Genni pros! Cotton or Mesh!?

[treehead]

Hey guys I've always been intrigued by genesis rba's but never got one until now, my grand vapors prometheus came in the mails today, and I have a gorgeous .4 dual coil in her and ready to go. It was way easier than I thought, everyone scared me by saying "it's a learning curve" and "good luck if you haven't tried one", and "you shoulda started with a russian. PFFFFFT funny, I've got her gobbing out great tasting clouds with cotton, a little more than my trident surprisingly, just slightly less flavor/density.

-Anyway the awesome vendor I bought it from threw in a few inches of mesh for me to play with, which I thought was cool because I didn't want to buy any. I love cottons wicking speed, and don't think it has much of a taste at all, so I never saw the point. HOWEVER now I have some to try, any recommendations? Anyone tried both and went back to cotton or vice versa? I've heard the main point of ss mesh is there's no taste, and if you dry burn it doesn't matter (wicking being a challenge for genni's) because it's metal.

-I've got her going great now, but just wondering if it's better with ss mesh?

 

[Sthur]

I am a cotton fan and haven't had any luck with mech. I like the trident, but you got me more curious then I was about a prometheus, do run a single coil genny with cotton now and enjoy it.

 

[edyle]

The glass tank on my genni broke, but mine came with a silica wick wrapped in the mesh;

I'd love to try wrapping cotton in the mesh; more hot metal surface to vaporize liquid on the cotton wick.

The biggest problem to watch for with the mesh is shorting out; my genny used to be up and down in ohms all the time; anytime I measured ohms while on a mod it was different; used to have to put it on a ego bat for it to fire more consistently,

 

[treehead]

I am a cotton fan and haven't had any luck with mech. I like the trident, but you got me more curious then I was about a prometheus, do run a single coil genny with cotton now and enjoy it.

No I actually used dual cotton wicks on the prom., I'll admit it did dry out the cotton in 4 or 5 hits. However, with my RDA ingenuity I drilled out the wick holes to about double their size (sorry I'll get the size later if you want, I just went by eye and I want to say it was 5/64), Hell yes. Now it's working properly, I stuffed the holes fairly tight (so in case I had to tip, which I found out I didn't) and shaved maybe 1/4 of the wick thickness above the deck to fit through my my microcoils up top, and now she's producing more vapor than my trident (it is a clone trident though, and as you know you can't drill the holes any larger to match the prometheus), however the prom. can't really come close in flavor, it's a crap-tone of vapor but it's more airy if that makes sense, which is kind of a nice change I guess, I still used my brass monkee by the end of the day though .

-So my advice is make the wick holes slightly larger, and make sure to keep it above 1/4 full, I couldn't believe I burned that much juice XD. I'm just trying to perfect dual ss mesh, and so far it's got a hint of iron man's ..... Not too impressed yet, but everyone online is saying you have to burn through a ml to get it flavorless, but I think at that point you've coated the ss in burnt juice crud, and that's what's keeping the metal taste in. Try the $30 clone on ebay first, that's what I did, and it's almost the same experience, except grand vapors is beautifully made, and somehow makes a pleasingly warmer vape.

 

[treehead]

The glass tank on my genni broke, but mine came with a silica wick wrapped in the mesh;

I'd love to try wrapping cotton in the mesh; more hot metal surface to vaporize liquid on the cotton wick.

The biggest problem to watch for with the mesh is shorting out; my genny used to be up and down in ohms all the time; anytime I measured ohms while on a mod it was different; used to have to put it on a ego bat for it to fire more consistently,

That does sound pretty awesome, I may give that a shot soon. I like to wrap my coils first and get them glowing evenly, torch the crap out of the mesh, then wash it really good (I tried without a rinse and it was pretty bad, alot of oxidation came off when I rinsed so that's a good sign). Usually with a few quick pulses it glows like the mesh isn't even there , I had to pinch it a few times to get it glowing from the middle but not too bad if you wrap everything darn near perfect (my first attempt wasn't "perfect" and I literally tore off my coils and started over because it was taking so long to balance). I'd definitely try and get a tube of mesh going good and then wick the cotton through because I can see a little torch being made with that combo, that or have some juice nearby to keep it wet.

 

[Dusif]

Im a cotton fan aswell but i must say a perfectly setup mesh wick can give you some amazing flavors with certain juices... Jamaican rum is awesome on a mesh wick... But it will totally kill it within 3 days...


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[entropy100]

i have a real prometheus and am running .3 with twisted wire using cotton. no drilling but i keep the cotton significantly higher than the hole. almost 0 c0verage. i tip it over for 2 seconds and its fully ready for three hits.

i started with elk on steel wire and it was wicking amazing 0 drip problems even when i tipped it over for long, but it wasnt producing the flavor or the vapor. this auto drip is my favorite so far.

 

[havok333]

From my experience mesh is not as good as other wicking materials. Had to tilt a bunch to avoid dry hits, and had slight metallic taste no matter how long I used it. SS rope was better, but until tonight couldn't find anything but mesh to top it with that worked well. Got advice on using cotton as genny wick in another forum and it's working very well. I'm glad to say goodbye to mesh forever.

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[Ryedan]

Hey guys I've always been intrigued by genesis RBA's but never got one until now, my grand vapors prometheus came in the mails today, and I have a gorgeous .4 dual coil in her and ready to go. It was way easier than I thought, everyone scared me by saying "it's a learning curve" and "good luck if you haven't tried one", and "you shoulda started with a russian. PFFFFFT funny, I've got her gobbing out great tasting clouds with cotton, a little more than my trident surprisingly, just slightly less flavor/density.

-Anyway the awesome vendor I bought it from threw in a few inches of mesh for me to play with, which I thought was cool because I didn't want to buy any. I love cottons wicking speed, and don't think it has much of a taste at all, so I never saw the point. HOWEVER now I have some to try, any recommendations? Anyone tried both and went back to cotton or vice versa? I've heard the main point of ss mesh is there's no taste, and if you dry burn it doesn't matter (wicking being a challenge for genni's) because it's metal.

-I've got her going great now, but just wondering if it's better with ss mesh?

I use drippers with cotton and love them. Great taste and performance. I use sterile cotton and it does take a few hits before I get past the hydrogen peroxide taste.

I'm vaping a AGA-T2 now with SS mesh and I believe it gives me slightly cleaner flavor with the same juice compared to cotton in my Trident. Setup in the Genny is much more critical though. There can not be any shorting or the vape will suffer big time. Coil tension is also critical. Too loose and flavor will go become metallic. Too tight and it will be almost impossible to get rid of shorts. I wrap the coil on a drill bit in the wick hole. I also use 27 gauge wire. It's thick and holds its shape well.

I've been using Genisis attys for a year now and I've got the process down pretty well. It took me about a month of experimenting to get to the point where I was happy with the dependability of my AGA-T. Tilt is important with these devices. Wick build is also critical to the amount of of tilt required. Cotton is much easier than SS mesh to get right, but you will need to replace cotton a lot more often than mesh and the taste is not quite as pure.

Is it worth it? Yes for me, but that's just me. YMMV as always.

 

[WattWick]

How insulting! You want a pro opinion on gennies and reach out to those who have to use cotton to make it work?! (I'm joking!! )

Using whatever mesh a gennie comes with may not be your best bet. What grade of steel is it? What's the weave sizing? Without knowing this you don't know anything about steel composition (metallic flavor?), corrosion resistance or wicking ability. You won't know if "mesh is crap" or if your particular mesh is simply not up to the task.

I mainly use 500-weave 316 grade mesh. A couple of my gennies are set up for pocketability. In those I use wire rope (also 316 grade) with a mesh sleeve under the coil. Wicks amazingly well even with all deck holes sealed. Won't leak a drop. The trade-off is the increased heat sinking of wire rope.

It's all about personal preference. Mesh is amazingly better for me. It may not be for you.

Edit: Elitist alert: Mesh is not something you just "try to see if it works better than X". Either you make an effort to get it right, or you'll never know. Unless it's "right", it will be quite horrible

 

[Baditude]

I agree with Ryedan. I have a couple of AGA-T2 that I use pre-rolled stainless steel mesh wicks. I add a little cotton around the wick and coil for better juice absorbtion for the mesh.

Not a real fan of the Genesis-style RBA's. They're nice if working optimally, but they can be prone to short circuits. Not an out-and-about attachment as they will leak if not kept upright, and having to do the "genny tilt" with each hit is a pain.

A Kayfun style rebuildable tank atomizer is so much easier to build and use, and is not position dependent.

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[DurtyZ]

I use ss rope with a mesh sleeve on my kraken. And I just stuff a little but of cotton on the fill hole and I have no leak problem at all haha.

Plus I've found I love the draw on genny sooooooo much more than the draw on my kayfun. The kayfun seems so damn tight when coming from my Genny.

 

[Rule62]

I'm a huge mesh genny fan. I did my thing with the Kayfuns for a while, and eventually sold them all off. For me, they just don't compare to a well set up mesh genny. There's a learning curve to mesh wicks; but once it's mastered, maintenance is minimal. I have a couple Taifun GTs I use, which are better than the Kayfuns, IMO; but I do most of my vaping on either mesh wicked gennys or drippers with cotton.

 

[Ryedan]

Edit: Elitist alert: Mesh is not something you just "try to see if it works better than X". Either you make an effort to get it right, or you'll never know. Unless it's "right", it will be quite horrible

Totally agree WattWick . There are a lot of variables with this device, all of which can really influence your vape experience. My mantra for using a Genny is 'get it right, or stop'. A dry hit on a Genny at 25 watts is something I do not ever want to experience again

A Kayfun style rebuildable tank atomizer is so much easier to build and use, and is not position dependent.

Another great point Baditude. Flavor in Kayfun type attys is also fantastic due I think to the small vaporizing chamber. These attys really bring out flavor more than any others I've tried. Building them is easy IMO, as long as you keep the juice channels unobstructed.

Having said that, power is limited in my experience to around 15 watts max due to limited air and juice flow. I modified my Rocket for more air and juice flow (drilled out the air hole under the coil, the drip tip and Dremeled out the juice channels) and it's a really great and dependable vape at around 0.9 ohms on a mechanical mod. Flavor is fantastic and vapor production is enough for me. Draw for me is still though a bit tight for lung hits and a bit open for mouth hits. I have not modified the lower end of the device yet and that might just make it great for me. I suspect other versions of the Kayfun may well be better for these points than the Rocket. It's really nice to be able to put it on its side and not have it leak!

 

[edyle]

I use drippers with cotton and love them. Great taste and performance. I use sterile cotton and it does take a few hits before I get past the hydrogen peroxide taste.

I'm vaping a AGA-T2 now with SS mesh and I believe it gives me slightly cleaner flavor with the same juice compared to cotton in my Trident. Setup in the Genny is much more critical though. There can not be any shorting or the vape will suffer big time. Coil tension is also critical. Too loose and flavor will go become metallic. Too tight and it will be almost impossible to get rid of shorts. I wrap the coil on a drill bit in the wick hole. I also use 27 gauge wire. It's thick and holds its shape well.

I've been using Genisis attys for a year now and I've got the process down pretty well. It took me about a month of experimenting to get to the point where I was happy with the dependability of my AGA-T. Tilt is important with these devices. Wick build is also critical to the amount of of tilt required. Cotton is much easier than SS mesh to get right, but you will need to replace cotton a lot more often than mesh and the taste is not quite as pure.

Is it worth it? Yes for me, but that's just me. YMMV as always.

You wrap the coil on a drill bit first, THEN put the mesh through the coil and wick hole?

 

[VaPreis]

I'm sure this will be well received, but quite honestly, I don't understand the point of buying a genesis atomizer just to stick cotton in it.

It's intended to be used with mesh. Is it as easy as coiling a Kayfun? Nope. It's just that much more rewarding once you've figured out the process.

Save your cotton balls for your Kayfun.

 

[razor4432]

I'm sure this will be well received, but quite honestly, I don't understand the point of buying a genesis atomizer just to stick cotton in it.

It's intended to be used with mesh. Is it as easy as coiling a Kayfun? Nope. It's just that much more rewarding once you've figured out the process.

Save your cotton balls for your Kayfun.

Agreed. I just finally about 3 weeks ago got my AGA-T+ set up and haven't even touched my carto tanks since. I think I have discovered the perfect tension for the coil wrapping and absolutely love it. Had been close to tossing it or PIF'ing it a couple times. The vape truly blew my mind on the first hit, sort if a "so this is what the hype is all about" moment.

 

[James Winkler]

I'm sure this will be well received, but quite honestly, I don't understand the point of buying a genesis atomizer just to stick cotton in it.

It's intended to be used with mesh. Is it as easy as coiling a Kayfun? Nope. It's just that much more rewarding once you've figured out the process.

Save your cotton balls for your Kayfun.

I have duel coils at .7 in my Kraken and cotton wicks. Great vape, plus I I can check my coil and wick in about one second. My Kayfun collects dust.

 

[Rule62]

You wrap the coil on a drill bit first, THEN put the mesh through the coil and wick hole?

I wrap the coil on a drill bit, but not in the wick hole. Then, with the coil still on the drill bit, I put the bit into the wick hole. Connect the positive and negative. Pull the bit out of the mounted coil. Fire the coil a couple times, to make sure it's working properly. Then roll the mesh wick, and size it so that it slides into the coil, with slight resistance. Pulse out the hot spots with the power button.

 

[WattWick]

I wrap my coil with mesh in atty. Not because it's better in any way. I just suck at the drill bit method

Rule62 is definitely a contender for "Most OCD coil spacing" award