way.
“My mom quit smoking using a similar product,” Cossman said.
However, the product that Cossman said her mother used allowed the smoker to control the nicotine level in the device.
Why didn't she specify what this device was?
I sent her an email with a link to the petition, stating that here are thousands of people that would disagree with her, and that was probably the tip of the iceberg.
She responded :
The views in that article do not represent my own. They represent the
views of the people I interviewed. Thanks for reading.
I then suggested that a follow up story with successes would be great.
Nothing back yet.
She responded :
The views in that article do not represent my own. They represent the
views of the people I interviewed. Thanks for reading.
I then suggested that a follow up story with successes would be great.
Nothing back yet.
one problem here is that people have different ways of defining smoking..
taking in nicotine with vapor or taking in nicotine with smoke is the same thing to many none smokers.. which is why they say e cigs are no good as a stop smoking device..
in the UK smoking is legally defined "as setting fire to something".. to smoke one has to set fire to whatever is being smoked.. smoke being the product generated by the act of setting fire to the smoking device be it a pipe or whatever..
so using this UK legal definition of smoking i would say e cig are a very good way to stop smoking.. without doubt.. probably by far the best way..
as a cure for nicotine addiction they are not very good.. pretty useless i would say..
so it all depends where you are coming from.. but being as no smoke is involved they cant really be smoking.. but to some this dosnt matter... i can see where such folks are coming from.. inhaling highly addictive smoke or vapor is the same thing to them.. bad..
the only valid argument would be.. is inhaling vapor safer than inhaling smoke.. i would say it is.. they would say "prove it".. my reply would be.. i have "proved it" enough for me now f-ck off and mind your own business ... which would be the only effective answer i could think of.. he he...
trog
ps.. minding their own business aint something these folks are very good at tho.. he he
taking in nicotine with vapor or taking in nicotine with smoke is the same thing to many none smokers.. which is why they say e cigs are no good as a stop smoking device..
in the UK smoking is legally defined "as setting fire to something".. to smoke one has to set fire to whatever is being smoked.. smoke being the product generated by the act of setting fire to the smoking device be it a pipe or whatever..
so using this UK legal definition of smoking i would say e cig are a very good way to stop smoking.. without doubt.. probably by far the best way..
as a cure for nicotine addiction they are not very good.. pretty useless i would say..
so it all depends where you are coming from.. but being as no smoke is involved they cant really be smoking.. but to some this dosnt matter... i can see where such folks are coming from.. inhaling highly addictive smoke or vapor is the same thing to them.. bad..
the only valid argument would be.. is inhaling vapor safer than inhaling smoke.. i would say it is.. they would say "prove it".. my reply would be.. i have "proved it" enough for me now f-ck off and mind your own business ... which would be the only effective answer i could think of.. he he...
trog
ps.. minding their own business aint something these folks are very good at tho.. he he
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