Fox Detroit station hits hard against war on e-cigs / vaping

[CabinetGuyScott]

From our local Fox affiliate, this round-table conversation pits a vape shop owner with a state rep who sponsored a bill restricting sales to minors.

FOX 2 Detroit - Let it Rip: E-cigarettes


Talk about inflammatory rhetoric - state rep describes e-cigs as training wheels to smoking

There is no depths that these freaks will not stoop to...

The vape guy missed a couple of key opportunities:

• Flavors
  • He did say flavors help break the association to smoking
  • During the demonstration, he could have said that the odor was the flavor
  • I like to point out "do you have any idea how HORRIBLE cigarettes taste?!"
• $500 MOD! That was a stupid stupid stunt to pull.

Loved the way the hosts were clearly challenging the state rep!

Charlie is not at all shy when it comes to stuff he believes in

I'm going to reach out to Charlie and see if we can't get a dialogue started.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

Here's my comment on the Fox webpage:

Thank you for this Let it Rip on E-cigarettes!

It was informative, and presented an opportunity for more of the science and truth about e-cigs to be heard!

There are way too many people, with lots of money behind them from the pharmaceutical, tobacco control & tobacco industries, fighting these life-saving products!

The primary propaganda tools the opponents are using against e-cigs / vaping are:
1) It's all about a theoretical possible harm to children - couldn't believe my ears when the rep said "training wheels to smoking" (sleazy at best)

2) Lies about the LEVELs of chemicals in the vapor! Absolutely nothing in the vapor is found to be of any, ever, possible potential harm to humans, that isn't found in nicotine inhalers. It's all about the DOSE that makes for potential harm - but the opponents will NEVER tell you that part of the story. LIEs

3) Nicotine is drug and it's *addictive*. So WHAT? There is no harm to the user, and none to anyone around them. 99% the same as coffee/caffeine as an addictive drug. The mantra of a "drug ADDICTION" is intentionally emotional and fear-mongering.

And just how bad can nicotine be when the FDA has dramatically reduced or eliminated restrictions on nicotine patches/gums/lozenges - including AGE requirements, and, now say long-term, even lifelong use of these products is okay.

Nicotine does not actually rise up to the level of an addiction - far more accurate to use the term 'dependence' at worst case, "habit" more typical. Sounds a lot like caffeine in coffee and Mountain Dew, and a whole lot less scary when you use the more accurate terminology.

Btw, I was a 43 year smoker, and now 3+ month *EX-smoker* thanks exclusively to e-cigs / vaping!!!!

Thank you Charlie & Taryn for this fair & balanced & *FACTUAL* segment!

 

[Tamnakz]

Won't play for me, but I'll find a way!
Yeah Michigan!

 

[AgentAnia]

Good find, Scott, and *excellent* comment. Well done!

 

[Stosh]

For the "training wheels", "save the children" argument to make any sense at all, it would mean that there are 0%, no children anywhere smoking.
Does anyone believe that? We need to limit their access to a safer alternative? The present strategy of taxes and restrictions have been an epic FAIL!!

 

[Kent C]

For the "training wheels", "save the children" argument to make any sense at all, it would mean that there are 0%, no children anywhere smoking.
Does anyone believe that? We need to limit their access to a safer alternative? The present strategy of taxes and restrictions have been an epic FAIL!!

Good point. Plus... the whole thing about ecigs as a gateway for kids smoking cigarettes is about as believable as a kid preferring an Atari over an iPad, or one of these:

...over this:

 

[Bramble]

I have, from the start, always viewed vaping as an alternate form of NRT. I often wonder why others have such a disconnect about it.
Patches and gum won't addict your kids but vaping will?

We now even have a valid study showing that vaping delivers nicotine on about the same level as patches and gum with approximately the same purity of ingredients. The major difference being that you could actually put 3 or 4 patches on at once or chew several pieces of gum at once, but you can only inhale so much vape at once. Vaping is the only NRT which is self-limiting like that. Maybe getting some standards on the eLiquid will help - at least they can stop saying, "But we don't know what's in it."

I would love to know how many teens are actually using nicotine gum at school. But no one cares because chewing gum doesn't look like anything bad. It's like kids getting those energy drinks and there's very little fuss about the highly addictive and unhealthy chemicals they are consuming -- simply because it looks like the kids are just drinking a soda pop.

TBH I've always been in the camp of de-normalizing soda pop for kids. Nothing good can come from giving kids that garbage.

 

[skoony]

thanks for the link.
regards
mike

 

[Bill Godshall]

There is already a thread in the "Legislative News" section on the e-cig legislative battle in Michigan at
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/legislation-news/536975-michigan-legislation-2.html

All vapers and vendors in Michigan need to check out that thread, and contact the MI House Regulatory Reform Committee urging opposition to the bill (HB 5393) cosponsored by Rep Yanez that would ban the sale of ALL e-cigs in Michigan and legally define them as "electronic smoking devices" at
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2013-2014/billintroduced/House/pdf/2014-HIB-5393.pdf

and instead urging them to support bills (S 667 & S 668) that were approved by the MI Senate to ban “vapor product” and “alternative nicotine product” sales to minors
Michigan Legislature - Senate Bill 0667 (2013)
SUBSTITUTE FOR
Michigan Legislature - Senate Bill 0668 (2013)
SUBSTITUTE FOR

 

[stylemaster2001]

Lol, I was a hairdresser for 20 years, (still do a small bit at home) and that hairdresser that said they should go outside to vape is a BIG OLE hypocrite!!!! I guarantee you SHE has breathed more harmful chemicals INSIDE the salon, I know, from the haircolor, bleach and other chemicals used........geeeesh.