Genesis Performance Questions

[samcm010]

I think I have a pretty good grasp on building coils and wicks. I am getting almost exactly 1.5 ohms each time with 28g kanthal. 500 mesh oxidized. My question is do much higher end Genesis Atomizers give me a much better vape? I have these two built on Richman Hybrid and I love it and an RSST usually used on a BAM also really like it. I remember really liking my first Evod and pro tank2's until I moved to SS mesh and Genesis. I am not really interested in "sub ohm" coils I seem to enjoy right around 1.5 on unregulated. I have fiddled around with 1.2 ohm and its fine as well but when I went below that the vape got way to hot for me. I know the mod makes a big difference and I just finished going through the clone phase as they all ended up sold/ trashed or traded. I have a poldiac coming from a trade, a saber touch max and midi on order, the Richman hybrid, a futura on order and my bam. (a few others not worth mentioning) Thanks for any opinions.

 

[Krizzell]

Cotton ! I find the best taste using it. I have a few AGA-T2s and don't find any need for a high end atomizer not yet. Do want to try dual wicks first.

 

[samcm010]

I agree I love cotton I am using organic cotton balls in my dripping atty's and love it! But I can only drip when I am watching TV. I saw some people wrapping the top of the ss mesh with cotton threads have you tried this?

 

[Thrasher]

My question is do much higher end Genesis Atomizers give me a much better vape?

simple answer? no

extended answer:
One doesnt vape better then the other but every genesis will vape differently. i dont do many clones/low end but have been through just about any of the readily available high end ones, and they are all different. some will be warm and rich some will feel airy and dry and this is a direct product of they way they are designed. I have found I like the ones with reduces air chambers/top caps for the rich thick warm vapor they produce.
they will almost always work well when set up correctly but the way they vape and the way they produce flavor will vary widely from atty to atty.

the only way to find exactly what your looking for is to try them. this is the direct reason I avoided the clones and knockoffs, If i dont like it I can toss it in the classies and get my money back to try again.

just did this matter of fact with the Prometheus and squape, great attys and I highly recommend them but at this point im splitting hairs as I love the ones I use and really only want others that are the same or somehow better (to me)

on a side note if staying around 1.5 or higher ohms I personally would go up in gauge and reduce the number of wraps for quicker response time. but if it works......... do what you do

 

[samcm010]

simple answer? no

extended answer:
One doesnt vape better then the other but every genesis will vape differently. i dont do many clones/low end but have been through just about any of the readily available high end ones, and they are all different. some will be warm and rich some will feel airy and dry and this is a direct product of they way they are designed. I have found I like the ones with reduces air chambers/top caps for the rich thick warm vapor they produce.
they will almost always work well when set up correctly but the way they vape and the way they produce flavor will vary widely from atty to atty.

the only way to find exactly what your looking for is to try them. this is the direct reason I avoided the clones and knockoffs, If i dont like it I can toss it in the classies and get my money back to try again.

just did this matter of fact with the Prometheus and squape, great attys and I highly recommend them but at this point im splitting hairs as I love the ones I use and really only want others that are the same or somehow better (to me)

on a side note if staying around 1.5 or higher ohms I personally would go up in gauge and reduce the number of wraps for quicker response time. but if it works......... do what you do

Thank you very much for the info and advice. I thought the more contact the better the flavor hence lower gauge more wraps. I will switch down to 32 gauge and reduce the number of wraps. I did notice there is a lag time so great to know how to fix.

 

[ukeman]

Thank you very much for the info and advice. I thought the more contact the better the flavor hence lower gauge more wraps. I will switch down to 32 gauge and reduce the number of wraps. I did notice there is a lag time so great to know how to fix.

i heard the Richman is great, but it depends on the individual setup on any genesis...

more contact makes me think of tight to the wick, without choking it, but yeah, you can get more "wire contact" to the juice with thicker wire, more wraps.. which is one of the principles of "micro coils"... although i haven't related that to genesis yet other than some cotton wick for gen...

sounds like you're good, and doing the right thing.

there are so so many ways to go... i.e. if you reduce the wraps and make sure you are getting enough wicking (juice) the vape will be less hot/harsh, and more voluminous...

there is a balance; where too many wraps defeats the benefit, and each wire gauge seems to have its sweet spot/s.

lately i have been using 7x7 wire rope and sliding a sleeve of eko wool or nextel xc (just under the coil) ... which wicks great, and allows for just about any resistance (as low as .3 ohms - duals) without burning. That is an extreme and requires like a 15 amp high drain batt (not to mention a metering device)... but using a sleeve eliminates hot spots.

I have seen DIY vapers creating custom inserts for optimally reducing the area of the chamber (top cap) which some high end genesis' use.

 

[vapdivrr]

if you go up in gauge go to 30g, not 32. usually in some instances a thicker wire will produce a better flavor, whether its from more contact or the temperature of the wire is debatable. imo the thicker wire shines more at lower resistances and possibly more air flow, in any case at your resistances I agree with the THRASH. the 28g wire is to laggy for higher resistances and requires a bit more power to run.

 

[samcm010]

Thank you all so much for the great advice. I do not have 30g but am about to order it. I am hoping to try rope and just have not found a decent place to order doubling the cost in shipping. I will try soon though.
The richman is really great even though I have limited experience it is very easy to build on the finish and threads are flawless. It is ergonomically fantastic for me. It has a great tank it is really my favorite set up (of my set ups). It was also priced below what I think it is worth and came fast.

 

[Thrasher]

I dont know the hybrid but the richman rba is a great atty for the money I thought. in any case good luck and have fun.

 

[ukeman]

Thank you all so much for the great advice. I do not have 30g but am about to order it. I am hoping to try rope and just have not found a decent place to order doubling the cost in shipping. I will try soon though.
The richman is really great even though I have limited experience it is very easy to build on the finish and threads are flawless. It is ergonomically fantastic for me. It has a great tank it is really my favorite set up (of my set ups). It was also priced below what I think it is worth and came fast.

kidneypuncher.com has lots of stuff and allows first class shipping; $2.++ i think.

The wire rope i use is 7x7 1/16th... skinny, so its easy to put a sleeve on the tip, and you want the wick hole somewhat free to allow juice to come up to the sleeve... tilt to wick the sleeve.
that's my way anyway.

be sure to get the measure of the length right... they have it in various thickness and lengths. i'd think you don't want to touch the base of the tank with the metal rope.

some places sell lengths of rope... but that stuff is a bear to cut and it will come all unravelled.

 

[Krizzell]

if you go up in gauge go to 30g, not 32. usually in some instances a thicker wire will produce a better flavor, whether its from more contact or the temperature of the wire is debatable. imo the thicker wire shines more at lower resistances and possibly more air flow, in any case at your resistances I agree with the THRASH. the 28g wire is to laggy for higher resistances and requires a bit more power to run.

I actually twist 32g to drop the resistance because I have a lot. Really like ribbon wire it heats up the wick fast.

 

[Krizzell]

I agree I love cotton I am using organic cotton balls in my dripping atty's and love it! But I can only drip when I am watching TV. I saw some people wrapping the top of the ss mesh with cotton threads have you tried this?

Yes, but better yet is using cotton as the wick on a genesis tank. Last night just for grins I made a U wick out of cotton on a AGA-T2...thing works like a champ!

 

[samcm010]

Do you use cotton yarn or balls? How do you get it to stand up out of the hole to do a U wick? I would love to see pics.

 

[Krizzell]

Do you use cotton yarn or balls? How do you get it to stand up out of the hole to do a U wick? I would love to see pics.

Really like Pluid...

 

[samcm010]

Ok I tried the rope with an ekowool sleeve after several sleeves fell apart I got one on. It is messed up I have all sorts of hot spots and I cannot really see my build as the eko wool covers it all up. I goot a russian 91% today ( i know I am all over the place but learning the whole time) and it built easy and seems to vape perfectly with more flavor than any of my genesis builds. I am going to try and rebuild the wire sleeve combo tomorrow any advice?

 

[samcm010]

Also not a salesman for richman but the hybrid I have is so well made and functions so well I am amazed more people are not jumping on it. Seriously easiest genny to build that I have (aga -t2, rsst, zen atty) and it hits really well the threading is smooth and the button is very close to my paps lux it might as well be a touch deivce. All this for like $150 shipped the best underated mod I know of

 

[ukeman]

Ok I tried the rope with an ekowool sleeve after several sleeves fell apart I got one on. It is messed up I have all sorts of hot spots and I cannot really see my build as the eko wool covers it all up. I goot a russian 91% today ( i know I am all over the place but learning the whole time) and it built easy and seems to vape perfectly with more flavor than any of my genesis builds. I am going to try and rebuild the wire sleeve combo tomorrow any advice?

it is not too easy to get the sleeve on in one piece. but if you see the pics of most, the top (and bottom) edges of the sleeve are a bit ragged... can't escape that.
so- did you torch the sleeve first? it helps stiffen the fibers (eko or nextel xc)
- getting the right slize ID eko is key as well; don't ask me which mm goes to which wire rope spec... i'm dyslexic lol.
but the diameter specs need figuring the get the right fit.
- ideally you need about 3-4mm of clean sleeve weave to wrap the coil... actually if its not so "clean" no matter as long as the Kanthal wire is not touching the wire rope... thats the reason for the sleeve to isolate the k wire from the wire wick (or ss mesh), to prevent hot spots..
-that done it should be fool proof... and again all this takes some practice anyway... but eliminates a lot of the headache (hot spots) and the sleeve wicks really well (granted you tilt too)

 

[patrao_n]

Ok guys. I have a mini did I bought from vaporsknoll formerly vapor ...... Its the end of days one. I am very successful with microcoils. But I am having some problems using the cotton in there. Do I need to just remove the fill screw and leave it out ? Or would it be better to uwick? I havent gotten that thing working yet. Any help is very appreciated.

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[ukeman]

did you see riptrippers couple of vids for cotton in genesis youtubes? one says "auto dripping" cotton in a genesis.
pretty awesome; micro coils... theres a couple; one i think is an AC9 and one is AL1, both by Vapinaze
- you make a nice vertical micro, trick is getting the amount of cotton in there

Ok guys. I have a mini did I bought from vaporsknoll formerly vapor ...... Its the end of days one. I am very successful with microcoils. But I am having some problems using the cotton in there. Do I need to just remove the fill screw and leave it out ? Or would it be better to uwick? I havent gotten that thing working yet. Any help is very appreciated.

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[patrao_n]

Thanks ukeman. No I havent will look it up now thank you

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