Genesis problems

[southflsti]

So I have been vaping off and on for about 2 years now but was never able to completely stop smoking. I just recently decided to buy all new gear and give rbas a shot. I was using mostly hh .357 atties before this. I got a trident v2 clone and a prometheus clone for my first rbas and have been so happy with them that I finally gave up the analogs for 2 weeks now and don't see myself ever going back to them.

After watching youtube vids and reading on this forum I was under the impression that the prometheus, which is a genesis style, was going to be a royal pain to rebuild. I don't get this at all. Why do so many people seem to have problems and complaints with them.

I only have about 2 weeks rebuilding, I am far from a pro. The trident is easier because I am using it with a single coil right now but I have had no problems so far with the genny with duals. I wrapped micro coils with a blunt tip needle and screwed them in place. Then I take some time thinning out the cotton enough to fit inside the coil and tank. I am using high vg alien visions juice.

That's it! No problems. Zero dry hits, zero leaking. I have re-wicked it 2-3 times and it still works flawlessly. Did I just get lucky and pick a genesis style rta that is really easy to use or am I more patient than most, lol? For any noobies like me that think they might be really difficult and cause a lot of headaches I say get one and try it for yourself, I'm lovin' both atties and they provide a ton of vapor...enough for me to give up a 20+ yr smoking habit.

 

[NoMoreCope]

I think the main "challenge" comes from setting up a Genesis with mesh. The only issue with cotton is the amount you use.... Mesh has a laundry list of potential issues. I don't find it hard, but there is a lot of experimenting to get it right.... Which I'm still in the process of.

For example, my current issue is getting the mesh to work well by capillary action... I'm stuck with a lot of tilting at this point, which isn't so bad, but I'd rather it wick efficiently.

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[itskohler]

Ive learned that steel rope with a single wrap of mesh where the coil is works best on my genny. It took a while to get the coil tension right but when I did I knew it immediately. The best part? No more tilting! It wicks fast enough for my 5 second draws to not have to tilt it.

 

[Bigflyrodder]

Gennies are great, people shy away from them becuase wicking can be an issue and wrapping a coil that doesn't end up with hot spot or hot legs can be a royal PITA. The vertical coil is a good method if you can get good wicking as you just wrap and secure like you would with any RDA. Problems arise when rolling mesh wicks and then wrapping a coil around that wick once it is in place.

I find it all hit or miss. Several builds in a row are no problem at all, go together super easy and vape really well. After a while you're bound to hit one that just makes you crazy for a while though. They don't get a lot of love anymore because people moved onto the bullet proof KFLs as anyone can set one up.

 

[epicdoom]

Agree most of the issues is when using mesh. I use cotton but have done many with mesh I find the best way to defeat the blues when using mesh is to make the mesh wick, you don't have to char it to make it nonconductive, because when your done rolling it you can slip a small piece of ekowool over just the end where your coil will wrap, then wrap your coil over the eko tighten the leads to the contact screws and enjoy no issues with shorting out. Remember to wash your mesh before use I wash and dry it with a hair drier. For wicking issues try different mesh and rolling tightness. I like to roll with 500 mesh, if I cant see day light through the center its to tight. imagine a straw and that's what I like to see, but not a big hole just a tiny one. A good way to start the rolling is to drag the end of the mesh ever a sharp table edge, this starts the end curling up.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I love my Hcigar Kracken, but I keep it super simple. Vertical microcoil with cotton wick. That's it. I know I can do a dual coil on it, but I don't care to. I'm getting great flavor out of the single. It's already the best flavor I've had, and can even be intense. A dual will just suck more battery power and juice at this point. Plus, I only have regulated mods and as such, keeping the ohms up above 1 is important. I'm a happy camper. It's basically a dripper with out the dripping. Exactly what I wanted.

 

[epicdoom]

I also like the Kraken using cotton wick and single as well. I use it as a dripper also I mostly use peach in it, and often drip mango and sometimes cream flavor through the mouthpiece hole onto the coil. I love just peach by its self so I don't want to mix them all the time, the kraken and the RSST are both great as drippers on the fly.

 

[Bigflyrodder]

Very interesting. Have any pics of that kraken set up? I'll try the eko sleeve next time, I've done several with a cotton wrap at the tip when verical coiled which worked well.

 

[epicdoom]

I don't have any Pics of it I can take some tomorrow and post to you PM. I found the idea on youtube after have a ton of shorting troubles I would char the mesh and during the process of rolling it would no longer be nonconductive Just P*&^% me off something terrible then I saw the youtube vid and loved it. I believe it was even done on a Kraken.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Very interesting. Have any pics of that kraken set up? I'll try the eko sleeve next time, I've done several with a cotton wrap at the tip when verical coiled which worked well.

You mean the vertical build with cotton? Sorry, my iPad camera isn't working at the moment, or I would. I just leave the cotton thicker on top and thinner on the bottom for an easier time wicking the coil. I pull the cotton through until the thicker part is snug in the coil. Prime it well and vape. Tilt to "drip" onto the build every so often. I really don't mind the tilt, but I know a lot of others do.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

You mean the vertical build with cotton? Sorry, my iPad camera isn't working at the moment, or I would. I just leave the cotton thicker on top and thinner on the bottom for an easier time wicking the coil. I pull the cotton through until the thicker part is snug in the coil. Prime it well and vape. Tilt to "drip" onto the build every so often. I really don't mind the tilt, but I know a lot of others do.

Oh, and the cotton does extend into the tank itself.

 

[Bigflyrodder]

Ah, I see. You're running what is often called "auto-dripper" mode, I have tried that and seems to work well.

Epic, is that the Rip Tripper build you're talking about? That is the vertical coil rig I was running in my RSST. Worked pretty well but still had to do the tilty thing when the tank was down to maybe a quarter. All in all not bad though.

Even a link to the youtube vid you mention would great. This is the Rip Trippers vid I was talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jagnsVTWbdg

 

[epicdoom]

I also don't mind tilting its how I vape most devices anyhow but with the way I do the mesh wick it can be vaped straight up no problem

 

[southflsti]

Oh now I get it lmao. I was thinking where are all these complaints coming from. I haven't bought mesh yet, cotton has been good to me so far. I use dual coil and don't need to tilt ever, whenever I pull the cap off the wicks are nice and juicy.

For people that tilt, how far into the tank are your wicks and how full is your tank? I ran mine like 3/4 of the way inside and add juice when it's that low and coils are never dry.

Are you guys/girls using mesh instead of cotton for flavor reasons or durability or what? I appreciate the responses, thanks everyone.

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[Rickajho]

I don't know. You can give some people a can and a can opener and they still can't get it right.

I know you're good, but if you are feeling adventurous you may want to have a look around here: Rebuildable Atomizer Systems

Welcome back to vaping!

 

[Dampmaskin]

My Kraken (clone), set up as a single coil. I think it's around 2 Ohm. 30 AWG, 1.3 mm ID. The coil is vertical, and I use the fill hole in addition to the wick hole, in order to get both ends of the wick down in the tank with the shortest path possible. The wick is a bit too skinny right now, but it works. Maybe with a shorter wick, gravity wouldn't spaghettify it so much.

Is this the famous auto dripper setup? If so, what's the difference between that and a regular cotton wicked genny?

 

[Vaslovik]

I think the main "challenge" comes from setting up a Genesis with mesh. The only issue with cotton is the amount you use.... Mesh has a laundry list of potential issues. I don't find it hard, but there is a lot of experimenting to get it right.... Which I'm still in the process of.

Gosh, I must be some kind of genius, because I never ran into the laundry list of issues with mesh. Once I had a genny running on mesh and kanthal I was happy, but I continue to read posts here from those who just could not get a genny right or deal with mesh. I honestly have no idea what the problem is for them. For me a straight genny built with 400 mesh and 26 kanthal running at .7 ohm is the perfect vape and I use it all day every day with juice I make for it.

I really just don't get why people have so many issues with mesh and genesis atomizers. It was a snap for me and I see no reason to use anything else.

 

[Vaslovik]

I also don't mind tilting its how I vape most devices anyhow but with the way I do the mesh wick it can be vaped straight up no problem

I've never had to tilt my gennies and have come to view that practice as a cultural affectation.

 

[NoMoreCope]

Gosh, I must be some kind of genius, because I never ran into the laundry list of issues with mesh. Once I had a genny running on mesh and kanthal I was happy, but I continue to read posts here from those who just could not get a genny right or deal with mesh. I honestly have no idea what the problem is for them. For me a straight genny built with 400 mesh and 26 kanthal running at .7 ohm is the perfect vape and I use it all day every day with juice I make for it.

I really just don't get why people have so many issues with mesh and genesis atomizers. It was a snap for me and I see no reason to use anything else.

Comes across pretty arrogant, just so you are aware.

My builds work fine too, and I had little issues with it... But, that doesn't change the fact that coils don't short on cotton, cotton doesn't short on the wick hole or tank, that you don't have to oxidize cotton right, etc.

Just because you're a "genius" doesn't mean the answer I gave was wrong, or incomprehensible... Mesh has more potential issues than cotton, whether you deal with it or not. Pretty simple.

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