Garbage, Garbage, Garbage

[Gentle Smoke]

I've coined a new acronym: RCA. That stands for Rebuildable Crap Atomizer. I am now on a streak of four defective rebuidables in two weeks. Two bottom flow rta's (Geek Vape Ammit Dual, Vandy Vape Kensei), A top flow rta (OBS Engine II) and a mesh (Digiflavor Themis). The two bottom flow RTA's seem to have the same design defect. They don't leak when cold but, after warming and expanding, unscrewing the fill cap breaks the vacumn and they leak through the bottom airflow. The OBS Engine II shorts out when you fully tighten it (in spite of appropriate coil placement). And the Themis had such a bad bottom cap fit that I couldn't rescrew it once.

And as long as I'm venting ... There may be three million companies selling vape equipment but, its possible that there's only three real manufacturers. The Themis and the Engine II are remarkable similar in appearance, having similar base and internal machine pressed bell chamber. And as to the two bottom flow leakers, there identical defect and and fill cap leads me to the same conclusion.

And, other characters deserving a poke in the eye. Chinese businesses that want pictures and videos before they'll except a return. And how about You Tube reviews? This pack of worthless idiots should suffer unmentionable acts for misleading the public. I think that covers it.

 

[Coyote628]

I call user error on this.

 

[TrollDragon]

Never had a leak or flood with the Titan. She holds 28ml in the tank and another 5ml below the deck.
Shut off the JFC, remove the top cap and fill. The only problem is the cramp in your hand from squeezing those horrible Gorilla bottles.... Wicking is the key to a awesome running RTA, each one is different and has a learning curve.

 

[stols001]

I'm going to suggest user error on this too and I'm not sure how yet. But the good news is, that can be fixed and your atomizers are probably fine.

Give Lots of Information.
Anna

 

[Gentle Smoke]

I've coined a new acronym: RCA. That stands for Rebuildable Crap Atomizer. I am now on a streak of four defective rebuidables in two weeks. Two bottom flow RTA's (Geek Vape Ammit Dual, Vandy Vape Kensei), A top flow RTA (OBS Engine II) and a mesh (Digiflavor Themis). The two bottom flow RTA's seem to have the same design defect. They don't leak when cold but, after warming and expanding, unscrewing the fill cap breaks the vacumn and they leak through the bottom airflow. The OBS Engine II shorts out when you fully tighten it (in spite of appropriate coil placement). And the Themis had such a bad bottom cap fit that I couldn't rescrew it once.

And as long as I'm venting ... There may be three million companies selling vape equipment but, its possible that there's only three real manufacturers. The Themis and the Engine II are remarkable similar in appearance, having similar base and internal machine pressed bell chamber. And as to the two bottom flow leakers, there identical defect and and fill cap leads me to the same conclusion.

And, other characters deserving a poke in the eye. Chinese businesses that want pictures and videos before they'll except a return. And how about You Tube reviews? This pack of worthless idiots should suffer unmentionable acts for misleading the public. I think that covers it.

 

[ScottP]

The two bottom flow RTA's seem to have the same design defect. They don't leak when cold but, after warming and expanding, unscrewing the fill cap breaks the vacumn and they leak through the bottom airflow.

More wick could solve that. Also don't leave it open for too long. Like open the liquid bottle first, get it ready, then open the tank, pour in, close tank, then close juice bottle.

Nearly all tanks will leak some when the ambient (outside) air pressure changes enough. Such as going from a cool house to a 120F+ car in the summer.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

All RTAs have a design coil. If you put a 2.5mm coil in tank designed for 3mm, it will leak. Put a 3mm coil in one designed for 2mm or 2.5, it will dry hit. Reviews that show how the build is installed and wicked usually show which tank takes what and how to wick it.

My favorite RTAs are all Genisis style, with no juice flow control. Battlestar RTA, Solomon (OG), Bravo, etc. They have no juice flow control other than the wicks themselves. They don't leak.

I didn't start working with RTAs until Sept 2017, but I quickly learned that you get no peace until you do what the tank wants instead of doing what you want with the tank. If the tank you have is built as designed and doesn't do what you want, get one that does what you want when you do what it wants.

Kinda like getting married.

 

[Jebbn]

LOL!! Good rant!
Now, just to wind you up a bit more...
RU sure its not just user error?

 

[madstabber]

Your problem is that you are using RTA’s. Switch to an RDA and a Squonk mod. I have and haven’t looked back. No more tweaking how much or little wicking I have because of leaking or dry hits. It really is the best way to fix all those garbage rta’s. Use rda’s

 

[Punk In Drublic]

China is home of the OEM manufacture. Your computer, regardless of make, was made along side dozens of other brands. Vape gear is no different.

 

[bombastinator]

Jeez you're annoyed aren't you
I got my first and last RTA when they first appeared on the scene. It leaked a whole tank of liquid in the first 1/2 day and that was it for me.

Actually, it always makes me laugh how many threads there are about the specific idiosyncrasies of particular RDTA's....you know things like ''aah well the themis leaks unless you sacrifice a goat at midday on the summer solstice whilst holding two pairs of ceramic tweezers''

RTAs are easy to miswick, and if you do, they will leak. A badly designed one will leak for other reasons as well. Each model is different. The primary advantage of a squonk RDA IMHO is it has the capacity of an RTA (or more) with the wicking simplicity of an RDA. Cost is mod size and price. Using a coil cartridge system isn’t really a way out either, because even though they are easier to wick, they will leak too. Heck even a pod system will leak.

 

[DavidOck]

Don't use any of those, but anything with a juice flow control, you need to close that before opening to fill, or they will leak.

 

[bombastinator]

I love my squonks and all my rda's but have never been an RTA fan because they're such a pain in the *ss. Something that is that finicky needs to go back to the drawing board IMO.

I agreed with that sentiment for a long time. Not so much these days but I definitely get it. RTAs are definitely more touchy about wicking than RDAs

 

[Jebbn]

I must be doing something wrong because I dont have leaking rta's and dont get dry hits.
Ive gotta be honest, I just bang in a coil and wick it without being too finicky and precious and on the rare occasion Ive had a problem Ive just opened the tank up and trimmed the wick or packed it out.
Every once in a while if flavour loss or change occurs I open the rta displace the vacuum.
Ive only really been vaping for 16months so none of my rta's are very old but most of then are pretty well made solid little things that should last a long time If I dont get all ham fisted and over tighten or cross thread anything.
I have two rta's that I consider less than clever from a design/function point of view but even they are reasonably put together devices.
As for the yt reviewers, I dont watch them often, most of them with only a few exceptions appear to be boneheads. I feel dumber after watching them. I will read reviews and there are some reviewers whos written reviews say more in a 5minute read than 18minutes of douchery on yt. I think the difference in some cases is the reviewers who write only tend to be more thoughtful and expressive in describing features and functions, more direct and on point. Yt only reviewers just tend to yammer on a bit.

 

[DeloresRose]

Why don’t you check back in and tell us about the builds and what kind of juice you’re using?

I have a few bottom air tanks that require max vg. Anything else leaks. Usually good reviewers will tell you stuff like that.

They can give specifics on coil id but wicking is a learning curve. Like how much is a lot? How thinned is thin?

Walk us through what you did and we can give you pointers.

 

[classwife]

Merged duplicate threads.
Please do not cross post

Thankyoumuches !

 

[Jebbn]

Lol!! Good rant..
Hold on! wut!
Some kinda weird déjà vu going on here.

You mustve felt really strongly about this to post the thread twice!!

 

[DaveP]

By design, some attys are just prone to leak when the top cap is removed to fill. It's the vacuum that keeps the juice from leaking out the air ports. Once the top cap is off the vacuum lock is broken and the juice can enter the chimney through the juice ports. The natural outlet then is out the air holes in the bottom.

Lots of people complain about bottom fill designs, but it's the best way to keep the juice in the tank as you add more. A juice flow control should be standard. The Coppervape Skyline is a good example of Juice Flow Control allowing top fill without leaks.

 

[TrollDragon]

And then you pick up a Plus or Supreme V2 from Steam Crave and everything else sits in a drawer or gets piffed.

I don't think there is one single Vandy Vape atty that is even fit to use.

I do love the OG Ammit and Medusa Reborn from Geek Vape though.

 

[Shadav]

and that my friend is why i switched to rda's never had any luck with a tank that didn't leak and flavor wasn't all that great....now i will say the geekvape aero tank I haven't had leaking issues with but the top cap gets stuck like a ........but flavor is awesome, then again it uses mesh coils....
but seriously get you a profile mesh rda and say forget it and if you don't want to carry a bottle of juice around for dripping then look into a nice squonk mod I am now a very happy vaper