Gear up folks. The end is near.

[VaporPhreak]

This mainly goes to the OP, but I think it should be stated (again) to the general community. Should a ban take place in the US, it will only be able to affect liquid, which is the "drug" part of the "drug-device" combo. The vaporizer could not be targeted by this ban, we can still buy bongs, hookahs, glass pipes, etc even though these devices imply they are to be used with Marijuana which is illegal. Hardware WILL be available regardless! Vaporizers have been around for alot longer than most think. The ecig was not the first application of personal vaporizers, just the first application of one that is small and roughly shaped like a cigarette (as far as I know). That being said, there are ways of creating 0 nic liquid yourself after all is just PG or VG with some flavoring. Now! Every one take a few puffs and put your fur down! We will all get through this!

P.S. If this offends anyone... then get over it. I am tired of people spreading fear and panic on this forum based on ignorance. Don't believe it? Don't like? Don't care! Peace

 

[JohnnyVapor]

I really, REALLY hope this thread was sparked by a need to troll people.

First, let me state something that we are all thinking somewhere in our minds. E-cigarettes are not SAFE. They are SAFER. They are safer than the tobacco cigarettes we were smoking before. Don't believe some guy on the forums? Do research. Talk to doctors, chemists, researchers. Go look up information on particle sizes of tobacco smoke versus PG/VG vapor. Go check on the effects of small particles versus large particles in the lungs. Go read up on all the ingredients in your e-liquid. Go look up information on the ingredients found in tobacco smoke. Go read up on TSNA levels. Go look up thermal decomposition products of your e-liquid. There's even plenty of stuff on this very forum of people who tested temperature levels, nicotine levels, so on and so forth. Don't let anyone make the decision for you - maybe you'll decide that e-cigarettes aren't safe enough for you, if so, just stop. Maybe you'll think that cigarettes are better. Hey, it's your choice. Maybe you'll even want to go with a 'safe' product like Chantix instead. We have choices, so use them.

I fully believe that there are some negatives to inhaling PG/VG vapor as compared to not inhaling any foreign substance. However I also believe that I have improved my health by quitting smoking. I think it's truly ridiculous when people believe that harm elimination is the only way, especially considering that I guarantee that everyone who thinks that is a hypocrite. We all take risks every day. We drink coffee, we eat donuts, we drive in multi-ton steel coffins of death at high speeds. We take drugs that were 'approved' by some regulatory board that do some harm. Many of us enjoy a little tipple now and then. Every single one of us takes risks all the time.

As for whether the end is near? I doubt it. Even if laws are drafted, even if customs actually starts searching more packages, people will find ways.

 

[VaporPhreak]

Johnny... Thank you. I whole-heartily agree! The key word is SAFER not SAFE. Safety is always a relative thing. Example? Sitting in your own home is quite safe, unless there happens to be a tornado heading straight for it.

 

[Darmeen]

Dude, everybody in all of San Diego county knows about The Black.


But that is not where they cracked down.
They cracked down up here in north county where I live.

I lived in North County most of my life...and I have never smoked pot...but I loved going into The Black!

 

[lobro1]

Let see :

What else is currently banned ?

DRUGS !! Yeah thats working

Historically banned :

ALCOHOL !!! Yeah that worked well

GUNS !!! Oops thats not even been tried

Are guns safer that ecigs?

OOwwww my head hurts......

 

[sepper33]

What the hell does Jesus Christ have to do with whether or not I use a PV?

Actually, as a Christian, it offends me that someone interprets this as a matter of Biblical scrutiny. I've never read anywhere in scripture that explicitly states that vaping is a sin, and that we should turn to Christ in order to quit smoking.

Even in I Corinthians 6:19-20, it's not stated: "Know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own? For you were bought with a price: Therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit which are God's".

Sure, take care of your body, it's the temple of the Lord. But they also burn incense in temples, and that's probably a lot worse for the parishioners than a little vaporized PG and aromatic flavoring...

Christianity isn't a tool to use for pointing fingers of blame. It's about salvation through grace and love, and ultimately, sharing that grace and love with all of God's people, regardless of race, sexual orientation, language or creed.

Don't conflate the issues.

 

[sepper33]

Sorry to wander off topic, but I felt like it needed to be said.

 

[Bogalu]

The vaporizer could not be targeted by this ban, we can still buy bongs, hookahs, glass pipes, etc even though these devices imply they are to be used with Marijuana which is illegal. Hardware WILL be available regardless!

Hookah is NOT meant for what you say its meant for! I mean wow, for most of all of you that preach for education of the masses about your VP, you sure do remain just amazingly ignorant to everything else. I mean Hookahs have been used for HUNDREDS of years in middle eastern cultures for TOBACCO! I'm sick of everyone jumping on the "I'm going to jump on the [Watever anyone says] bandwagon" Hookah has just recently been adopted for use by an EXTREMELY small amount of people for that illegal activity and is not commonly enjoyed because of the material the hoses are made of absorbs whatever passes through them and it causes that illegal activity to be LESS enjoyable then performing that activity in such other devices you have mentioned.

Off that subject, you all are sadly mistaken, you really believe that Juice is going to be banned? States may make there ill advised cases that Nic Juice is bad due to being pushed by Big Pharma. Although there is a HUGE growing market for Vaping and I WILL put money on it that Big Tobacco is already in the works making Nic carts that will be sold in every store that you can find analogs and you can buy em and snap off your old cart and pop on the new one just that easy and quick. Big Tobacco is loosing money with they're death sticks, so why not create a new SAFER product in many delicious flavors to market to the youth of America? Trust me, they are hard at work making it happen.

 

[Thyestean]

Christianity isn't a tool to use for pointing fingers of blame. It's about salvation through grace and love, and ultimately, sharing that grace and love with all of God's people, regardless of race, sexual orientation, language or creed.

Don't conflate the issues.

If only all who practiced religion would follow that logic.


but that's another thread entirely

 

[CHUCKLEHEAD]

To me, the one essential I could be denied is the atomizer. So I'm stocking atomizers. I have found, and demonstrated in a YouTube video, how to use a mini snus pouch soaked in vegetable glycerine, stuffed into a cart, and vaporized. I get it all .. nicotine and the whole tobacco alkaloids missing from commercial e-liquids. Plus, great tasty vapor.

Every component for e-smoking I can find or replace, except atomizers should they be included in a ban. So they're my acquisition target.

I;m with ya 200 and counting

 

[Bogalu]

I think they'll ban the juice before the atomizers if ANYTHING at all will be banned which I don't believe will happen. States like Jersey may have sorry as hell people running it that can be as ignorant as they have been to ban something without proper research or reason but the United States in a whole is a much bigger picture and also more(not much more)educated so it will have a much harder time banning something that shows no potential health hazard. If anything at all, I could see the government stepping in and taxing the juice, but thats at worst. And even then at least we can still vape.

 

[Raven1]

I WILL put money on it that Big Tobacco is already in the works making Nic carts that will be sold in every store that you can find analogs and you can buy em and snap off your old cart and pop on the new one just that easy and quick. Big Tobacco is loosing money with they're death sticks, so why not create a new SAFER product in many delicious flavors to market to the youth of America? Trust me, they are hard at work making it happen.

You may have a point - I hear Phillip Morris was in negotiations with Ruyan. But that's assuming the feds don't ban it first.

 

[VaporPhreak]

Hookah is NOT meant for what you say its meant for! I mean wow, for most of all of you that preach for education of the masses about your VP, you sure do remain just amazingly ignorant to everything else. I mean Hookahs have been used for HUNDREDS of years in middle eastern cultures for TOBACCO! I'm sick of everyone jumping on the "I'm going to jump on the [Watever anyone says] bandwagon" Hookah has just recently been adopted for use by an EXTREMELY small amount of people for that illegal activity and is not commonly enjoyed because of the material the hoses are made of absorbs whatever passes through them and it causes that illegal activity to be LESS enjoyable then performing that activity in such other devices you have mentioned.

Off that subject, you all are sadly mistaken, you really believe that Juice is going to be banned? States may make there ill advised cases that Nic Juice is bad due to being pushed by Big Pharma. Although there is a HUGE growing market for Vaping and I WILL put money on it that Big Tobacco is already in the works making Nic carts that will be sold in every store that you can find analogs and you can buy em and snap off your old cart and pop on the new one just that easy and quick. Big Tobacco is loosing money with they're death sticks, so why not create a new SAFER product in many delicious flavors to market to the youth of America? Trust me, they are hard at work making it happen.

Bogalu,

I do apologize if it sounded like I was dogging Hookahs. THat was not my intent. Certainly they are MEANT to be used for tobacco. That is what they were origionally designed for, as were bongs. Unfortunatly, certain people desided it was a great way to smoke "other things". And thus now a a days a significant portion of the hookah's in American homes today never or rarely see tobacco, but are used for other substances. Trust me I WISH this was not the case. I loved my hookah, and I used it only for tobacco. The same goes for my wooden pipe, and for my "one-hitter". The unfortunate thing is they were all confiscated and destroyed by local authorities because some idiot friend of a friend called the cops during a party at my place and as HE HIMSELF was caught with some pills on him, the cops assumed my collection was pot related. They trashed them on sight and threw them away, and then proceeded to tell me i was lucky i wasn't being charged.
Now, back on the subject, I was just making a point that most authorities (Cops, FBI, ATF, etc.) see a hookah and think pothead, but you can still buy them legally. That was all I meant by that comment, and I was in no way attempting to say that all hookah's (or bongs, pipes, etc for that matter) are being used for pot. I myself owned one for a couple of years and never used it for such. Peace!

 

[sepper33]

And thus now a a days a significant portion of the hookah's in American homes today never or rarely see tobacco, but are used for other substances.

I don't know about that... I doubt there's an overwhelming amount of evidence to prove that people are using hookahs illicitly... From my own observations, it seems more people use them for their correct purposes than not.

 

[Paranoyed]

I WILL put money on it that Big Tobacco is already in the works making Nic carts that will be sold in every store that you can find analogs and you can buy em and snap off your old cart and pop on the new one just that easy and quick. Big Tobacco is loosing money with they're death sticks, so why not create a new SAFER product in many delicious flavors to market to the youth of America? Trust me, they are hard at work making it happen.

You may have a point - I hear Phillip Morris was in negotiations with Ruyan. But that's assuming the feds don't ban it first.

If PM wants to buy Ruyan the feds will not ban it. Politics and money run this country. etics and common sense are a thing of the past.

 

[VaporPhreak]

I don't know about that... I doubt there's an overwhelming amount of evidence to prove that people are using hookahs illicitly... From my own observations, it seems more people use them for their correct purposes than not.

I did not say most people. I said a significant portion. For instance 20% is not a majority, but is a significant amount. As for the overwhelming evidence, for the purposes of this discussion it is not needed. As Cops do not need overwhelming evidence to get away with calling it Drug Paraphernalia.

 

[Bogalu]

I would put the amount of people using a hookah for other ways other than what its designated for at below 5%. Trust me, most people that smoke those substances don't usually fork over the cash to pick up a hookah when a .... is a quarter of the price. Plus those substances ruin the hoses. So give credit where credit is due and leave hookahs out of the illegal paraphernalia category.

Big Tobacco will be jumping on the VP bandwagon extremely soon, no later than late 2010. Problem is, it will undoubtedly give VP's a bad image just because word will get out that Big Tobacco owns them, good thing is Big Tobacco will keep VP's alive with there pocketed politicians and senators. They may be taxed though and have additives added to the solutions. Hopefully not though.

 

[Countryboy06bw]

Call me crazy, and I may get flamed fer this, but has anyone considered attempting to contact Glenn Beck? I know he may seem crazy, but he does stand up for the individual and there rights. If enough of us attempt to contact him, lead him to this forum, then we have at least done something.

Like i said before, i mite be crazy, but what else have we done as a whole? i know i havnt been here long at all, but i do know that unless we all do something, contact someone, then this new found freedom i have found, will be lost. It doesnt matter if they just ban the juice, or the entire thing, a ban is a ban, and it'll make it harder on us all. why should we even have to resort to thinking about ways around a ban at all? lets derail this train before it even gets on the tracks and defend our right to vape!!

 

[sepper33]

I did not say most people. I said a significant portion. For instance 20% is not a majority, but is a significant amount. As for the overwhelming evidence, for the purposes of this discussion it is not needed. As Cops do not need overwhelming evidence to get away with calling it Drug Paraphernalia.

Good point.

 

[TheGreen]

Ok I read most of this thread and I just wanted to put in my 2 cents worth.
I think the testing has been done, but as with anything else in the US, money talks.
The larger our eCig community grows the stronger we will be.
So hold tight everyone, were going to win this one.