Genisises

[Mikko Moilanen]

I am thinking about buying a new tank or genisis hybrid.I have read about different designs and and fancy genisises because they are said to give clean taste and great flavor. I also absolutely want to build my coils myself.

However, I am not sure how outdated that information is since it seems that during the past three years a lot of progression has happened and people seem to prefer Aspire clearomizers etc., but is that for convenience's sake? Or does those sub ohm cotton setups bring some other benefits than convenience when compared to genisis system? Also, will genisis systems work well with high ohm setup, like 1 to 2 ohm, or would it be better to get a cotton based setup for that high ohm coils?

 

[Thrasher]

Ok, where to start, lol.

When geni came out there were no 15+ watt mods except for mechanicals, and the design ended up working very well at 1 ohm and up.
High resistance wont work too well on a mech or hybrid though.the vape will seem weak once the battery dies off a bit. Usually for mechanicals I run .8-1.0 ohms and 1.5-1.6 or higher on regulated mods. My preferance is right at 1.8.


1.8 ohm coil on mesh on a provari.

It is still true about the flavor, the problem is in the setup. It is one of the hardest builds to master. Add that its not going to match the clouds coming out of a subtank and suddenly its not hard to understand why cloud chasing clearos with replacable heads are more popular.
But unlike cotton and microcoils a mesh wick can end up lasting months, a quick burn off of the junk and keep vaping.

I have noticed within the flavor chasing crowd the genesis is picking up steam yet again, I have several and love them. Its not going to be every single flavor but some juices are really incredible tasting through a well set up geni.

Places like vapist, 310vapes, vaperev. And other high end shops carry many of the popular models. With vapist being a great place to see whats new and whats coming.

As for outdated info, about the only real changes are with wick preperation. Oxidization and juice burns and all that nonsense are pretty much not needed anymore once you learn the pulse method..

Unoxidized mesh wick after pulsing, setup and ready to vape.

Heres my nemesis/dome hybrid

My megatron.

I been wanting a petark fusion hybrid myself. I an a genesis addict, but I still have fun with subohm drippers sometimes. But for me and the juice I vape nothing beats a geni.

If you get into it and need help, ill gladly answer all I can, as I think genis are the bomb.

Also its worth mentioning, they usually require a bit more attention, as they arent really pocket friendly and many cant be laid down longer then a minute or so before they start to leak, its not hard to see for the average person why a clearo tank is more popular, toss it in the pocket, head out the door, coil goes bad screw in another and keep going.

 

[K_Tech]

I think Thrasher covered the intro pretty darn good. I picked up my first Genny shortly after getting into vaping (Smok RSST) just to play with it, but I got frustrated and pretty much gave up on them for about a year, lol. They're not easy or convenient for a beginner, but with patience, they really are a satisfying experience.

 

[Mikko Moilanen]

Alright, thank you very much, I am convinced that at least in paper genisis and me is a match made in heaven, if we look through the fingers that unsuitability of being portable. I absolutely want to build my coils, but I don't like to fiddle all the time with the setup. I don't mind if the setup is difficult to make if I can keep using it when it works. I am much more for flavour and clean taste than to clouds. Will have to buy one, grab all my hair off when trying to do the setup, and then see how it works

Thank you very much also about mentioning that those burning and torch oxidizing (?) methods are not that good as pulsing (?).

Edit: Forgot to mention that my starter kit is fine for carry around convenience.

 

[Thrasher]

We learned that the torching is just steps added that
A actually kill flavor and wicking, as in clog the mesh and make it weaker and easer to wear out.

B add more work for no benefit

C may introduce contamination to the juice of things we really dont want.


Also the juice seems to stay a bit cleaner without all that burnt crud leeching back into the tank.

Once you get good at wicking they pretty much need zero tinkering after they ,,,,,,,hmm whats a good word,,,,,, break in and "set" themselves.

2 month old coil, I dry burn usually once a week on average

As for portability, I dont care, I take mine everywhere lol I stand it up in the cup holder in the car.

 

[Thrasher]

One of my fav noob vids. Learn this way and it really doesnt get much easier.

After all this time I have my own variation of this, but all of 10 minutes and im vaping.

 

[Thrasher]

 

[petrotech]

I wonder if the plural of genesis is genesi?

 

[Mikko Moilanen]

I wonder if the plural of genesis is genesi?

Haha, hard to say, I still prefer to say in singular genisi because I read that the person pretty much inventing this system named it so. Hence I prefer to wonder what is plural of genisi, I might bet genisis, which sounds quite nice especially when compared to the plural of genesis you mentioned. All the more power for genisi

 

[NoFumus]

I wonder if the plural of genesis is genesi?

I think it's 3rd declention, pl. geneses.

 

[Mikko Moilanen]

Thank you very much, Thrasher, yet again of that information and video. Now I feel much less intimidated by the lot touted comparable to teeth pulling difficulty, pain wise, of making a setup for genny

 

[Vaslovik]

I got into mechs and gennies three weeks into vaping, and never looked back. They are still all I use.

Those who use gennies are quite passionate about them, and many, like myself, will not use anything else. Consider it a matter of preference about which there is no point in arguing. Some people like the latest gizmo box and topper with all the whistles and bells, others stick to the basic system that has served them so very well. Gennies appear deceptively simple, but there is a real art to building one right.

You might want to give a watch to this video, in which the great PBusardo talks about gennies.

If you have not tried a genny that's been set up right by someone who knows how to build them I think you are missing a fine experience. In my experience nothing beats a well set up sub-ohm genny. It's not about cloud chasing, though you can get a goodly amount of vapor out of them, it's about flavor and a quality vape that's satisfying, the old school way. I hope you get to check it out.

BTW, if you put cotton in a genny it's not a genny anymore. Gennies use mesh only.

 

[Mikko Moilanen]

I think it's 3rd declention, pl. geneses.

Sounds good! That is all I can say – for that's all I know. Wish I knew more!

 

[Mikko Moilanen]

Vaslovik, sounds very good people are passionate about gennies, it predicts they have – maybe subtle but none the less – special charasteristics. I have gone for about two weeks or so into vaping, quitted tobacco after becoming a bit familiar with vapor. I did not do much research before getting the starter kit, but it was very obvious that I want a mechanical mod, I rate high longevity and prefer to get stuff which lasts. Optimized and simple systems are my cup of tea, and a mechanical mod is so very basic it could not be more basic system. Fantastic! But there is even more, gennies appear to suit with mechanical mods very well in many ways.

 

[Bunnykiller]

been vaping on the RSST for about 2 yrs.... ( the same RSST) what atty have you vaped on for 2 yrs?

 

[Mikko Moilanen]

Do you mean like this: SMOK RSST | FinnVape - Sähkötupakka- ja nikotiinineste-kauppa ?

That is certainly an achievement and congratulations of the Zen like peace of mind you apparently have got in this vaping where everyone seem to go gear grazy!

I am trying to get that Zen too, like I bet most of the vapers. The time will show will I get it or not

 

[Thrasher]

Ahhh the ol rsst, the AC9 clone that caused vapinaze to self destruct. What a fiasco that was lol

 

[VapingBad]

Been vaping dual wick gennies over 28 W for at least 18 months, first Kraken clones @ 28 W then Origen Genesis V2 clones 32-40 W and not found the max watts for the Origen yet as I vape 10 mg and my head swims after a few puffs at 40 W. I tried a Sub Tank this week and found it flavour less, never got as good flavour from a dripper either, but some flavours are not suited to steel wicks like custards, they really shine with tobaccos.

 

[Mikko Moilanen]

Ahhh the ol rsst, the AC9 clone that caused vapinaze to self destruct. What a fiasco that was lol

Hmm, very curious to hear more, I am a history buff and naturally interested of history of vaping and vaping gear.

 

[Mikko Moilanen]

Been vaping dual wick gennies over 28 W for at least 18 months, first Kraken clones @ 28 W then Origen Genesis V2 clones 32-40 W and not found the max watts for the Origen yet as I vape 10 mg and my head swims after a few puffs at 40 W. I tried a Sub Tank this week and found it flavour less, never got as good flavour from a dripper either, but some flavours are not suited to steel wicks like custards, they really shine with tobaccos.

Well, guess I have to then find flavours which suit for both me and my genisis