GGTS knockoff to the max!

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imeothanasis

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Long, you said everything in 2 posts.

pounder, if you read the rest of the posts on this thread and to other threads with similar issue, you will understand that its the same like someone tries to steal your house. I think that you will react, yes?

And of course you will not support a thief if you see him stealing a car, yes?

Things are simple and better not to make them complicated. Thief is a thief even if he steals to feed his family because he takes money that dont belong to him and because he steals money from another family.

Even goverments recognize the copy work as a thief work and made laws about it.
 

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What chapped my rear is not only have we not told them to not buy the fakes but when they have and came in here looking for help we have opened the door and did the best we could. Then this clown comes into our house and says we're the bad guy because he would rather place a dollar ahead of his principals.

Wrong house to go in and start kicking the dog. Forget the dog Beware of owner.
 

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don't worry long haul...most of the people buying the cheaper crappy copycats are having issues with them...the pins are breaking the machining is crap and they are cross threading...the cones are crooked...people are breaking their pins/posts in the 1st attempt to rebuild and can't get replacements...now you paid a cheaper price but what did you really get? a paperweight?

bottom line...karmas a bitttch and you get what you pay for.

I feel badly for the newbies out there that just don't know and think they are getting quality.
 

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Yea but to come in here and toss out that crap hit me the wrong way. We have been patient as we can with the copy cats and its all good because some people simply cannot learn any other way that its cheaper to get what you want to start with than to keep buying junk only to end the journey where you should have begun it.

My only worry is that these people will try to use a copy to judge the GG and that's simply not right if they do.
 

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Some day maybe someone will make a better GGTS than me. He will go to a super machine shop that makes parts for missles and he will make it better. And then he will compare it to the real GGTS as you said Long. So what?

What it really matters is the material and the machining or the thought behind a product? I could have made GG series on lathe by hand. It would be still better than the other simple made mods even the others were made by gold.
 

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The guy stealing the car is bad but the guy buying the stolen car from the bad guy is good......really I'm pretty sure I could run that by my grand kids and they would even have a basic understanding that the car is still stolen
While I do completely agree with you on this, comparing somebody who buys a clone PV to somebody that steals cars is a bit extreme.
 

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Buying clones for many of us is not about the money -it is about actually being able to buy products NOW and not get ripped off in the process. The vapeware auction sites are having a field day because all the brilliant and fantastic mod makers are just the worst businessmen I have ever encountered -basically a bunch of amateurs with great technical skills. If they don't fulfill demand they WILL lose huge amounts of business to the mass produced products coming out of China -It is as simple as that.

GGTS Out of stock
Ithaka Out of stock
Caravela Out of stock
Poldiac Out of stock
Mojo Out of stock
Juggernaut Out of stock
Svoe Mesto Out of stock
GP Paps Out of stock

This list goes on and on. Actually we should all say thank you to the Chinese who first of all invented what we currently call "vaping" and secondly are able to supply products to the market in a timely fashion. As one poster pointed out the difference between the cost of an original and clone in some cases is not that great.
 

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I disagree with you colin that China invented e-cigs. It was an American guy on 1953 or 1963. China just brought them to the merket because they had the money to do it.

I agree with you about how I handle my business and that I am an amateur, because I am. I dont know about other people but I am working for the glory (if we can say it that way) and not for the money. My customers are only a few comparing to China factories and I want to keep it that way.

And be sure that if production line was much bigger then you wouldnt be able to have every 1-2 months a new GG construction, nor so good, nor so fast.

Without modders like me and others you would still vape the first thin e-cigs that were made before 4 years, so dont thank China. Better thank modders that drive China to make what customers prefere

Think about that and you will see that I am right.
 

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Buying clones for many of us is not about the money -it is about actually being able to buy products NOW and not get ripped off in the process. The vapeware auction sites are having a field day because all the brilliant and fantastic mod makers are just the worst businessmen I have ever encountered -basically a bunch of amateurs with great technical skills. If they don't fulfill demand they WILL lose huge amounts of business to the mass produced products coming out of China -It is as simple as that.

GGTS Out of stock
Ithaka Out of stock
Caravela Out of stock
Poldiac Out of stock
Mojo Out of stock
Juggernaut Out of stock
Svoe Mesto Out of stock
GP Paps Out of stock

This list goes on and on. Actually we should all say thank you to the Chinese who first of all invented what we currently call "vaping" and secondly are able to supply products to the market in a timely fashion. As one poster pointed out the difference between the cost of an original and clone in some cases is not that great.

I disagree with you, in my personal opinion:

Good things take time, a lot of thinking, time to design, to test and test and then re design, to build, to inspect every and each part.

It is easy to say that some mode makers are the worst businessmen, but if you see it from another point of view, not everything involved is about selling things and making money: there is passion for the thing they do, innovations, quality, they like to be involved all the time with the products they make, every mod have to pass by the creator hands.

I do not know all the creators you listed, but I know some of them, and for those who I do, the money making and selling it's PVs is not the main objetive. You should know the reason why they started, what they were looking for when they started, which is the spirit and main objective of what they do and maybe you will understand why you can´t buy one of those products exactly in the instant you want to do so.

Of course, for any creator would be very easy to come to an agreement with some big company to mass produce the product, send the blueprints and just to sit while the product is being made, hire others to inspect, test, sell and support the product -just like any other commercial product or service-, the result will be "a cold" product, that will not accomplish the for what, and why it was created.


Clones are the easy way for some Chinese companies: they do not invest in research, thinking, design, testing, innovate. They just copy a product and produce it in big quantities with low quality materials, they just are interested in making easy money, for me that is stealing. They do not support the product, no warranty, no communications with costumers in case if problems, they just use the work of others, like some clones that there were selling in which they even used pictures, information, diagrams from the wiki of the original product, and so on.

I remember, like two months ago there were some guys from a Mexican facebook group (I'm a member of that group), they organized a co-op buying for an "Odysseus clone" (tobeco) from China (like many other guys from all around the world), of course I didn't get involved and I tried to let them know about the mistake they were doing, nobody listened, they just were happy because they thought the esasy way: they will get an Odysseus for around $25.00. At the end, time spoke when they got the product: in short terms they lost $25.00 and some of them have learnt the lesson by themselfs.

By saying "I have ever encountered -basically a bunch of amateurs with great technical skills" and listing GGTS, Ithaka you are implying Imeo, are you serious? That's so funny, to say that Imeo is an amateur with great skills.

Buying a GG product is very easy, did you know there will be a batch of GGTSs & Stealths and more Ithakas? of course, if you think the wait is not worth it, buy another product.

I have read any number of justifications for why people buy cheap copies:

"The original product is too expensive, by buying a clone I'll save money and I will have the same experience of the original one."
-Save some money and buy the real thing, instead of lose your money buying tons of cheap bad copy products.

"The original product is never available, the only way to own one is by buying a clone."
-You really want the real deal? Invest a little, just a little of time to learn how and when the product will be available, you will see it is not that difficult.


"The original cretor should be making tons of money by overpricing his product, I'll not pay that money and make him more rich, instead that I prefer to be smart and I'll get a cheap product."
-Well, there is a saying "Do not try to teach a pig to sing: you will lose your time and you will you'll piss off the pig.", continue feeling that you are smart and thinking that you will save money.
 

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Imeo, firstly, amazing that you would take the time to answer my rant - but I guess that is why you are legendary in this world of vaping. I have been vaping for 7 months and have been trying to pick up a quality mod since my first week. It is just impossible. You guys cannot make enough of your product to satisfy demand so many people are taking advantage of this and are profiting from your enterprise (and they are not Chinese). There is an auction for a GG mod currently on Facebook and the price is already at Euro 650. They are also selling an Ithaka and that is already over Euro 350. This is because you are still an artist/creator/pioneer and not a businessman. You are crafting new products before your older renditions have run their full business cycle. Hey I understand you Imeo -you are a person with immense passion - you cannot stop yourself constantly improving your product with new versions -but from a accepted business standpoint that is disastrous. It means that only a select lucky few will ever experience your labours of love. I know the vaping business is moving at an unbelievable rate and that there is a need to keep up with all the new advancements BUT look at Provape. Their Provari is older technology but they are still selling like they were launched yesterday. I also understand that it is probably not your desire to make millions of dollars and grow a huge business empire but please can you understand how frustrating it is for so many people not to be able to get their hands on quality product. This is why the China clone business is thriving -it is not the price. I believe if you put 10,000 GGTS on the market tomorrow you would sell out in an hour I also believe if you put 5000 Odysseus on the market you would also sell them out. I am guessing however you are already planning the next new products.

Ok so I know I will be "raped" for saying these things. Who am I a newbie vaper to be talking like this to a legend? Well I am nothing -and I am everything - I am the next generation of vaper. I don't have tattoos, I don't wear my cap backwards, I don't ride a bike and I certainly don't do ... :) For me, your mods are not expensive -vaping is by far the cheapest hobby I have but it is one that drives me to despair because the supply lines are so fragmented.

If you are so set on only having "a few customers" then please understand that you are making far more people unhappy that they cannot enjoy your creations.

Lastly, I do thank you and the other modders for making all this possible. Without you I would still be smoking 2 packs a day and coughing my lungs up - which is actually the main thing here. Me throwing a hissy fit because I can't get a new toy is nothing compared to actually being able to vape. You do have my greatest respect - even if you are a lousy businessmen ;-)


From Wikipedia
Hon Lik, a Chinese pharmacist, is widely credited with the invention of the first generation electronic cigarette. In 2000, he came up with the idea of using a piezoelectric ultrasound-emitting element to vaporize a pressurized jet of liquid containing nicotine diluted in a propylene glycol solution.
 

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Thanks for the reply -I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But I still maintain these modders are amateur businessmen (sorry if my post was not clear) and that leaves the door wide open for the slick Chinese cloners to flood the market. And I do agree they are stealing but some of them are also creating new and innovative products themselves.

I also disagree with some of the other posters. The AGA T2 produces as good of a vape as any original that I own as do the chobras. My VV VW Chinese mods are functioning just fine and they are 3-7 months old.
 

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I have been vaping for 7 months and have been trying to pick up a quality mod since my first week. It is just impossible.

It's not impossible at all. I only joined the GG clan 9 months ago. In that time I've picked up a Penelope, a TB, a GGTS, a UFS, a Stealth and an Ithaka. All brand new and all bought at retail pricing. Just by being on the forum and paying attention to when the pre-orders are starting. Granted you can't get one right now, but if you put a little time and planning into it you will get what you want. :)
 
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