Getting Harassed for Vaping...

[HazyShades]

Fire sprinklers would never go off in such an instance. As a former firefighter I can attest to this. Out always annoys me when a movie shows someone setting off sprinklers in a movie, either via computer hacking, or setting off one sprinkler head and making them all go off. There are two types of sprinkler heads, frangible bulbs and fuseable links, both operate on the same basic principle, main difference being the material used, glass or metal. The water lines are pressurized, usually with air, specially in cold climates. This pressure is equalized to keep the water valve closed. The sprinkler heads are designed to break (frangible bulb) or melt (fuseable link) at a specific temp., this opens the line at that head, dropping the pressur in the line, opening up the water valve, letting out the water ONLY at the sprinkler head/heads that were subject to enough heat to pop their plugs (fyi most buildings use frangible bulb style now, more dependable....look at a fire sprinkler next time you notice over, you will see what looks like a little red Christmas light at its center, that is the frangible bulb)..........rant over

Rant, what rant, Marine? That was educational!
That's the type of information, precise and totally descriptive
of how things work that I want to read on this forum.

More power to you. I salute you!
(don't mind me if I don't stand at attention for that. I'm vaping.
..Oh shoot. Almost poked out my eye with my stick... saluting...)

 

[esscee]

Thankfully I haven't had any rude comments, but I don't vape indoors at all, mostly to keep myself from overdoing it. I do get curious looks and the odd question, but I don't mind those.

 

[RayofLight62]

In my experience as vaper, years of smoking ban in closed places and public open places have distorted the perception of the problem. It is the act of smoking, its pose, that is seen as despicable. The fact that you smoke a cigarette, a pipe, a cigar, or an electronic vapour device, it makes no difference at all in the perception of people.
One person in four is a smoker, I can't realise how a vast mass of people has accepted to be target of often unjustified and high-level harrassment. It seems that smokers have become magnets for the blame of all the faults of modern society, like the "witches" in the Middle Age times.
A vaper, in addition to the stigma of being a person that sucks smoke from a stick, is additionally culpable of trying to cheat the "accepted wisdom" that the "act of smoking" is extremely bad for him/her self and the society as a whole.
Is such the size of the "monster" that has been created in our society over the years. Around here I can't see anyone vaping in public. Sellers of vaping gear make ton of ads around the fact that vaping is allowed by current law, but I can't see anyone doing it. Subsequently, I don't vape in public, as the few times I tried, I got plenty of estranged looks. As I was keen to avoid hyperbolically stupid reactions, I just stopped vaping in public.
Hope the situation improves, and vaping be accepted as a life-saving measure against the evil tobacco addiction. But I have few certainties that it may happen, as the wide public keeps looking for an easily targetable ethical scapegoat, and the big fingers that pointed against tobacco smokers seems to not undeerstand the difference between smoke and vapour: it is a cloud full of sin anyway.

 

[Valroize]

When people get rude to me I lose all tolerance for them or their feelings..then I reach into my back pocket and pull out my old standby response:

"If you don't like it, don't look"

---been using that one for years when needed

Non-Smoking people are rude to smokers because they have the freakin' govenment backing them.

"They" have their rights and so WE also Do....
and WE ARE NOT SMOKING !.... we are VAPING !

Thus, the start of "WE are CLEAN you are DIRTY syndrome...."

 

[mountaingal]

1. I love the comment "If I see anyone smoking, I'll let them know"!
2. I have set off fire alarms. There are two types in the yacht I work on. There are particulate and carbon dioxide alarms. The particulate one go off if I blow vapor right at them. You have to be very close to them. The carbon dioxide one never go off if I blow the vapor at them.
3. A casino around here use to let me vape, now, they won't. The ANTZ are winning!

 

[Armed Vagrant]

Our world is unfortunate when being a vapor, most likely people who transition from analogs to vaping are doing it for the health of their families and themselves, we all here have taken the time to educate ourselves and those around us about the positive effects of vaping

 

[Pocha]

I've been vaping for about a year and a half and I've never been harassed in any way. But here in the Bay Area there is a vape shop on every corner and I swear it's almost more common than smoking. I do get an occasional fake cough from a co-worker when we're out on break walking to Peet's but my other friend says she loves the smell of my vape so it evens out.

 

[sub4me]

I only vape where I used to smoke and the only thing I've noticed is people will walk by looking like " Wth is that he's smoking" or someone asking "Where did you get that?"

That's the way to do it, doing it where your not imposing on others, same goes for smoking I've never had someone bother me for smoking when I've kept it to myself. Use your head when you vape or smoke and its never a problem.

 

[skoony]

Vaping is a privilege not a right...nah. However, mutual respect is a must.
How can we as vapers expect respect if we don't give respect?
'An it harm none, do what ye will'

Not to say second hand vape would harm others physically, but everybody should have the right to control what they will or won't
breath in.
I can't ethically object to the people smoking by the grocery store entrance if I stand there vaping.
It isn't the same yet it is.

it has nothing to do with rights or respect.
its their turn to turn the other cheek.
they are the ones who have to respect my healthy
choice.
i will not be treated like a drug addict.
any time you are in a crowded venue remember this.
nearly 40% of the adult population are taking prescribed
medication and an unknown % are taking non-prescribed
substances. every one of them is breathing out trace
amounts of whatever their taking which mixes together
forming how many different combinations of god knows
what. the only reason these people can go about their
lives is they don't see it but,its there. its probably the cause
of increased cancer rates in non risk groups for all i know.
so i vape where ever its allowed and i stealth vape every where else
because apparently what they can't see doesn't appear to hurt
them.

regards
mike

 

[sub4me]

That's the point, you vape where its allowed and most people probably don't care when you do that. But the ones who do it everywhere are causing the problems. They are the ones calling attention on it, being rude and acting obnoxious with their vaping. Many often act and behave like drug addicts and have that in your or face attitude which turns others off.

 

[beckdg]

Probably not. I was thinking public restrooms. If I was in a hotel I wouldn't have to vape in the bathroom.
(unless it was a no smoking hotel..Haven't seen one of those but then I haven't seen many hotel rooms.)
I'm a homebuddy.[/QU

I was in a hotel just the other day and I just vaped right in the room. I think it is only a problem if 10 or 12 bikers have a big vape contest or something.

Bikers?

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[HMav]

I don't vape where it is prohibited by fair policy (like in a clean room) and I don't vape where I wouldn't fart (like around people who are eating).
I will not be forced to vape where the smokers are, as I have every legitimate right to not be exposed to smoke against my will as any never-smoker does.
I am courteous to those around me, and if vaping in an enclosed area would be imposing on them, I ask if they would mind.
If I feel that I need to vape in an area that it would be unacceptable to do so (which is not so common as it was when I smoked), and I cannot go elsewhere (for example, a line at a government office), I simply hold it in long enough where there is no exhaled vapor (Schrodinger's vape).

There is really no reason to put anyone else out for your personal preferences. I try to be the more magnanimous person, and hope others will follow my example.

However, if they are selfish and discourteous to me, I can only assume that they want to be treated that way, and I will elevate their mood with a large, juicy, room clearing plume of invisible .... vapor and inquire of them if they enjoyed it as much as I.

 

[USMCotaku]

I only vape where I would have smoked..... It didn't stop the guy from coming outside to the parking lot to hassle me, so that doesn't always work
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[Thespis]

Many often act and behave like drug addicts and have that in your or face attitude which turns others off.

I would guess that you don't know many drug addicts. The ones I know are pretty secretive.

 

[Dextrose]

I have to say i do get comments once in a while from people, but for the most part i find people come up to me more curious and i try to answer the questions with the best of my knowledge, but if they are jerks ill just ignore them and if they dont like it they can get out of my personal space, i have also told a lady once that her perfume offends me can she please not wear it anymore, she walked away and i continued to vape happy

 

[James Wilson]

Me personally I don't vape in indoor places that don't allow it. Except for the occasional vape in the bathroom or if I am in the movie theater. At the movies I tend to stealth vape and only just enough to help crave my nicotine fit I am having at the time. If I am outdoors though I will vape anywhere i want.

I went out to a couple bars last night. The bars in this town do allow smoking in them. In the first bar I went to, pretty much everyone was a smoker. Which didn't bother me much. I sat there and enjoyed a beer while I vaped. No one said anything or gave me any looks but I did feel a bit out of place. Went to another bar after that but wasn't there long. Found out they didn't accept debit cards. Cash only. But before I found that out while I was still deciding what I wanted, i got to chatting with other people. Most around my age or young (i am 30), one of the female bartenders actually had a vaporizer herself. There were smokers in there too but I didn't feel out of place as much. When I am in public I have had a few people give me looks with it but not say anything most of the time. A few times I have heard the "Their worse for you then cigarettes" line. I usually try to educate them but some won't ever listen. When I first started vaping I had a guy ask me about it at the laundry mat. I explained it to him. I let him try it. He liked it. He was prob in his 40s and a smoker but seemed really interested in it. I wrote down the info of my setup for him. At the time I couldn't really give him more info then that like I could now. But anyways no idea if he ever went through with him since I didn't see him again but hopefully he did.

The reason I think so many ex-smokers try to vape everyone is because they want to take back their freedom. As smokers they had right after right taken away from them. To this day their still cracking down. There are cities and some towns where they ban smoking and even e-cigs in their bars. Not the bar's choices mind you. Rather the city or town. Bars hate it cause it hurts their business. Let's look at the rights smokers have lost over the years.

1. First they were gathered in smoking only rooms. Which was of course even worse on them in some places. But it was fine and tolerable. That is how it was in most restaurants when I was growing up.

2. Restaurants and pretty much every public place banned smoking inside them. Fine smokers could understand that too.

3. They banned smoking in most Zoos. Ok understandable. Annoying for smokers but good for the animals.

4. They began banning smoking in front of public entrances. Some places this is manageable. Some not so much. Especially if it is a strip mall or something.

5. They started banning them completely from hospital property. Ok some started this before the entrance ways thing but still. This even includes parking lots. something which as a smoker I never obeyed. I'd still go out to the car or somewhere else in the parking lot to smoke. My mom has been in the hospital a lot over the years. So I have spent a lot of time at hospitals.

6. Statewide bans of Smoking in Hotels. Indiana is one of those states. Then you get people from out of state complaining of the smell of a room wondering if it used to be a smoking room. Anyone from Indiana knows odds are it was a smoking room at one point. Smokers still find ways to smoke in them too. Such as putting paper towels on the smoke detectors so they won't go off. Crack a window as they do it. the cheaper places won't complain about the smell usually.

7. Towns and cities began putting smoking bans on bars. So every time a smoker steps out for a smoke they run the risk of being arrested for PI.

8. Towns and cities put bans on smoking in parks. Ok not exactly a new one but still outrageous. Cig butts only started to become a problem in parks after they put this in. Parks that used to allow it used to have ash trays around and a lot of people usually would use those. Not all of course but still. I have even seen a ban of not smoking within 15 feet of the park. Yeah needless to say I never obeyed those bans. Usually didn't get people saying anything to me about it.


They keep trying to put more and more bans on smoking in places. Smokers are tired of it. So when they come over to e-cigs they know that these aren't bad for others like cigs and that there is no good reason for those bans. The smoking bans were supposed to be there to protect the others. It is the only reason smokers caved so much. Many of the ads for ciglikes that target smokers like to throw in stuff like "Freedom to smoke anywhere" and stuff like that. Or "Regain your freedom". So when they turn to vaping they expect they should have those freedoms. In all rights I think they should as long as they aren't billowing large clouds. Instead they are stuck having to follow the same restrictions as smokers. They think to themselves "But I am not smoking. Shouldn't I be free of that". While I try to show respect for places and people, even I hate these restrictions. To make matters worse their trying to constantly impose tougher restrictions and laws. So yeah some people have become a holes and vape anywhere. But at times I almost can't blame them. Not with how we are all treated.

 

[stevegmu]

We live in the society we created by electing politicians to draft and enact laws which the majority of the voting population wants. If not, those politicians wouldn't have been elected or be reelected...
Even in countries where the majority of the adult population smokes, smoking restrictions are taking place- like in public buildings and public transportation. Voluntary prohibitions at restaurants and hotels is now commonplace. Fortunately people in countries like the Czech Republic understand vaping is not smoking; but they are not a nanny state governed by progressives who don't want children to see people smoking or vaping.

I had a profound moment of clarity several years ago while in Prague. I was at a park in summer with a Czech buddy of mine and his 3 year old son. We were at a beer garden next to a playground. His son, who takes after his father, was chasing girls around, while we ordered beer. It was mid day, the weather was beautiful, the park was crowded- mostly with young women who were drinking beer at the beer garden, while their children were playing at the park. I can see why my friend likes the park... When our beers arrived my friend's son ran up saying ,"piva, piva." My friend helped his son take a sip of beer, who then went back to the park to play. I looked around and the women were smiling, not shocked. Police weren't called; no one was arrested. My friend and most of the women were even smoking around their children. It was then I knew Prague was nothing like the US. Yes, they speak English, dress like us, look like us- albeit the women are better looking... It is their freedom which I then knew I desired and would never realize in the US...

 

[Kivrin]

About 10 years ago, I got to go work in Vienna for a year (lucky me )

Smoking was almost everywhere. Non-smokers I met would let you smoke in their house. We could smoke in the office. You could smoke inside the building during intermission at a symphony concert or the opera. It was like going back in a time machine to the US when I started smoking. I was so programmed to go outside at this point, people would laugh at me for being reluctant to just light up.

When I was at the airport after a trip back to the states for Christmas, I was monster jet-lagged, waiting for my ride, drinking coffee and chain-smoking after a transatlantic flight with no cigs and trying to stay awake. At the next table were two Americans who, from their conversation, seemed to be in Vienna to educate the Viennese about anti-smoking. They were LOUD. They were going on and on LOUDLY about how STUPID these Viennese people were and how they were all going to die.

They kept looking over at me and I didn't say anything and I just kept smoking and I was getting ...... off because my ride was really late and I was so exhausted. But I was thinking...man, you dudes are being so rude and so loud and a lot of people around you speak English and some of these "Viennese" are actually Americans or Brits or Dutch or whatnot (you are at the AIRPORT!)

I don't know if things have changed there in the last decade, but I assume they probably have. It happened pretty quickly here in the States.

I don't know if I have a point, but I really liked James Wilson's post and stevegmu's post and it reminded me of that day. I haven't been vaping long, but plan on vaping wherever I would smoke. Which was mostly at home, in the car, and when I walk to run errands instead of driving.

 

[caramel]

We live in the society we created by electing politicians to draft and enact laws which the majority of the voting population wants.

 

[beckdg]

I would guess that you don't know many drug addicts. The ones I know are pretty secretive.

This guy gets it.

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