Freezing E-Liquid?

[TDM]

Now I understand! It was quart bags.
The principle of preventing the spread of leakage is absolutely sound, even if I'd be doing this on a much smaller scale.

Thanks, Truckdrivingmouse !

C.

One thing you can do if you have a food saver. I tried it and it works pretty good. Seal some bag material so just 1 bottle can fit in each bag you make. Pull the air out and you have individual air tight bags of juice then seperate by bags

 

[Caesarea]

He said moisture. But, he also thought it was too cold.

I'm thinking of getting a small wine refrigerator. But, what temp do we want?
Edited to add:

he said he called the company that made the liquid all the way in China and was told "cool and dry" but not refrigerated.

Still, I would like to be able to use mine for as long as possible. I don't want my own liquid to be the guinea pig though!

I'm thinking I might experiment with small quantities and see what they're like in the autumn. But dang it there must be suppliers who know the answers to this!!!

Come on dearrrrrrr supplierrrrs .....we love you , help us out!!!

 

[TDM]

I just put a 30ml 36mg unflavored PG based bottle purchased from ruyan in my chest freezer 5-03-09

Will check by dripping on atom 901 w/batt:
daily for first 3 days
weekly for first 4 weeks
monthly for first 5 months
then after two years if I still have it

This will take time but after a week or two of deep freeze (-10F to +5F), I think it will be safe to say that a week or 2 years is still the same.
I do think that the nic content will still degrade say 2 years (but this method may prolong to 3+years) We will see..

Dirt

Only problem with this idea I can see.......
Every time you open the bottle you are letting air in. The air will degrade your sample.

 

[Caesarea]

Caesarea I'm soooo glad you asked this question and got replies. I've asked it numerous times with NO reply.

Thank you!

I saw that, Nitewriter.


I feel someone somewhere can actually tell us what happened when they froze their stock. After all, we don't all live in air conditioned palaces or cold dark climates

 

[Caesarea]

One thing you can do if you have a food saver. I tried it and it works pretty good. Seal some bag material so just 1 bottle can fit in each bag you make. Pull the air out and you have individual air tight bags of juice then seperate by bags

Someone else mentioned vacuum packing.

D'you know, I think I'll ask my neighbourhood pharmacist - they keep medicines for long periods, after all.

 

[katink]

I saw that, Nitewriter.


I feel someone somewhere can actually tell us what happened when they froze their stock. After all, we don't all live in air conditioned palaces or cold dark climates

Someone did

 

[Caesarea]

Only problem with this idea I can see.......
Every time you open the bottle you are letting air in. The air will degrade your sample.

It's a great idea dirt2suck - how about lots of small samples, to get over the problem of letting the air in?

C

 

[Caesarea]

Someone did

Was it a disaster?

katink did I misread a post somewhere??

Yesss...so I did!!!!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rum/15249-freezing-e-liquid-2.html#post247999

And you are sure it's the way to go.
Well I think I will also give this a try.

C.

 

[Caesarea]

I think we are unlikely to get a good long term storage answer or freezing answer from a supplier. If they are keeping it that long, they aren't a very good sales person, LOL. Maybe the thread could be moved back into the general questions area OR perhaps start a new one like How do you plan to store your stock up long term? If all this bumping isn't getting any attention, it is probably that people see it is in the Suppliers forum?(snip)

OK Hellen, do you feel like starting the new thread?

I am grateful to everyone who replied on this one, it's helped me decide to experiment with a few small dark glass bottles. I think I'll cool them in the fridge first to minimise any rapid temp changes, then pack them as folk have suggested and sample them at long intervals. I'm also gonna ask that pharmacist - she may have some other advice.

Maybe Walrus will end up an E- Liquid Vintage millionaire because of us...




C.

 

[Kendra]

For what it's worth: I have always kept my liquid in the fridge. Some time ago I have frozen one 10 ml (plastic) bottle of liquid for a while (no, it doesn't freeze solid, but of course it does take on the temp. of -18C to -24C that my freezer is). Then took it out, let it get back to roomtemp, and since then it's been in the room, being used.

Up to now I have not been able to detect any changes at all happening - nic in it seems to be the same also, though of course I don't have means to scientificaly measure this (same feeling, same throat-hit, same buzz though). Also no discolouring or anything else alarming (been at roomtemperature almost a month since it was frozen now) so I would say that having been in the freezer doesn't seem to have hurt or broken anything on the cells-level.
Seeing these results, I will be moving most of my liquid to the freezer as soon as I have made room for it, on the assumption of 'the cooler, the longer it remains well'.
Of course: just my own assessment and just my own decision.


Edit: Btw... ...why would moisture be of ANY concern in a bottle that is closed off from air??

Katink,
How long was the liquid frozen for before you took it out? I really believe you are having a good experience but I'm so concerned, too, since someone else's liquid turned to vinegar solution or something similar.


I know there are other things in the world to be worried about, but the idea that I could potentially lose all my e-liquid is one of my top immediate concerns.

Edited: Okay, I just saw you froze it for a month. Sorry I missed that before.

 

[Caesarea]

Katink,
How long was the liquid frozen for before you took it out? I really believe you are having a good experience but I'm so concerned, too, since someone else's liquid turned to vinegar solution or something similar.


I know there are other things in the world to be worried about, but the idea that I could potentially lose all my e-liquid is one of my top immediate concerns.

Edited: Okay, I just saw you froze it for a month. Sorry I missed that before.

Kendra shows how vital a question this is for us -
I'm gonna be reading and rereading the answers to be sure I don't miss anything that points to a good reliable way forward. I hope you will all let me know how you get on with storage issues.

It's indispensable to anyone who has set their face absolutely against returning to analogs, and that is certainly how I feel.
In the same way, I'll be looking at other things, the I-Inhale, and snus, though not very tempting, a thousand times better than smoking. But given a choice, I want to go on with vaping, no doubt about that.

C.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I wonder if Sun Vaporer blames light, moisture or temperature...

Caesarea--I can tell you that I stored a load of e-liquid from different companys in the refridgerator and after 3 months it all went rancid. I tasted like vinegar and was very bitter. So much so that I had to throw it out. The key to storage is Cool, Dark, and Dry. The refidgerator is not Dry. To the contray it is moist. I had other e-liquid that I did not really care for hanging around in a draw that was also 3 months--some 4 months old--and it was still good.

I immediatly restocked and stored it in a cedar chest in the closet--Cool, Dark, and Dry. Everyone can do as they like, but with this post I have relayed to all of you my experiance and what I did about it about it.
Since employing the cedar chest and keeping it out of the refidgerator for over 3 months now I can state that I have had no issues----Sun

 

[Momof3]

I do a lot of canning and the storage recommendations are the same cool, dark and dry. Here is an excerpt about proper storage of canned goods that includes recommended temps and such.

Label and date the jars and store them in a clean, cool, dark, dry place. For best quality, store between 50 and 70 °F. Do not store jars above 95° F or near hot pipes, a range, a furnace, in an uninsulated attic, or in direct sunlight.

I've got my liquid in a lock box in a high cabinet. Dark, dry, stable moderate temps. HTH.

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

Caesarea--I can tell you that I stored a load of e-liquid from different companys in the refridgerator and after 3 months it all went rancid. I tasted like vinegar and was very bitter. So much so that I had to throw it out.

Sun, did you have any DIY additives in the liquid? Just wondering if that made a difference.

I was also wondering if the addition of a bit of Vodka would help with preserving (which is good for a bit of added vapor I understand).

BTW, the nice thing about the wine cooler is that you can pick the temperature you want. Mine has a setting range from 39 to 61 degrees (and now I'm thinking that 61 might be better).

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun, did you have any DIY additives in the liquid? Just wondering if that made a difference.

I was also wondering if the addition of a bit of Vodka would help with preserving (which is good for a bit of added vapor I understand).

BTW, the nice thing about the wine cooler is that you can pick the temperature you want. Mine has a setting range from 39 to 61 degrees (and now I'm thinking that 61 might be better).

Hellen--this was all 30ml bottles of commercal e-liquid that went rancid and they do contain Citric Acid--a known effective preservitive. The issue was "DRY". That is why I since then have employed the Cedar Chest without any issues. --Sun

 

[cowgal]

That story chills me to the bone, so to speak. You shoulda seen how fast I ran to the fridge to yank out my juice. Thank you Sun.

 

[deemkooo]

That story chills me to the bone, so to speak. You shoulda seen how fast I ran to the fridge to yank out my juice. Thank you Sun.

Me too! Thanks Sun.

 

[cowgal]

(and big thanks to Caesarea for reminding me that I'd been wondering about this too!)

 

[praga]

I heard someone say that the juice needs to be cool and dry - the fridge is too moist....

I don't know if storing in a freezer/fridge is a good practice or not, but I do know that the refrigerator will actually suck moisture out rather than the other way around. I used to play alot of tournament paintball and a few hours in the fridge would suck moisture out of the paintballs making them more brittle.

 

[Caesarea]

Thanks for all the info - I still wonder what to do!

Maybe I'll do a bit of experimenting.

C