Just needed to vent my frustration. I'm typing this while smoking a cigarette, though I don't want to be. Perhaps I'm just weak willed. Anyhow, my problem is that some days vaping alone is good, and I'll only smoke a couple real cigarettes. Other days vaping does nothing for me at all and I find myself craving a smoke while im vaping and after. I can't find the connection, I don't understand why it works some days and not others. It's not stress based. I recently read a post on here about ejuice with WTA's added, so I'm considering trying those to see if it makes a difference. I've tried all other methods, so vaping has to work. I want to quit smoking, It's killing me. The inconsistency is annoying me. Blah.
frustrated and struggling with vaping.
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Try getting a high nic juice it may help alot. If your current juice is 12mg try 18 or 24mg
firstly don't beat your self up every time you vape and not smoke its a winner the fact you want to stop smoking is half the battle won i stopped smoking middle of December and for a few days i would smoke in the morning then before i went to bed after a few days of gradually cutting out the analogues i found i couldn't stand the taste and just stopped and never looked back since i would also recommend using tobacco flavored ejuice to get started as it will make the transition easier but trust me it does get better and i wish you all the luck
I'm using 18mg, may bump it up to 24.
Setup is an mvp 2.0, rotating between kanger aerotank, pt3, and aspire vivi nova s.
in vw mode at 7.5 watts, any higher either burns my throat or puts me into coughing fits.
Setup is an mvp 2.0, rotating between kanger aerotank, pt3, and aspire vivi nova s.
in vw mode at 7.5 watts, any higher either burns my throat or puts me into coughing fits.
Sorry I can't add much. I'm only about 17 days into vaping, but It's been my experience that each person is different. Before I found Vaping, I always wondered why some people could quit smoking cold turkey, and I couldn't. I'm 42, and I smoked a PPD since I was 14. I actually started smoking when I was 11!
Every peroson is different. After countless attempts to quit, vaping finally did it for me. I finally figured out how to couple it with a goal, which was paying for a new car. That's what finally got my wife on board, too. It's actually 'her' car!
But anyway, don't beat yourself up if you smoke some at first. While I was able to put the cigs down on Feb 25th, which was the first day I started vaping, a co-worker of mine who also started vaping recently, still smokes a few cigs a day. That few is still A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT LESS than he used to smoke. Neither of us is right or worng, is my point. One thing about addictive behaviors, is that each person is different. Just keep trying to replace smoking situations with vaping instead. Sooner or later, you'll start to realize how good vapor tastes, and how much Cigs stink.
One thing you can try is to force yourself to go like 3 days without an analogue, and then purposefully smoke one. It'll taste so bad, and make you so sick to your stomach, that it'll be all you need to know about why you quit in the first place. That's kind of what happened to me. I know I kind of rambled on, but hope it helps. Just keep your head up, and remember, every cig less per day is a milestone. You'll get there!
Every peroson is different. After countless attempts to quit, vaping finally did it for me. I finally figured out how to couple it with a goal, which was paying for a new car. That's what finally got my wife on board, too. It's actually 'her' car!
But anyway, don't beat yourself up if you smoke some at first. While I was able to put the cigs down on Feb 25th, which was the first day I started vaping, a co-worker of mine who also started vaping recently, still smokes a few cigs a day. That few is still A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT LESS than he used to smoke. Neither of us is right or worng, is my point. One thing about addictive behaviors, is that each person is different. Just keep trying to replace smoking situations with vaping instead. Sooner or later, you'll start to realize how good vapor tastes, and how much Cigs stink.
One thing you can try is to force yourself to go like 3 days without an analogue, and then purposefully smoke one. It'll taste so bad, and make you so sick to your stomach, that it'll be all you need to know about why you quit in the first place. That's kind of what happened to me. I know I kind of rambled on, but hope it helps. Just keep your head up, and remember, every cig less per day is a milestone. You'll get there!
Hiya! 
So, how long have you been smoking and how long have you been trying to switch to vaping?
You just may need more time. It took me three months to completely lose a 30 year smoking habit. Not everyone who switches to vaping does it overnight. You said you really want to quit smoking and that's the most important part of this process. Exactly how that is going to happen for you? Everyone is different and is allowed to be different here. There are no American Cancer Society "one cigarette means you are a total failure" rules.
When you start there are several things you need to consider:
You need to work at actually vaping enough on a consistent basis. Nic absorption is a slow process in vaping - similar to how it works with Nic-O-Gum. Consequently chasing cravings with vaping is a bad idea. You can't vape like you smoked in this regard.
You may need a higher nicotine level or more than one nic level. I had to use two nic levels for about four months when I started, resorting to the higher nic level for regular craving fits during the day. For me that was first thing getting out of bed, and those last couple hours at night. The rest of the day I was pretty much ok with the lower level. Not only is a higher nic level an option, changing it up and down during the day is an option too. WTA is an option but you may just want to play with your nic level on your current liquids first.
Don't make cigarettes an easy option. Your PV belongs on the night stand as the first thing you grab in the morning. You pack of butts belong some place where you have to go get one every time - like the top shelf in a closet. Have one if you want to or need to, but don't be lazy about it either.
You may need to consider a hardware upgrade. Some people can and do quit with cigalikes. Other people can't and need to move up to eGo batteries with a clearomizer. Some people need more than an eGo setup and head for mechanical mods. This isn't a free pass to blow a ton of money on new shiny toys, but it is a point that you may need to consider if you aren't getting enough vapor or flavor out of your experience.
Relax. There are no rules to how you quit this time. Some people do it the second they pick up an e-cig. I wanted to reach out and hurt those people when I started. As long as you are committed to quitting you can sort this out.
So, how long have you been smoking and how long have you been trying to switch to vaping?
You just may need more time. It took me three months to completely lose a 30 year smoking habit. Not everyone who switches to vaping does it overnight. You said you really want to quit smoking and that's the most important part of this process. Exactly how that is going to happen for you? Everyone is different and is allowed to be different here. There are no American Cancer Society "one cigarette means you are a total failure" rules.
When you start there are several things you need to consider:
You need to work at actually vaping enough on a consistent basis. Nic absorption is a slow process in vaping - similar to how it works with Nic-O-Gum. Consequently chasing cravings with vaping is a bad idea. You can't vape like you smoked in this regard.
You may need a higher nicotine level or more than one nic level. I had to use two nic levels for about four months when I started, resorting to the higher nic level for regular craving fits during the day. For me that was first thing getting out of bed, and those last couple hours at night. The rest of the day I was pretty much ok with the lower level. Not only is a higher nic level an option, changing it up and down during the day is an option too. WTA is an option but you may just want to play with your nic level on your current liquids first.
Don't make cigarettes an easy option. Your PV belongs on the night stand as the first thing you grab in the morning. You pack of butts belong some place where you have to go get one every time - like the top shelf in a closet. Have one if you want to or need to, but don't be lazy about it either.
You may need to consider a hardware upgrade. Some people can and do quit with cigalikes. Other people can't and need to move up to eGo batteries with a clearomizer. Some people need more than an eGo setup and head for mechanical mods. This isn't a free pass to blow a ton of money on new shiny toys, but it is a point that you may need to consider if you aren't getting enough vapor or flavor out of your experience.
Relax. There are no rules to how you quit this time. Some people do it the second they pick up an e-cig. I wanted to reach out and hurt those people when I started. As long as you are committed to quitting you can sort this out.
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I've quit smoking twice now. I originally quit smoking after 20 years on August 14th 2013 and stayed off cigarettes until sometime late November. I smoked up until two weeks ago. Both times I got my vape mail and instantly switched no problem. First time I read and read and read everything I could before ordering a starter kit from Steammonkey. I kept reading while I waited for the mail to come and knew exactly what to expect. I seriously smoked my last cigarette both times on my way to the mail box. I don't know if knowing what to expect helped. I really can't explain it. I don't quit things easy and switching has been very simple both times. I do use 24+mg juice and I chain vape a lot but it's not cigarettes.
It seems like some people have a harder time. I fully expected to be one of those people. Look, if you get by an hour without a cigarette that's an hour without a cigarette. If you can make 4 or 6 or a day. You're in there. My hardest time has always been the mornings, vaping just doesn't deliver the same amount of nicotine and that first cigarette of the day was always the most important if that makes sense. Maybe that's it, if you're vaping like you smoked it probably won't work. You don't get the same amount of nicotine from vaping. You have to vape longer. Specially at those times you really really want a cigarette.
I'm just trying to show that it is something that can be done and you're unlikely to find a more weak willed person than me. Everytime you vape instead of smoking is a win and if you do smoke that's not necessarily a loss. People do it every day. The only reason I quit vaping in November is I broke my favorite tank and my batteries were starting to have problems charging oh and I had got a new job where a lot of people smoked.
Oh and what that guy said about cigarettes tasting horrible after you've been off them a few days is absolutely correct. I always tried a cigarette once a week (on Wednesdays cuz the 14th was a Wednesday) the first month or so and even the first week I couldn't get through a whole cigarette. Compared to vaping it was like trying to smoke a crayon, wasn't as much air flow, and they taste disgusting. Oh and if you can manage a week or so wait until you can smell a person smoking in a car a block ahead of you. It's kind of a mind trip that you used to smell that bad.
Hope that was helpful. Sorry if it wasn't.
It seems like some people have a harder time. I fully expected to be one of those people. Look, if you get by an hour without a cigarette that's an hour without a cigarette. If you can make 4 or 6 or a day. You're in there. My hardest time has always been the mornings, vaping just doesn't deliver the same amount of nicotine and that first cigarette of the day was always the most important if that makes sense. Maybe that's it, if you're vaping like you smoked it probably won't work. You don't get the same amount of nicotine from vaping. You have to vape longer. Specially at those times you really really want a cigarette.
I'm just trying to show that it is something that can be done and you're unlikely to find a more weak willed person than me. Everytime you vape instead of smoking is a win and if you do smoke that's not necessarily a loss. People do it every day. The only reason I quit vaping in November is I broke my favorite tank and my batteries were starting to have problems charging oh and I had got a new job where a lot of people smoked.
Oh and what that guy said about cigarettes tasting horrible after you've been off them a few days is absolutely correct. I always tried a cigarette once a week (on Wednesdays cuz the 14th was a Wednesday) the first month or so and even the first week I couldn't get through a whole cigarette. Compared to vaping it was like trying to smoke a crayon, wasn't as much air flow, and they taste disgusting. Oh and if you can manage a week or so wait until you can smell a person smoking in a car a block ahead of you. It's kind of a mind trip that you used to smell that bad.
Hope that was helpful. Sorry if it wasn't.
i agree with the nic level and get some flavors so you don't get bored with one. i couldn't taste a cig after vaping one whole day. i should say i couldn't taste anything good. made it easy to switch.
still pat my pockets when i go out and look to the coffee table for a pack only to remember i don't use them anymore. my desperation to quit finally ended over 4 mos. ago.
i am unfamiliar with WTA's? i wish you all the best in your efforts and for venting. it is frustrating being held captive. set yourself free and live a less harmful, healthier life.
still pat my pockets when i go out and look to the coffee table for a pack only to remember i don't use them anymore. my desperation to quit finally ended over 4 mos. ago.
i am unfamiliar with WTA's? i wish you all the best in your efforts and for venting. it is frustrating being held captive. set yourself free and live a less harmful, healthier life.
I was expecting to find some problems with your set-up. But, it looks pretty good, a lot better than what I started with.
I'm not sure what would help. It may take some experimenting. WTAs might be the answer. Or, it could be the form factor. Or, juice flavor. I'm sorry I'm not being very helpful.
I just know that when I started, I made it a hobby from the very beginning. Always trying new things, new flavors, new colors. It was partially just a distraction to keep me from thinking about smoking. What finally made me sure that vaping would work was dripping on a 306 atomizer with Caramel Macchiato e-liquid from DFW Vapors.
Good luck with your journey. Just remember it IS a journey and give yourself room to stumble on occasion.
I've tried to make it a hobby as well which is how I ended up with my current setup. In the past I've tried cigalikes, no good. Two weeks ago I got an ego c setup. One week ago I got my mvp and have been experimenting with tanks and flavors for the last two weeks. Can't give up that morning two cigarettes chainsmoked.
first two days vaping i was okay to leave the house without a backup pack of marlboros. Then all of a sudden panic set in. Now I carry both with me and sort of alternate throughout the day. It's easier when im busy, at school or whatnot.
definitely need to up the nicotine level.
definitely need some new flavors, I'm getting real sick of pink spot and blu spot. I have other flavors that are tasty, but they're all lower nicotine so I rarely use them.
maybe I just need to man up and leave the pack at home.
I dunno, but thank you all for your input and for allowing me to vent.
first two days vaping i was okay to leave the house without a backup pack of marlboros. Then all of a sudden panic set in. Now I carry both with me and sort of alternate throughout the day. It's easier when im busy, at school or whatnot.
definitely need to up the nicotine level.
definitely need some new flavors, I'm getting real sick of pink spot and blu spot. I have other flavors that are tasty, but they're all lower nicotine so I rarely use them.
maybe I just need to man up and leave the pack at home.
I dunno, but thank you all for your input and for allowing me to vent.
Three days after i started vaping, I tried to smoke a cig. I tasted like total crap, and I got so stoned and sick to my stomach, I couldn't believe it. Next day, My daughter (24y/o) was visiting, and went outside for a smoke. When she came back inside, she stunk so bad, that's when I knew I never wanted a cig again. At work, I still go thru two rough periods a day. That is right after my lunch break, and about an hour before the end of my shift. I just vape like crazy, and it goes away.
Try this. Go to Wal-Mart and buy a Mistic Starter kit (Menthol). (I know you have a good setup already, but humor me)
I smoked Marlboro Reds and Generic Equivalents for 30 years, but the Menthol Mistics had the right amount of Nicotine and Throat Hit to replace Cigs for me. Those kept me off cigs for two weeks until my Evod starter kid came in. You can keep them in your hand like a cig, and puff away like crazy without getting a Nic overdose, which makes you sick to your stomach. The battery lasts all day, and then I just charged it when I went to bed. If that gets you thru a few days, You'll have accomplished something great! If not, you're out $15. Not a bad investment.
Either way, whatever you do, just keep your head up, and keep your head up. Sooner or later, you'll be smoke free!
Try this. Go to Wal-Mart and buy a Mistic Starter kit (Menthol). (I know you have a good setup already, but humor me)
I smoked Marlboro Reds and Generic Equivalents for 30 years, but the Menthol Mistics had the right amount of Nicotine and Throat Hit to replace Cigs for me. Those kept me off cigs for two weeks until my Evod starter kid came in. You can keep them in your hand like a cig, and puff away like crazy without getting a Nic overdose, which makes you sick to your stomach. The battery lasts all day, and then I just charged it when I went to bed. If that gets you thru a few days, You'll have accomplished something great! If not, you're out $15. Not a bad investment.
Either way, whatever you do, just keep your head up, and keep your head up. Sooner or later, you'll be smoke free!
First things first; you have to stop calling stinkies "real cigarettes". It sounds silly but many of us who call them analogs, stinkies, cancer sticks etc do so to break that mindset that they're somehow superior to vaping. Trust me on this, calling them real cigarettes is self defeating, especially when facing such an insipid adversary.
The turning point for me was buying a mod that regulated my battery so it provided a consistent vape every single time. My willpower would break at the end of the day when the battery was weaker.
There are plenty of great starter mods and batteries out there that offer this, Volt2s, Vamos, a Provari if you can afford it. (buying one actually helped me to quit because I knew if I didnt go at least 30 days without smoking my wife would kill me for spending that kind of money)
Its sounds as if you have that covered with the MVP.
Try using a higher nicotine level. You can get 24 and 36mg in many places.
Also if that works for you SLOW DOWN! Many people get in a rush to drop their nicotine levels and end up smoking again. Take it slow and try dropping your nicotine levels 6mg or so gradually every 3-4 months. Many of us smoked for years and it takes time for the body to adjust.
Quit drinking for awhile as well if you do.Its not gonna kill you to go a month or two without drinking until youre sure you wont be tempted. I waited 3 months and havent been tempted once while at the bar absolutely crushing shots and makine my Irish ancestors proud
And finally, DONT QUIT trying to vape. The number one thing all successful people have in common? They don't stop when faced with adversity.They pick themselves back up off the ground, try to figure out what they're doing wrong, change their tactics and try again.
Eventually you'll succeed. The fact that you're here on these forums is a great start and already a leg up over others who try a cheap gas station e-cigarette and write off vaping completely.
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You've got a good hardware setup. One thing that has been helping me to cut way back on the cigarettes is switching to a NET juice.
I'm hooked on Big Spirit from Naturally Extracted Tobacco. It tastes like a cigarette.
I too had the coughing fits and found going to 100% VG helped a lot. Still the flavorings in some of the juices made me cough or worse yet were migraine triggers. I've found using a juice that is naturally flavored by real tobacco made a big difference.
I'm cheap, so I tend to order it at 24mg with extra flavor, then cut it 50/50 with straight VG.
I'm sure there are other good NET company's out there, but I'm sticking with this one since its working for me.
Here's the link - best of luck and your not alone. I'm like a damn heron addict with my cigarette addiction and I feel your pain.
Big Spirit
I'm hooked on Big Spirit from Naturally Extracted Tobacco. It tastes like a cigarette.
I too had the coughing fits and found going to 100% VG helped a lot. Still the flavorings in some of the juices made me cough or worse yet were migraine triggers. I've found using a juice that is naturally flavored by real tobacco made a big difference.
I'm cheap, so I tend to order it at 24mg with extra flavor, then cut it 50/50 with straight VG.
I'm sure there are other good NET company's out there, but I'm sticking with this one since its working for me.
Here's the link - best of luck and your not alone. I'm like a damn heron addict with my cigarette addiction and I feel your pain.
Big Spirit
Glad to know that i'm not the only one with this problem! But yeah i think increasing the nic content helps.
Nic OD isn't even a concern with me. I've been known to go through up to 2.5 to 3 packs a day if it's a really rough one.
I'm not gonna quit vapin, I've already put too much money into it to drop it.
I just don't want to end up smoking and vaping.
if I can manage to get down to 3 death sticks (gonna give this name change thing a shot) a day or less by the 28th then my plan is to get a vamo and an as yet to be determined rta/rba.
It's rough though. My mind plays tricks on me, and im a sucker who usually gives in to what it wants.
I'll keep at it. It's good to know that others struggle with it. I read a lot of things where people are like, "I started vaping and immediately stopped smoking!". I suppose I expected it to be like that for me too. Shoulda known better, life ain't that easy.
so, I'll dig in and prep for battle.
I'm not gonna quit vapin, I've already put too much money into it to drop it.
I just don't want to end up smoking and vaping.
if I can manage to get down to 3 death sticks (gonna give this name change thing a shot) a day or less by the 28th then my plan is to get a vamo and an as yet to be determined rta/rba.
It's rough though. My mind plays tricks on me, and im a sucker who usually gives in to what it wants.
I'll keep at it. It's good to know that others struggle with it. I read a lot of things where people are like, "I started vaping and immediately stopped smoking!". I suppose I expected it to be like that for me too. Shoulda known better, life ain't that easy.
so, I'll dig in and prep for battle.
Took me almost 4 years to totally stop smoking once Id found vaping. Part of that was technology for these sucked back then. Theyve come a long way since then and this forum has been a HUGE part of that., as well as my success.
Best of luck to you lemonleprosy. I am only a week in, and I think what has made the difference for me is going straight to the high nic level juices, 34-36mgs. I wasn't a 2-3 pack a day smoker, but a pack, pack and half of self rolled full flavors pack quite a bit of nicotine. While I can't when inside work, I've found that I do spend less time vaping than I did with the cancer sticks on breaks (been calling them that since I STARTED smoking, maybe it does help!) but it seems to be working so far. I did jump in with both feet and made the mental commitment to make it work. It sounds like you do want it, I am sure you will find the way that works for you. Lots of good stories in here.
Oh yeah, about the smell thing... Yesterday was my 6th day without an analog (one day on a lookalike was not pretty) and when I walked to the smoking area at work, the sheer stench hit me...and there were only two people out smoking withing 15 feet of me. I moved quickly past into an area that didn't reek. I couldn't believe how much the smell bugged me after being fire free for only 6 days.
Oh yeah, about the smell thing... Yesterday was my 6th day without an analog (one day on a lookalike was not pretty) and when I walked to the smoking area at work, the sheer stench hit me...and there were only two people out smoking withing 15 feet of me. I moved quickly past into an area that didn't reek. I couldn't believe how much the smell bugged me after being fire free for only 6 days.
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