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'Zactly why I won't be buying one in the near future. That whole deal just sucks.
'Zactly why I won't be buying one in the near future. That whole deal just sucks.
Get the improved Screwdriver
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hi all,
over the past week i have reviewed both the Screwdriver mk2 as well as the DSE 905 so i feel i can speak fairly regarding both devices.
Screwdriver mk2 review:-
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/49772-hi-def-screwdriver-mk2-e-ni-review.html
DSE 905 review:-
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/51830-hi-def-dse-905-sd-clone-e-cig-review.html
here are my thoughts when comparing the 2 devices:-
1. both have equal excellant battery life but the SD has specially made protected batteries
2. both produce an equal amount of vapour........the same amount as a regular 901 (though the atomisers included with the SD were not the greatest, when switched to a different 901 atomiser the vapour is extremely good)
3. both have a equally good throat hit.............but nothing too amazing. (both devices produce a better throat hit when not using the supplied atomisers)
4. both look very nice and feel comfortable in the hand. though the button placement of the SD is far superior in my opinion. but that could be because its almost feels taylor made for the size of my big hands! lol
5. the 905 has the "ring of light" around the atomiser which acts as a visual indicator to let you know that the device has been turned on, its activating, the cut off limit reached and the battery needs charging. personally, i love this feature of the 905 and think it also looks great.
the SD has no indicator or led etc.
6. the SD has a very simple cap that can be placed over the button to prevent accidental activating. it obviously works extremely well, but i dont use it myself as i dont like it hanging via the small lanyard which attaches it to the body.
the 905 has the addition of an on/off switch which in principle is a good idea..........but as much use as a chocolate teapot! the on/off button is very easily pressed in and out and when its in your pocket then it constantly turns the device on and off anyway.......a simple sliding switch would have been a far better choice. however, i must point out that its only turning power on to the device and NOT actually activating the atomiser. so in other words, its a good idea to have the on/off switch....... but utterly useless! lol
7. the actual thumb operated button on the 905 does the job fine, but like someone else mentioned in this thread its just the same as on any other manual battery powered e-cig.
the SD button is obviously much larger, but feels like a far higher quality and for me is more natural feeling to use.
8. the SD in my opinion is built to last. the actual quality of the unit is excellant and when you unscrew the 2 halves there is not a drop of solder or any wires on show. the button also is completely wireless and solder free (in fact, i think the whole device is)
its slightly fatter than the 905 and the actual shell of the body is a thicker metal than the 905 too.
the SD looks and feels like a top quality device that i feel confident would last for many years of vaping. and if the worst happens and a part needed to be replaced it could be done so quite easily.
the 905 does not have the "feeling of quality" like the SD. when taking the 2 halves apart you can see bits of plastic, glue seeping out and bits of solder slapped to the inside of the body which has a VERY thin wire attached.
the on/off button is very suspect in terms of quality and i could imagine it being the "achilles heel" of the 905. the other thing is that if something did go wrong with it then you would need the soldering skills of Cisco to fix it.........and that would be depending on if you could get hold of the parts.
9. price is obviously a very important factor here, and the 905 can be purchased for around £50 cheaper than the SD. but in the defense of the SD, it is a far higher quality plus comes with the protected batteries, 2 atomisers and a bottle of e-liquid.
does that make the SD worth the extra money?
well thats not for me to decide.
in summary, i feel both devices are very equal in performance.........and both perform very well indeed and are a pleasure to use.
but if i was going to be stuck on a desert island for 2 years and i was only allowed the option of taking one of the devices with me then i certainly know what one i would choose to see me through.
(i should point out that the desert island has a mains power source and a little shop that sells e-liquid and spare atomisers
)
i was going to make a video to show the 2 devices going head to head........but i dont think i need to bother now! lol
all the best,
cheers,
scott
over the past week i have reviewed both the Screwdriver mk2 as well as the DSE 905 so i feel i can speak fairly regarding both devices.
Screwdriver mk2 review:-
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/49772-hi-def-screwdriver-mk2-e-ni-review.html
DSE 905 review:-
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/51830-hi-def-dse-905-sd-clone-e-cig-review.html
here are my thoughts when comparing the 2 devices:-
1. both have equal excellant battery life but the SD has specially made protected batteries
2. both produce an equal amount of vapour........the same amount as a regular 901 (though the atomisers included with the SD were not the greatest, when switched to a different 901 atomiser the vapour is extremely good)
3. both have a equally good throat hit.............but nothing too amazing. (both devices produce a better throat hit when not using the supplied atomisers)
4. both look very nice and feel comfortable in the hand. though the button placement of the SD is far superior in my opinion. but that could be because its almost feels taylor made for the size of my big hands! lol
5. the 905 has the "ring of light" around the atomiser which acts as a visual indicator to let you know that the device has been turned on, its activating, the cut off limit reached and the battery needs charging. personally, i love this feature of the 905 and think it also looks great.
the SD has no indicator or led etc.
6. the SD has a very simple cap that can be placed over the button to prevent accidental activating. it obviously works extremely well, but i dont use it myself as i dont like it hanging via the small lanyard which attaches it to the body.
the 905 has the addition of an on/off switch which in principle is a good idea..........but as much use as a chocolate teapot! the on/off button is very easily pressed in and out and when its in your pocket then it constantly turns the device on and off anyway.......a simple sliding switch would have been a far better choice. however, i must point out that its only turning power on to the device and NOT actually activating the atomiser. so in other words, its a good idea to have the on/off switch....... but utterly useless! lol
7. the actual thumb operated button on the 905 does the job fine, but like someone else mentioned in this thread its just the same as on any other manual battery powered e-cig.
the SD button is obviously much larger, but feels like a far higher quality and for me is more natural feeling to use.
8. the SD in my opinion is built to last. the actual quality of the unit is excellant and when you unscrew the 2 halves there is not a drop of solder or any wires on show. the button also is completely wireless and solder free (in fact, i think the whole device is)
its slightly fatter than the 905 and the actual shell of the body is a thicker metal than the 905 too.
the SD looks and feels like a top quality device that i feel confident would last for many years of vaping. and if the worst happens and a part needed to be replaced it could be done so quite easily.
the 905 does not have the "feeling of quality" like the SD. when taking the 2 halves apart you can see bits of plastic, glue seeping out and bits of solder slapped to the inside of the body which has a VERY thin wire attached.
the on/off button is very suspect in terms of quality and i could imagine it being the "achilles heel" of the 905. the other thing is that if something did go wrong with it then you would need the soldering skills of Cisco to fix it.........and that would be depending on if you could get hold of the parts.
9. price is obviously a very important factor here, and the 905 can be purchased for around £50 cheaper than the SD. but in the defense of the SD, it is a far higher quality plus comes with the protected batteries, 2 atomisers and a bottle of e-liquid.
does that make the SD worth the extra money?
well thats not for me to decide.
in summary, i feel both devices are very equal in performance.........and both perform very well indeed and are a pleasure to use.
but if i was going to be stuck on a desert island for 2 years and i was only allowed the option of taking one of the devices with me then i certainly know what one i would choose to see me through.
(i should point out that the desert island has a mains power source and a little shop that sells e-liquid and spare atomisers
)i was going to make a video to show the 2 devices going head to head........but i dont think i need to bother now! lol
all the best,
cheers,
scott
Personally, if I were going to buy either the SD or the 905, the decision simply comes down to this:
I have batteries, chargers, and atomizers. I could order a "higher quality" SD that apparently only comes in a kit for $160 or I could buy the "lower quality" body pieces of the 905 for $40... At this point in PV development I don't see aaaany chance that the SD is so amazing it is worth an extra $100 (Being generous and deducting $20 for the cost of the extras I wouldn't need)
No offense meant to the people who are selling these but honestly... $160 is way too much for a battery holder, I don't care how nice it looks or how well built it might be.
Side note: I have no intentions of buying either of these, as the Nicostick mod costs about $5-10 worth of parts and uses the exact same battery
I have batteries, chargers, and atomizers. I could order a "higher quality" SD that apparently only comes in a kit for $160 or I could buy the "lower quality" body pieces of the 905 for $40... At this point in PV development I don't see aaaany chance that the SD is so amazing it is worth an extra $100 (Being generous and deducting $20 for the cost of the extras I wouldn't need)
No offense meant to the people who are selling these but honestly... $160 is way too much for a battery holder, I don't care how nice it looks or how well built it might be.
Side note: I have no intentions of buying either of these, as the Nicostick mod costs about $5-10 worth of parts and uses the exact same battery
At £99 in the UK and Europe the screwdriver MK11 kit is comparable in price to other units like my silver bullet kit at £103 so the price is good for us this side of the pond.
All the best
Andy
All the best
Andy
If you want to spend that much on a SD then buy a cheaper and better Silver or black Bullet instead . I'd have a SD already if it wasn't for the button placement and initial supply problems. They lost out, as did PS/E-Cigs. I ended up getting a 905 for outside mod usage and I'm happy with it, the switch/atty unit is cheaply replaceable from HG's so build quality isn't an issue. The 905 is also a great for people trying vaping for the first time with minimum initial outlay.
. I'd have a SD already if it wasn't for the button placement and initial supply problems. They lost out, as did PS/E-Cigs. I ended up getting a 905 for outside mod usage and I'm happy with it, the switch/atty unit is cheaply replaceable from HG's so build quality isn't an issue. The 905 is also a great for people trying vaping for the first time with minimum initial outlay.The silver Bullet costs more than the Screwdriver MK11 in the UK
if you only want to try e-cigs then there are a lot cheaper options out there than a £50 905 why not recommended something like a 401 or 901 or 510 for about £20 ?
on closer inspection the DSE905 Has a similar shape to the old SD but it functions more like a Protege some might even call it the new improved Protege. but they would be wrong wouldn't they
whatever it is theres no way you can compare it to my Screwdriver.
theres pictures on flicker of a 905 falling to bits in someones hand and the insides are not a pretty sight.
I cant post a picture in this forum yet for some reason.
the Chinese just wont make a high quality PV as it will last you to long and you wont need to go back to them for a new one every few months it's just not the way they do bushiness.
All the Best
Andy
if you only want to try e-cigs then there are a lot cheaper options out there than a £50 905 why not recommended something like a 401 or 901 or 510 for about £20 ?
on closer inspection the DSE905 Has a similar shape to the old SD but it functions more like a Protege
some might even call it the new improved Protege. but they would be wrong wouldn't they whatever it is theres no way you can compare it to my Screwdriver.
theres pictures on flicker of a 905 falling to bits in someones hand and the insides are not a pretty sight.
I cant post a picture in this forum yet for some reason.
the Chinese just wont make a high quality PV as it will last you to long and you wont need to go back to them for a new one every few months it's just not the way they do bushiness.
All the Best
Andy
The silver Bullet costs more than the Screwdriver MK11 in the UK
if you only want to try e-cigs then there are a lot cheaper options out there than a £50 905 why not recommended something like a 401 or 901 or 510 for about £20 ?
on closer inspection the DSE905 Has a similar shape to the old SD but it functions more like a Protege
whatever it is theres no way you can compare it to my Screwdriver.
theres pictures on flicker of a 905 falling to bits in someones hand and the insides are not a pretty sight.
I cant post a picture in this forum yet for some reason.
the Chinese just wont make a high quality PV as it will last you to long and you wont need to go back to them for a new one every few months it's just not the way they do bushiness.
All the Best
Andy
i think these are what you were referring to
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Thank you GrimmGreen 
those are the ones i saw and now that the DSE905 has committed suicide we can see what its all about inside and how it's been made.
people can see what its like and make there own minds up about it.
you just cant compare it to a Quality PV like that world renowned legend of the e-cig world with it's ergonomic shape and button know as "The Screwdriver"
All the best
Andy
those are the ones i saw and now that the DSE905 has committed suicide we can see what its all about inside and how it's been made.
people can see what its like and make there own minds up about it.
you just cant compare it to a Quality PV like that world renowned legend of the e-cig world with it's ergonomic shape and button know as "The Screwdriver"
All the best
Andy
The OP has spent alot of money on expensive PVs.Why is he pushing the 905.Why not tell us about all the expensive ones he has.Makes no sense or maybe I'm the crazy one.People buy what ever gets you off cigs,no matter what that may be.
This is what it came down to for me $160 for One Screwdriver or $160 for Three DSE905's....Even IF the 905 is of lower quality and has a higher failure rate then the Screwdriver(I have no idea if it does) It would have to be MORE then three times the failure rate of the Screwdriver to make it worth purchasing the higher price model...i'd be AMAZED if it was
I just ordered a 905 sat. it ships today , I;ll let you know how I like it , with the discount it was $65.84 WITH A battery charger and extra atty. (discount code for $19.96 OFF )
Later
Buzz
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Buzz
Where do i get these "£" and how much do they cost each? Why isn't Trogg taking Dollars? It would be much easier i'm sure for alot of us if we could purchase the Mark 1 body with actual money instead of having to find a place to purchase "£" and mail those to Trog
This is why i purchased my screwdriver in the first place
there is no failure rate for it, if it does stop working you return it and they fix it for free unless you have driven over it in your car or something daft The quality is that high that they know they are not going to get many returned. you do pay for the quality in the first place though
The Chinese manufactures keep tabs on all the western MODS and custom devices and i will bet it wont be long before we see a few more "look a like " devices, it'll be one of the popular 3.7v / 6v ones next like my beloved SB.
and we will see all this sort of rubbish again about the new improved this or that for half the price from people that are promoting them for whatever reason $$$$ probably
It's a worrying thing really because although i think the 905 and all the hype about it will promote the real thing and the screwdriver will still be here.
In a lot of cases when they start copying other models and people start hyping them as better and cheaper than the real thing a lot of the great PV's we have now will be gone not only that they wont have the time and money to keep developing even better devices and all we will be left with is cheap nasty unreliable gear.
I have nothing against any e-cig even the 905, hell my first 901 is my hero as it got me through the first few weeks and off the analogs for good i hope.
just remember you pay your money and take your chance but sometimes in life you only get what you pay for.
All the best
Andy
Those are my pictures. I also did a little write up about my purchase, if anyone wants read it.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hcabin-my-thoughts-experience.html#post781252
not only a Screwdriver body but a spare switch as well
they have that new fangled paypal thing for people to pay by $
All the best
Andy
- The ScrewDriver - An electronic cigarette that simply works
Feel sorry for the poor buggers who paid £100 for it only a few months ago. Button is on end so I still prefer the 905 and that is £20 shipped from HG's.
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I just watched a youtube video by GrimmGreen about screwdriver. I was mostly wanting to know what the differences are between the 905 and the SD. I see now that one of them is the bottom button.
Other than the button placement, can anyone tell me what some other differences might be? They look VERY much alike.
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