Gear up folks. The end is near.

[jghunter1]

It's closing in on 2012 for e-cigarettes in America. I would wager that, within a year, electronic cigarettes and accessories will be fully banned.

Does any of this matter since the whole world is going to end December 21, 2012?!!!!!

My point here is, we do not know what will happen it the future. I think the OP has some VERY good points, but none of us have precognition so who can say what will really happen. As far as theories about the government go, the most logical theory is they will do whatever will aquire the most funds FOR the government (in the form of taxdollars) So, basically, if they can tax it, they will allow it. If it is too difficult to tax/enforce taxation on-they will ban it/make it illegal.

Black markets will always exist, and IF any component of e-cigs is banned a black market for those products will arise.

What you have to ask yourself is- do I think any component WILL be banned? I you do, and it matters to you, you will stock up on liquid/accessories. Yes, you may wind up feeling as stupid as I did post Y2k after I looked at my stockpiles and realized I had .....ummm, overprepared?
I don't regret my "preparedness" and there is nothing wrong with "stocking up". But the ultimate question is: if and when a ban does occur...when your "stockpile" runs out.....are you willing to become a criminal by trafficking in black market products? I won't share my answer publicly. But we should all decide what our personal answer IS>

 

[Fataliya]

I haven't even thought about stocking up, or a ban, mostly because I don't know anything about it. Would a ban be state specific, or are we talking a federal ban?

Anyone in Florida know what the e-cig status is here??

 

[Angelz]

The exact quote is:
"I bet you're the kind of guy that would fu** a person in the ..., and not even have the .......ned common courtesy to give him a reach around."

My son is in the Marines. I love that movie, have seen it about 20 million times

 

[DC2]

I haven't even thought about stocking up, or a ban, mostly because I don't know anything about it. Would a ban be state specific, or are we talking a federal ban?

Anyone in Florida know what the e-cig status is here??

It's a very long thread, but regarding the Federal angle, you might want to glance through this...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...erywhere-v-fda-daily-docket-sheet-update.html

As far as states go, glance through the E-Cigarette News subforum.

 

[cptr13]

I haven't read this entire thread, but my thoughts are this. Why aren't we close to being able to MAKE our own at this point? Clearly people know how to make the juice and frankly it looks like it's common knowledge on everything but the atomizers. Can anyone make atomizers yet? Seems like to me, once that's done...then who gives a xxxxx? Ban it, don't...safe..unsafe..who cares? We can make our own. No need to stock up, no one is at the mercy of "uncaring" chinese manufacturers who will gladly kill us for a few dollars (dripping with sarcasm...please note). We're so close to complete DIY with this and it really is a big deal. Someone needs to figure out the atomizers so we can build these ourselves.

As for whether its safe...I agree with the initial poster. We REALLY don't know. It's probably safe to assume it's better then analogs, but not necessarily better. The PG...safe for consumption..great. That's ingestion. Has it been tested for inhalation? I don't know. We are making assumptions with our health.
I'm willing to do that because we KNOW what analogs do to us. I quit for five years and I do NOT want to quit smoking...so this is great for me so far.

That was a babbling, unfocused post.

 

[Jeff989]

im pretty sure if 13 states have already allowed marijuana to be smoked "medicinally" e-cigs should not be a big concern... i know this is way out there but i mean the government has wasted so much money trying to enforce drug laws.. but its not even putting a DENT in the illegal drug supply... so the states that allow it just tax it... and it is still Federally illegal but the states are allowing it... im not extremely smart in this field but im not quite forsure how states can go against Federal law again i know this is off topic, but i mean the government has a lot more on their plate then a freaggin e-cig...
AND you know the big tobacco companies shell out BIGGG bucks to the gov't for them to be able to sell cancer sticks... and cigs arent FDA approved what the heck

 

[Mac]

i totally feel we traded one serious poison for another.

i am going to try to quit the e-cig soon and not go back to real cigs.

i think that e-cigs are just as terrible as real ones, and more costly if you become obsessed with it.

sometimes i get large pains in my lower right and left near the stomach/abdomen from vaping consistent long draws.

my nose sometimes feels like a rock and hurts to move it from constantly blowing the vapor through my nostrils

lower side pains and nose pains are enough to conclude it's a terrible thing

we must seek the Lord and give up these alternatives which are indeed another unclean fleshly lust for the mind-altering nicotine

grace and peace to you all from our Lord Jesus Christ

What makes you so sure that those symptoms are from an e-cig? I have been using them for 11 months and not experienced a single one of those side effects you mentioned. Is your diet perfect? Do you live on wheat grass and tofu? do you ride a bicycle to work every day? Are there no incinerators or oil refineries near your home? Have you never been exposed to acid rain or the carbon monoxide in a vehicle exhaust? If I was Jesus I would be ...... at you for invoking my name to promote such a one sided and poorly thought out argument that some unwitting smoker might read and use as an excuse never to try an e-cig.

 

[HK45]

Excellent reply, Thulium. Much more rational and effective than my emotional response.

 

[Bogalu]

[For me, as long as there is a "clean" way to get the nicotine, it helps my ADHD addled brain to focus and the act of taking time out of my day to enjoy a good vape helps me to put my life and spirituality into perspective.[/quote]

I also smoke to control my ADHD. I noticed when I smoke, I become calm, and counter the overwhelming feelings of hyperactivity and distraction. I also become very focused. Nicotine may be "unpure" or dangerous, but I'll choose a little bit of danger over a lifetime of disability brought on by my ADHD. And for all that say try medication... GO **** YOURSELVES! Until you try the medication for yourselves, don't try preaching me to try something that you've never even tried yourselves! I've found my PERFECT medication, and its NICOTINE! And I'm proud of the person nicotine has turned me into. I'm a 20yr old thats just been offered a 75k a year network systems engineer position. MY ADHD CANT TAKE ME DOWN WHEN I HAVE MY FRIEND NICOTINE!

 

[JohnnyVapor]

As for whether its safe...I agree with the initial poster. We REALLY don't know. It's probably safe to assume it's better then analogs, but not necessarily better. The PG...safe for consumption..great. That's ingestion. Has it been tested for inhalation? I don't know. We are making assumptions with our health.

Read up on some of the medical studies done with aerosolized PG. It was tested on rats, showing no problems. Now, our lungs don't drain like rats do, so to test on something more similar to humans, they tested on some simian. I don't know if it was chimps, monkeys, or what have you, but after extended exposure, the only problem shown was some weight gain. Otherwise, the monkeys were still healthy.

Does that mean it's 100% safe for humans? Who knows? Nicotine in and of itself has health concerns, sure. So does caffeine. Again, do your research, search the web, ask your doctor. If you came from smoking, don't look at vaping by itself, compare it to smoking.

 

[Chriss]

We don't know what the future will bring, but I don't feel that the FDA has any grounds for banning e-cigs. Do you think that they plan to ban batteries, heating elements, plastic pieces and VG? An anolog is a 1 piece unit, that has been PROVEN to be dangerous and yet the FDA has not banned them. I smoked for many years, and don't get me wrong, the only thing that I have against BT is that they had 100 years to figure out a way to make analogs safer, and they did nothing. Now that we vaporers have found something that replaced that need and doesn't annoy others, doesn't make us stand in the cold, and doesn't make us smell bad: FDA don't take this away from us!

 

[IdolLurker]

If PM wants to buy Ruyan the feds will not ban it. Politics and money run this country. etics and common sense are a thing of the past.

As a newbie and trying to quit analogs here is my first post and my two ranty cents...

I am not a consiracy finatic...but I don't trust big tobacco or corporate america and have very little trust in the government officials that seem to be bribed by all of them. If the big tobacco folks are buying out the smaller e cig companies it doesn't mean big tobacco is necessarily going into production on something that we can afford. Controlling the supply to up the cost is their game.

I am unfortunately a Djarum person that watched those go bye-bye without the folks rising up in arms and able to stop it. So now that the government didthat now it is going a step further - the congressional committee has passed some bill to not allow tobacco products mailed or delivered from online suppliers. This has all the online analogue cig suppliers scared for their jobs.

So between congress, customs, FDA, big tobacco and rampant greed in this country and scared folks like Paypal buckling to the pressure hold onto your hat. Unless we start paying a lobbyist our voice isn't heard by anyone to stop the runaway train.

For me it's already like the prohibition era...bring on the ecig stills and emoonshine cause I got a big back yard and am PI@@ED OFF!!

 

[sepper33]

I am unfortunately a Djarum person that watched those go bye-bye without the folks rising up in arms and able to stop it. So now that the government didthat now it is going a step further - the congressional committee has passed some bill to not allow tobacco products mailed or delivered from online suppliers. This has all the online analogue cig suppliers scared for their jobs.

Well, just look at the outstanding amount of research conducted as to how many kids start smoking because they bought cigarettes online, and I'm sure you'll agree with the bill.

 

[leishan]

I figure that there will always be Chinese suppliers that will help us out.

 

[IdolLurker]

Well, just look at the outstanding amount of research conducted as to how many kids start smoking because they bought cigarettes online, and I'm sure you'll agree with the bill.

How many "kids" smoke menthol. Why wasn't menthol banned?

Why don't they make sure you show an ID to buy.

Do kids have $7 per pack to spend.

The whole thing was that big tobacco couldn't get in on Kreteks like they wanted to and then..... POOF!!

 

[Karl the heretiK]

I heartily agree with those who say vaping needs to be tested more extensively than it has been... be that as it may, I also agree that it would be hard to ban things used for other applications... which is one of the many reasons I bought a big-batt mod... it may be easier to ban cigarette-shaped, 3.7 batts... but standard, 3v batts are used in many things...

Trust me, folks... where there's a ban, there's a black market to satisfy the want... let's be honest people... if a ban on e-cigs is as successful as the War on Drugs, we'll be just A-okay...

So keep your powder dry, your wicks wet and... a stockpile of vaping supplies under a loose floorboard in your house! LOL!

Layyyter...

 

[fastfwd]

It's closing in on 2012 for e-cigarettes in America. I would wager that, within a year, electronic cigarettes and accessories will be fully banned. No more replacement atomizers or batteries, no more cartridges, no more e-juice.

It's time to face the facts. We hope that e-smoking is safe. We assume that, since propylene glycol is generally considered safe for human consumption that it is equally safe for inhalation. We all so desperately hope to find a way to continue smoking without smoking; to enjoy the sensation with none of the risks. So we buy into the hype and promises of e-cigarette manufacturers and complain when the government doesn't share our optimism.

But nobody on this forum knows for certain that we haven't just traded one serious poison for another. And nobody know for sure that e-smoking won't end up killing us just as surely and horribly as smoking tobacco would. And it just might do so faster than the 20+ years it generally takes for analogs to do the job.

TESTING NEEDS TO BE DONE ON E-CIGS, CARTS, AND THE VAPOR THEY PRODUCE. NOW. PERIOD.

We don't need anymore petitions, or letters, or rants. We need cold, hard, legitimate scientific data to support the belief that e-smoking is harmless to the vaper and to those in his/her immediate vicinity.

Without government-recognized studies backing us up, we don't stand a chance of saving the e-cigarette industry. And we're all going to have to face the idea that we'll either be quitting nicotine altogether very, very soon, or we'll all be going back to smoking analogs.

The stinking Government needs to keep there stinking hands off !! They dont give a crap about poisons what they want is control of e cigs so they can lay down rules and TAX the hell out of it just like regular smokes ! And the FDA is not above telling half truths or out right lies to get this under there control.

 

[Sar]

... An anolog is a 1 piece unit, that has been PROVEN to be dangerous and yet the FDA has not banned them. ....

I am sure the FDA would love to ban analogs, but they are prohibited by law to do so. So the fact that FDA didn't ban analog doesn't mean they approve of them.

The government appoints the head of FDA and it is really the government that also controls FDA and sets its agenda.

When we claim that FDA "can't do this" or "doesn't have the right" etc, you really need to substitute "FDA" with "the government". The government can do whatever it wants. It has been doing so for some time now.

 

[tolip]

think godly.

e-cigs are a form of uncleanness

it is a fleshly lust for the nicotine

your mind makes you think your body enjoys/needs it, and that it is a good pleasure to vape your brains out.

in reality, it is of sinful lust and uncleanness. same with caffeine.

but we are all addicted to it, im just saying im going to try to quit, and we all should, not for ourselves, but for God. He loved us first, therefore we should love Him by doing His will.

and i'm sure his will isn't for us to be doing this crap.

If i consistantly vape, i get piercing pains in my lower right side, sometimes left.

piercing pains makes it scary, which makes this habit terrible and unsafe.

it is a worldly corruption, better than cigs or not, this is the first step to quitting nicotine, and everyone should ween off of e-cigs while they still can.

im going to try to, it is hard though, can anyone even quit e-cigs?!

they seem harder to quit than real cigs, because here we get probably much more doses of nicotine, which is hardcore, because then we rely on more and more. it's almost like C R A C K.

and that isn't even allowed to be said on the forum im sure.

but it is true, and i love you all and wish for everyone including myself, to resist the evil temptations of this world, that we may see that which is to come.

for this world shall pass away and a new one will be made.

so you can deny the truth and act like vaping is like skipping through a field of daisys compared to cigarettes, or you can get to reality with its seriousness of merely replacing cigs with a similar alternative which doesn't rid the problem that we had in the first place. the addiction to that which is unclean, a dependency which is not righteous.

grace and peace unto you all, from our Lord Jesus Christ.

lol,,,

In my Novel my Dog insists that I vape.
To not vape is a sign of weakness.

It's in Titans 5:10 if ya wanna look it up!



Oops, return from tangent...

Follow the MONEY.
It's what the feds will be unable to resist.
I feel more agitated about the inevitable TAX than a ban.
(hope I'm wrong)

YMMV

tolip

 

[mark40511]

I still think it would be AMAZING if they banned e cigs, yet it's perfectly fine to sell analogs, which they KNOW kills many. Wild!