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Chani1074

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Thanks very much!! I do have tons of questions ut try to get answers from other posts, as I'm sure they have been asked before =)

Welcome to the club..
You are one of now thousands of vapers... And trust me, everyone has love and support around here...
Start a post with some Q's and see how quicly you get so much attention, its addictive...
Good luck... and vape on...
 

Fenris4024

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Yeah, CE4s are kind of... meh. I use CE5s and do fine. Real easy to take apart (the parts just unscrew from each other, no tools needed), clean out, air dry, reuse. I had one CE4 and cleaning the thing was a total pain in the neck. I wouldn't recommend them.

And 2.4 ohm is fine. That's in the "standard resistance" range and work fine with the ordinary voltage ranges. The non-variable batteries run around 3.7 volts. That's gotta be something about lithium ion batteries. If you check your cell phone (I mean one that has a replaceable battery, not the iPhone which I would not recommend trying to pry open just to look at the battery :) ), it's probably got a 3.7 volt battery too. The power charts put 2.4 in the "middle range" with that voltage. They'll be fine.

I use 2.4 ohms with my Twist which adjusts from 3.2 to 4.8 volts. Decided on 2.4 since it isn't likely to burn at any voltage in that range. That way, I wouldn't have to worry. Could just adjust to taste and not have to check a chart.

If you move to more advanced set ups like eVics and Vamos and Provaris and all, there's an additional learning curve there. Which is fine if you want to move up into the "advanced" realm. Just be aware. I'm more of the opinion that when you're "getting your feet wet", it's better to stick with the simpler systems. Move up later after you get more into how all this vaping stuff works. :)

That last paragraph pretty much sums up my advice as well... getting better delivery devices (EVOD, Protanks, CE5s, Etc) will likely do more to help you now than to get a brand new shiny $50-100+ mod. When you DO decide to dive into the deep end, make sure you do your research and are ready.

As for B&M's, remember, these folks are looking to make a living as well as "help" you, so its quite often a case of buyer beware, as not all B&M employees will be on the level. I always take the advice of a B&M employee with a grain of salt (and a wedge of lime, with some tequila thrown in)

Of the better mods I can recommend (for when you're ready... I'm not saying to go get one right now, because it likely won't be of much help at the current moment.):

Provari: Ease of use, tougher than nails, Variable Voltage, gives a consistent vape throughout the life of the battery discharge (Many mods suffer from power loss as the battery gets drained.) More or less a lifetime warranty on these things, and you CAN send it in for repairs. Highest priced mod I'd ever recommend though. Make sure you're ready. Does need rechargable batteries. (size depends on model)

Vamo: Easy to navigate menus, pretty tough (at least mine is), variable voltage and variable wattage. vape quality seems good throughout the battery's discharge (I only really notice it start dropping once the battery hits about the 3.4v mark) Good price for what you get in a mod. Can sometimes find them in the $40 range. Does need rechargable batteries.

Itaste MVP: Solid little box mod. Easy to use Variable voltage. Built in 2600maH battery, with a pass-through capability. (which may or may not be a good thing, but at least you don't have to get batteries) Can often find these with a few of the Iclear delivery devices. Has the added benefit of being able to charge your phone off its internal battery if needed. Like the Vamo, I've seen these in the $35-40 range.

Vision Spinner: Variable Voltage Ego style battery (similar to what you already have, but with VV and a much heftier battery life.) Easy to use adjustment knob, easy to read markings. (I own three as backups of my backups) Usually in the $25 range.

Whatever route you decide is best for you, doing what you can (within reason, of course) to make sure the stink sticks aren't part of that route is awesome. Vape on brother, and sorry if we kinda overloaded you!!
 

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Thanks for the quick responses, I really appreciate it. It sounds like the CE4s were the problem? Forgive my ignorance, but are the other ones you suggested low maintenance? Will they actually last and produce good flavor longer than a couple of days?
Thanks again.
Not sure how much you vape but I've had my Protank Mini on a variable voltage eGo battery for a week now and it's still got half a tank of juice and producing thick clouds of vapor like a champ with no sign of slowing down. Also it looks gorgeous (if you are fashion minded). Not gonna lie - not every hit is perfect, but it's a million times better than the CE4 clearo, which you can't even tip over without leakage, and you have to move and swish every hit to make sure those silly wicks are wet. Highly recommend.
 

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Thanks for the detailed breakdown; helps tremendously. Even though I haven't pulled the trigger on a mod yet, I've had some great input from all of you. I got my first order in from FastTech, took 6 days. I've just spent a couple of hours re-discovering how good some of those juices really are with a ProTank and an EVOD. Still have a Vivi Nova to try also... Life is much better now!!!

That last paragraph pretty much sums up my advice as well... getting better delivery devices (EVOD, Protanks, CE5s, Etc) will likely do more to help you now than to get a brand new shiny $50-100+ mod. When you DO decide to dive into the deep end, make sure you do your research and are ready.

As for B&M's, remember, these folks are looking to make a living as well as "help" you, so its quite often a case of buyer beware, as not all B&M employees will be on the level. I always take the advice of a B&M employee with a grain of salt (and a wedge of lime, with some tequila thrown in)

Of the better mods I can recommend (for when you're ready... I'm not saying to go get one right now, because it likely won't be of much help at the current moment.):

Provari: Ease of use, tougher than nails, Variable Voltage, gives a consistent vape throughout the life of the battery discharge (Many mods suffer from power loss as the battery gets drained.) More or less a lifetime warranty on these things, and you CAN send it in for repairs. Highest priced mod I'd ever recommend though. Make sure you're ready. Does need rechargable batteries. (size depends on model)

Vamo: Easy to navigate menus, pretty tough (at least mine is), variable voltage and variable wattage. vape quality seems good throughout the battery's discharge (I only really notice it start dropping once the battery hits about the 3.4v mark) Good price for what you get in a mod. Can sometimes find them in the $40 range. Does need rechargable batteries.

Itaste MVP: Solid little box mod. Easy to use Variable voltage. Built in 2600maH battery, with a pass-through capability. (which may or may not be a good thing, but at least you don't have to get batteries) Can often find these with a few of the Iclear delivery devices. Has the added benefit of being able to charge your phone off its internal battery if needed. Like the Vamo, I've seen these in the $35-40 range.

Vision Spinner: Variable Voltage Ego style battery (similar to what you already have, but with VV and a much heftier battery life.) Easy to use adjustment knob, easy to read markings. (I own three as backups of my backups) Usually in the $25 range.

Whatever route you decide is best for you, doing what you can (within reason, of course) to make sure the stink sticks aren't part of that route is awesome. Vape on brother, and sorry if we kinda overloaded you!!
 

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Who doesn't love a happy ending? Bottom coil clearomizers were what sealed the deal for me in my first week of quitting and it seems like you're finding the same. Hobbyist stuff aside, just a few personal points from a guy who was in your shoes only a few weeks ago:

1) If you find that one of your new tanks works for you, stick with it. Quitting is job #1 and if it gives you satisfaction, then job well done. By staying with one tank for a while, you'll also have the benefit of understanding the unique quirks each juice delivery system has. BCC clearomizers like the ProTank, for example, like to be nice and full (they tend to flood a little when low) and I've found that storing them upside down overnight (detached from the body) will keep the wicks from saturating and flooding - that critical morning nicotine craving gets ruined real fast if you suck up a mouthful of juice!

2) Embrace maintenance as part of the ritual. BCC clearomizers are incredibly easy to clean (and you can even hand dry them in a pinch when a 24h air-dry isn't a luxury). It's another way to keep your hands busy and ensures you're always getting a nice, clean vape. This may seem like an odd thing, but I liken it to the simple meticulousness of cleaning and playing vinyl records. There's a comfort to be had. Maybe more appropriately, it's a bit like rolling your own cigarettes.

3) Have a game plan and set priorities. Once you've gotten comfortable with your gear, you may find the urge to branch out (I know I sure did). Hanging around ECF is a great support both for technical reasons and as a support group (the constant success stories being posted are a regular source of inspiration), but you can drown quickly in a sea of opinion and enthusiasm. Set those priorities early and change them as you learn what works for you. I personally found the waste involved in replaceable tanks conflicting with my morals - even changeable atomizers see steel going into the trash more often than I could stand. Knowing how much I enjoyed the ritual, I quickly migrated to a rebuildable atomizer and now I waste nothing save for a tiny scrap of wick and wire, hand-made by yours truly.

4) Try lots of juice. Simple as that. What you're going to find is that many juices are good for a few hoots and then they grate on you. The all-day-vape is something that ONLY you can discover, no opinions will change that, save vouching for a brand's quality and consistency. Do be aware that your tastebuds will reawaken very quickly, so don't be too surprised if your tastes change frequently and drastically in the beginning.

5) It bears repeating: keep your eye on the prize. Quitting is job one. If something works, stick with it and vape away while exploring this amazing and burgeoning industry, community and hobby.


Anyway, good luck and enjoy yourself! The first few weeks can be costly, but that can be mitigated and it won't be long before you can add "significant cost savings" to the list of amazing things vaping has to offer.

~Vic
 
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Vic, great stuff, I'm with you on all points. Even though I'm still gearing up - especially looking for a small setup for work - I've switched my priorities to #4 - finding and trying juices. Drowning in a sea of info right now and trying to narrow it down to a couple of reliable juice vendors to try... it's gotten to be a lot more fun though...
 

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For work i would recomend a Vision Spinner 1300mAh. They will last all day long..

For liquids, I have found Halo to be premium above all, and they are really really that good. Pink Spot is another good one to look at if youre into fruity flavors and desserts.

Vic, great stuff, I'm with you on all points. Even though I'm still gearing up - especially looking for a small setup for work - I've switched my priorities to #4 - finding and trying juices. Drowning in a sea of info right now and trying to narrow it down to a couple of reliable juice vendors to try... it's gotten to be a lot more fun though...
 
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