Glycerin - Oh No - Not Again

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I know this horse has been beat slap to death...but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I've about come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a so-called exclusive "pharma grade" glycerin...What I saying is FDA approved Glycerine USP is one in the same...food and pharma grade...

Several grades of refined glycerol, such as high gravity, dynamite, and USP, are marketed; specifications vary depending on the consumer and the intended use. USP-grade glycerol is water-white, and meets the requirements of the USP. It is classified as GRAS by the FDA, and is suitable for use in foods, pharmaceuticals, and cosmetics, or when the highest quality is demanded or the product is designed for human consumption. It has a minimum specific gravity (25 deg C/25 deg C) of 1.249, corresponding to no less than 95% glycerol. Kosher glycerin meets all USP requirements and is produced by synthetically or from 100% vegetable glycerides. The European Pharmacopoeia (PH.EUR.) grade is similar to the USP, but the common PH.EUR. grade has a minimum glycerol content of 99.5%. The chemically pure (CP) grade designates a grade of glycerol that is about the same as the USP but with the specifications varying slightly as agreed by buyer and seller. The high gravity grade is a pale-yellow glycerol for industrial use with a minimum specific gravity (25 deg C/25 deg C) of 1.2595. The dynamite grade has the same specific gravity but is more yellow.
 
Came across info that not all glycerin is the same molecule. In looking at chemists info the length/weight of the molecule is highly significant as regards 'vape-ability'.
Do not recall off hand but the number 400 sticks in my memory as being the molecule length that vapes well whilst other glycerin products such as those retailed for skin moisturizers will have a different number. It not only seems to make a difference in the heating device, also in the experience.
I have not seen anyone address this in a knowledgable way.
 

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You're right, this horse has been beat to death several times now. I'm only going to post my simple solution and, right or wrong, let it go at that.

Glycerin can have two sources, animal and vegetable. I look for the word 'vegetable' in the label. The source I use (essential depot) is also usp but if it was only food grade I'd still give it a try.

Look up the big thread here on the boards if you'd like to read more. vape on! :vapor:
 

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If it says USP and doesn't list any other ingredients, it's good for vaping, although there are people who swear that VG from one source is sweeter than that from another source.

Both of these are 99.5% pure USP VG. We don't know what the other .5% is. Since VG readily absorbs water from the air, the other .5% is probably H2O. It's the same with alcohol. When you open the bottle, the proof level drops a little as it absorbs water from the air.

CVS Pure Glycerin USP - CVS pharmacy

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Humco-Glycerin-USP-Skin-Protectant-6-oz/10417582
 
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Yeah but...but...uh you're only spose' to vape Glycerin USP, and yeah, just make sure it's "phama grade" ...but is it 100% Kosher, that's the best, but, but so and so sells "food grade" but is it made with byproducts or is it vegetable...but I want "pharma grade" every supplier says there glycerin is "food grade" ...and I read to only use "pharma grade" ...oh my, I'm so confused...and according to the sticky....

Only the pharma grade of these materials should be used for inhalation, in theory, since all other grades contain contaminants to an increasing degree (the difference between the grades is the percentage of contaminants).

Pharmaceutical Grade - for human consumption including by inhalation
Food Grade - for human consumption by ingestion but not inhalation

If one were to follow the advice here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/277267-purity-pg-vg-peg-short-version.html ...we'd all be S.O.L because there is no "pharma grade" (in the sense of the word) to be bought anywhere...and if I read this right the only true pharma grade would be "synthetic glycerin" and it's price is equal to precious gems...

Maybe the sticky should be re-written to say "Vape at your own risk, we assume no responsibility for your confusion"
 
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Some of this makes me laugh (I'm easily entertained). I think if some people were as worried about the ingredients in their flavorings and ingredients in their foods as to whether the letters USP is only on line 1, is there a comma after it, does it also say food grade and or Kosher after or before USP, they would never vape or eat again. :lol:

Personally I buy USP and try it, if I don't like it, I'd buy another brand labeled USP and try that. I bought a gallon of USP PG and VG from Essential Depot for a grand total of slightly under $55 shipped and am very happy. :)

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I just placed this order also - great price, although I don't know where I'm going to store it....:p Usually I store large bottles of things like this outside or in the garage, but with the summer heat I'm guessing this isn't a good idea - anyone know?

Some of this makes me laugh (I'm easily entertained). I think if some people were as worried about the ingredients in their flavorings and ingredients in their foods as whether the USP is only on line 1, is there a comma after it, does it also say food grade and or Kosher after or before USP, they would never vape or eat again. :lol:

Personally I buy USP and try it, if I don't like it, I'd buy another USP and try that. I bought a gallon of USP PG and VG from Essential Depot for a grand total of slightly under $55 shipped and am very happy. :)

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Some of this makes me laugh (I'm easily entertained). I think if some people were as worried about the ingredients in their flavorings and ingredients in their foods as whether the USP is only on line 1, is there a comma after it, does it also say food grade and or Kosher after or before USP, they would never vape or eat again. :lol:

Personally I buy USP and try it, if I don't like it, I'd buy another USP and try that. I bought a gallon of USP PG and VG from Essential Depot for a grand total of slightly under $55 shipped and am very happy. :)

Cheers,
Steve

You laugh because you're a pro diy'er...I laugh at the conflicting information...the new diy'er is confused as hell and isn't laughing!
 

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I just placed this order also - great price, although I don't know where I'm going to store it....:p Usually I store large bottles of things like this outside or in the garage, but with the summer heat I'm guessing this isn't a good idea - anyone know?
Do you have a cool and dry basement? It's where I store mine. You could get by with a closet. (better than the summer heat)
 

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I just placed this order also - great price, although I don't know where I'm going to store it....:p Usually I store large bottles of things like this outside or in the garage, but with the summer heat I'm guessing this isn't a good idea - anyone know?

I asked the same question in a thread here
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/500464-storage-pg-vg.html
The general consensus was a dark, cool, dry place or in the freezer. Good luck and I know what you mean, I think mine will out last me. :lol:

Cheers,
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I just placed this order also - great price, although I don't know where I'm going to store it....:p Usually I store large bottles of things like this outside or in the garage, but with the summer heat I'm guessing this isn't a good idea - anyone know?
I just looked at the MSDS sheet on VG at Essential depot. It states to store between 50-89.6 degrees. Hope this helps. Indoors should work without any problems. Unless, your toughing it out without air conditioning and or no heat. :)
 

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I wrote to USP and asked them how I could to identify Glycerin USP from food grade by looking at the label. I e-mailed the question on 12-26-2013 and got the answer on 1-8-2014. This is the answer I got. Good luck...





The USP-NF has a section titled “General Notices” and this section presents the basic assumptions, definitions, and default conditions for the interpretation and application of the United States Pharmacopeia (USP) and the National Formulary (NF). Requirements stated in the General Notices apply to all articles recognized in the USP and NF (the “compendia”) and to all general chapters unless specifically stated otherwise. Where the requirements of an individual monograph differ from the General Notices or a general chapter, the monograph requirements apply and supersede the requirements of the General Notices or the general chapter, whether or not the monograph explicitly states the difference.

With this being stated, sections 2.30 and 3.20 of the UDP-NF General Notices states the following (bolded for ease of readability):

2.30. Legal Recognition

The USP and NF are recognized in the laws and regulations of many countries throughout the world. Regulatory authorities may enforce the standards presented in the USP and NF, but because recognition of the USP and NF may vary by country, users should understand applicable laws and regulations. In the United States under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FDCA), both USP and NF are recognized as official compendia. A drug with a name recognized in USP–NF must comply with compendial identity standards or be deemed adulterated, misbranded, or both. See, e.g., FDCA § 501(b) and 502(e)(3)(b); also FDA regulations, 21 CFR § 299.5(a&b). To avoid being deemed adulterated, such drugs must also comply with compendial standards for strength, quality, and purity, unless labeled to show all respects in which the drug differs. See, e.g., FDCA § 501(b) and 21 CFR § 299.5(c). In addition, to avoid being deemed misbranded, drugs recognized in USP–NF must also be packaged and labeled in compliance with compendial standards. See FDCA § 502(g).

A dietary supplement represented as conforming to specifications in USP will be deemed a misbranded food if it fails to so conform. See FDCA § 403(s)(2)(D).

Enforcement of USP standards is the responsibility of FDA and other government authorities in the U.S. and elsewhere. USP has no role in enforcement.


and

3.20. Indicating Conformance

A drug product, drug substance, or excipient may use the designation “USP” or “NF” in conjunction with its official title or elsewhere on the label only when (1) a monograph is provided in the specified compendium and (2) the article complies with the identity prescribed in the specified compendium.

When a drug product, drug substance, or excipient differs from the relevant USP or NF standard of strength, quality, or purity, as determined by the application of the tests, procedures, and acceptance criteria set forth in the relevant compendium, its difference shall be plainly stated on its label.

When a drug product, drug substance, or excipient fails to comply with the identity prescribed in USP or NF or contains an added substance that interferes with the prescribed tests and procedures, the article shall be designated by a name that is clearly distinguishing and differentiating from any name recognized in USP or NF.

A medical device, dietary supplement, or ingredient or component of a medical device or dietary supplement may use the designation “USP” or “NF” in conjunction with its official title or elsewhere on the label only when (1) a monograph is provided in the specified compendium and (2) the article complies with the monograph standards and other applicable standards in the compendium.

The designation “USP” or “NF” on the label may not and does not constitute an endorsement by USP and does not represent assurance by USP that the article is known to comply with the relevant standards. USP may seek legal redress if an article purports to be or is represented as an official article in one of USP's compendia and such claim is determined by USP not to be made in good faith.

The designation “USP–NF” may be used on the label of an article provided that the label also bears a statement such as “Meets NF standards as published by USP,” indicating the particular compendium to which the article purports to apply.

When the letters “USP,” “NF,” or “USP–NF” are used on the label of an article to indicate compliance with compendial standards, the letters shall appear in conjunction with the official title of the article. The letters are not to be enclosed in any symbol such as a circle, square, etc., and shall appear in capital letters.

If a dietary supplement does not comply with all applicable compendial requirements but contains one or more dietary ingredients or other ingredients that are recognized in USP or NF, the individual ingredient(s) may be designated as complying with USP or NF standards or being of USP or NF quality provided that the designation is limited to the individual ingredient(s) and does not suggest that the dietary supplement complies with USP standards.


Therefore, if you find glycerin labeled “USP Glycerin”, one could assume it has met the it the strength, quality, or purity, as determined by the application of the tests, procedures, and acceptance criteria set forth in the glycerin monograph and this has been deemed approved by the regulatory agency. Now, food grade glycerin should be labeled as FCC Glycerin and should meet the necessary requirements set forth in the FCC (Food Chemical Codex).


Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.


“This response has been provided for informational purposes only, and should not be construed as an official interpretation of USP text or relied on to demonstrate compliance with USP standards or requirements.”
 
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