Getting Harassed for Vaping...

[caramel]

That entirely depends on someone's interpretation of the marketing.

It is a tobacco product as the general public sees it since nicotine is derived from tobacco and then put into e liquid.

Please explain why they don't see it as a palm oil product as that's what the prevailing component is derived from?

 

[HazyShades]

CASAA isn't and they are fighting for vapers.
No.
Not all.
I'm not.

Robin, perhaps you don't realize this yet but you're special.
(not kissing up, sincere, remember?)
Perhaps not everybody is in it for a profit of some kind but most are.

(now I'm biting my lips and shall sit on my fingers..;-)

 

[sub4me]

Please explain why they don't see it as a palm oil product as that's what the prevailing component is derived from?

Perhaps you should be asking the they and not me.

 

[stevegmu]

Please explain why they don't see it as a palm oil product as that's what the prevailing component is derived from?

An anti freeze is the main ingredient in most of my e-liquid, but, as the government sees it, it is nicotine- which is a tobacco product, which is the issue, not the other ingredients.

 

[HazyShades]

Please explain why they don't see it as a palm oil product as that's what the prevailing component is derived from?

Already done; Nicotine. Even if the nicotine was synthetic it would still be considered a drug to be controlled, in our (US) case
by the FDA. Though frankly, the whole issue comes down to money.
Since tobacco products are taxed more heavily than say food or services
they need to tax vape juice as such in order to have more money to make more bombs and waste more money at the country club.

 

[caramel]

Perhaps you should be asking the they and not me.

Why are you speaking in Their name then?

 

[caramel]

Already done; Nicotine. Even if the nicotine was synthetic it would still be considered a drug to be controlled, in our (US) case
by the FDA. Though frankly, the whole issue comes down to money.
Since tobacco products are taxed more heavily than say food or services
they need to tax vape juice as such in order to have more money to make more bombs and waste more money at the country club.

Then 'deem' it "nicotine containing product" which would be accurate.

 

[sub4me]

Why are you speaking in Their name then?

I'm not, although that may be your misconstrued belief.

 

[HazyShades]

Then 'deem' it "nicotine containing product" which would be accurate.

OK, but I don't get to make any of the silly rules or name the products.
If I did get to do that many heads would roll, there would be World Peace,
swords turned into plowshares, and I could say whatever I please where ever I want.
(as long as I didn't hurt others..'An it harm none, do what ye will')

But that ain't the way the cookie crumbles.
Look, earlier in this thread I mentioned some cops almost blew me away 'cause they thought my VAMO was a gun.
I don't expect anybody with power over me to have common sense anymore.
I still believe in Santa Claus but I gotta buy my own presents...

Happy Vaping..as long as it lasts.

Hazy

 

[HazyShades]

I'm not, although that may be your misconstrued belief.

Man. caramel's alright. I put it along with hershey's syrup on my ice cream all the time..
Folks tend to be reactionary when they think you're trying to take away their toys.
I had a similar reaction to my nicotine and dyslexia thread.

To me, it makes sense to be ethical about vaping in public but you saw the reaction,
by very nice well meaning people
to the thought of smoking and vaping being considered the same.
Well, like I said, it isn't but it is.

Me? I know what you're saying.

 

[Rossum]

Yes, but freedom to practice one's religion is a Constitutional right; it's kind of one of the reasons America was founded. Vaping isn't...

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The folks who wrote the Constitution didn't think they had to reiterate the unalienable rights that were already specifically enumerated in the Declaration.

 

[stevegmu]

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The folks who wrote the Constitution didn't think they had to reiterate the unalienable rights that were already specifically enumerated in the Declaration.

Have smokers successfully won legal cases for their right to smoke wherever they please with that argument?

 

[caramel]

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The folks who wrote the Constitution didn't think they had to reiterate the unalienable rights that were already specifically enumerated in the Declaration.

The Ninth Amendment explains it quite well.

 

[Woofer]

Look, a lot of us would prefer to smoke and vape everywhere we go, some of us remember when we could smoke almost anywhere, but the fact is that's not the society most of us live in now.

I believe its fairly simple. Smoke and vape where its permitted. If its not permitted don't do it there. I don't find that logic to be overly harsh on anyone.

So you are all good with these new restrictions in New Orleans then

The smoking ban carries $50 fines for a person who smokes a cigarette, natural or synthetic {Other stuff}, or e-cigarettes in “public places.”

Public places include aquariums, laundromats, parking structures, trailer parks, condos, restaurants, shopping malls, outdoor stadiums and amphitheaters, libraries, theaters, lobbies, and more.

The ordinance applies to private clubs, private and semi-private rooms in nursing homes, places of employment, correctional facilities, school buses, and all schools and colleges.

The ordinance goes further to banning smoking in many outdoor areas, including construction sites. Outdoor recreational areas, including amusement parks, athletic fields, beaches, fairgrounds, gardens, golf courses, parks, plazas, skate parks, swimming pools, trails, and zoos, will also be affected.

Smoking will also be banned within 25 feet of parks and bus stops.

Violations are filed as a “public nuisance.” A second violation carries a $200 fine, and a third, if committed within the last year, can be as high as $500. Businesses can also have permits suspended if they allow smoking on their premises.

New Orleans residents will also no longer be able to smoke in their cars while waiting to use an ATM.

Smoking is now banned in “all outdoor service lines, including lines in which service is obtained by persons in vehicles, such as service that is provided by bank tellers, parking lot attendants, and toll takers.”

This just makes me

 

[Woofer]

Vaping is a choice; being disabled isn't, in most cases...

I`d be very interested in your list of disabilities that are a choice.

 

[stevegmu]

I`d be very interested in your list of disabilities that are a choice.

People eating at McDonalds until they weigh 600lbs... I also saw a site once where a guy removed some of his limbs to gain sympathy from women...

 

[stevegmu]

So you are all good with these new restrictions in New Orleans then


This just makes me

Doesn't make a bit of difference to me...

 

[caramel]

So you are all good with these new restrictions in New Orleans then


This just makes me

Oh yeah. The poor ATM might get cancer.

 

[HazyShades]

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The folks who wrote the Constitution didn't think they had to reiterate the unalienable rights that were already specifically enumerated in the Declaration.

Indeed! The pursuit of happiness, in my (our) case includes vaping.
But the pursuit of happiness in the case of non vaping people includes not having to smell our
wonderfully smelling aroma.
Freedom is a two edge sword and it cuts both ways.
The real enemy, besides ignorance is greed.

 

[Rossum]

Have smokers successfully won legal cases for their right to smoke wherever they please with that argument?

No, but only because second-hand smoke has been "shown" to be harmful to others. The right to pursue happiness is greatly diminished at the point where it begins to harm others. Second-hand vapor, OTOH, has not been shown to be harmful in any way.

Now there's still some debate as to just how harmful second hand smoke really is, but unless/until there's SOME evidence second-hand vapor is harmful, vapers' right to peruse their happiness should be respected.