Good batteries?

[Kittyntwinstarz]

When I bought my smok procolor kit the lady sold me two green Imern 18650 batteries. When looking for a backup pair several stores tried to sell me the Mjxo or Imern gold batteries saying they were the only batteries made by a vape company. I told him I heard the Sony, Samsung or LG was better and he said I was uneducated as those companies know nothing about vaping.

I ended up with another set of Imren but this time the gold. I used to be able to vape all day and now only half day. What are good long lasting batteries or what has been successful for you?

 

[ImThatGuy]

In @Mooch we believe...

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I myself use LG HG2 and Sony VTC6 because both are 3000mah and has history. Although, I barely use on average 14amps on my dual battery regulated mod, these batteries can do more than what I need it for. (0.3 ohm, 40watt-ish) YMMV, but they do last me more than a day.

 

[RainSong]

I order my batteries online from Liion Wholesale and check the Mooch list before I order.

 

[LyLyV]

I told him I heard the Sony, Samsung or LG was better and he said I was uneducated as those companies know nothing about vaping.

LOL. You don't have to know about vaping to make a decent battery, you just need to know about making good batteries. I love it when people try to insult you just to get you to buy what they happen to have on hand. e_e
I have 4 of the LG HG2s and one Samsung (forget which one). Obviously you are educated. There's a chart Mooch made - I'm sure someone will link to it. I don't know exactly where it is, but it's really helpful.

 

[Mooch]

When I bought my Smok procolor kit the lady sold me two green Imern 18650 batteries. When looking for a backup pair several stores tried to sell me the Mjxo or Imern gold batteries saying they were the only batteries made by a vape company. I told him I heard the Sony, Samsung or LG was better and he said I was uneducated as those companies know nothing about vaping.

I ended up with another set of Imren but this time the gold. I used to be able to vape all day and now only half day. What are good long lasting batteries or what has been successful for you?

MXJO and Imren don’t know a damn thing about vaping. They are battery rewrappers who grotesquely exaggerate their ratings. They are not battery manufacturers and they don’t vape.

 

[Fredman1]

he said I was uneducated as those companies know nothing about vaping.

Seems to me that salesman don't know much about batteries or vaping...

 

[sonicbomb]

Insulting, condescending, deceitful and misinformed, everything the discerning shopper expects from a sales assistant.
You were correct, he was wrong. I suggest you never use the shop again and tell the manager why.

I recommend you use two Samsung 30Q Sony VTC6 or LG HG2s which are very good 20 amp 300 mAh cells. Don't exceed 120 watts on your mod, as each of these is good for a safe usable 60 watts each.

 

[Kittyntwinstarz]

Thanks guys! How do I know if I need high power or high capacity? I vape all day but depending on tank from 50-80w.

 

[VapingJKT]

For me I like to use 2 batteries mod, so i dont have to really worry over power or capacity. Two batteries mod give me more safety margin, and range of batteries i can use.

Its not that every vape store sell high quality batteries. So if my option is limited, using two batteries with "exaggerated amp" is still okay. Given that the batteries are still cdc 20A, i can ignore the 40, 50 pulse amp.

Two 20A CDC batteries can comfortably support my needs (50-100 watt). Since each battery is suppose to be capable delivering 60ish watt.

 

[sonicbomb]

Power, then capacity.

@Kittyntwinstarz
First calculate what your amp requirements are based on your selected wattage. Then choose a battery that can safely supply this (CDR) that ideally has the highest capacity (mAh).
Ohms/Watts Law - Calculating safe amp usage | E-Cigarette Forum

The relationship between power and capacity is like a seesaw. The higher the amp limit is the lower the mAh value will be, that's just how battery chemistry works.
Understanding Battery Capability/Capacity | E-Cigarette Forum

Stay under 20 amps and you can use a 3000 mAh cell like the LG HG2, Samsung 30Q or the VTC6.

50 watts is ok for one 18650, 80 watts is going to need two or you will be changing batteries constantly.

@VapingJKT don't hijack other peoples posts and go off topic, start a new thread.

 

[VapingJKT]

@sonicbomb right, didnt realize it. Edited my post. thanks

 

[listopencil]

Thanks guys! How do I know if I need high power or high capacity? I vape all day but depending on tank from 50-80w.

Mooch is our battery god. Believe in the Mooch. Seriously, though, he puts out a ton of useful info about batteries for vaping. His chart (posted by sonicbomb above) is the best I've seen and he has started putting videos up on YouTube that really help people understand some of the basics.

 

[stols001]

I would be taking those batteries to the (condescending, high pressure sales) vape shop and demanding a refund. Don't vape them. The salesman gave you incorrect information in hopes of making a sale. I don't know that he was ill-informed, so much as not caring as long as he sold his batteries (cheap, possibly rewraps, not safe) just take them back and buy from a reputable battery supplier.

Don't vape them.

Anna

 

[Khannnnn]

This is why I love my shop. I could get my stuff cheaper online but I go to the same shop instead. They always hook me up with the exact same stuff they use. They never try to rip me off or sell me junk. I would find a new shop.

 

[Baditude]

Seems to me that salesman don't know much about batteries or vaping...

A lot of vape shop salespeople don't know much about batteries, or vaping, for that matter. Many are college age folks working their first real job at a minimum wage. Many are not educated or taught about batteries and they just sell what's in the store. They may tell you anything just to make a sale. Believe me, I used to work for a vape shop as an extension of my hobby and was often appalled by the ignorance. I was known as "the battery guy" at the shop by the sales staff and the patrons.

A lot of the B&M shops have a tough time getting good batteries like LG, Samsung, or Sony. Their sources require that they purchase those specific batteries by the thousand and since they know that they will never sell that many batteries they turn to the aftermarket battery suppliers like AWT, Efest, Imren, MXJO, et all ... who are more than happy to sell any quantity of batteries to anyone. The exaggerated ratings on the aftermarket batteries help these sales people make the sale; don't fall for it. Are You Using a Rewrap (Rebranded) Battery?

Most online vape stores turn over enough product to buy the larger quantities of LG, Samsung, and Sony batteries, but may charge a premium price and may not have the means to know if they are selling authentic or counterfeit batteries.

Best place to get AUTHENTIC LG, Samsung, or Sony batteries is to purchase them from trusted suppliers whose sales are primarily just batteries. These sites also have the means to know if their batteries are authentic or counterfeit (a few have used Mooch to test them) and will offer either a refund or replacement on the rare occassions should they sell a fake.

North America
www.liionwholesale.com
www.imrbatteries.com
www.illumn.com
www.rtdvapor.com
www.batterybro.com
www.orbtronic.com
UK
www.nkon.nl
Welcome to Ecolux. The UK's Battery and accessory specialists. Wide range of authentic leading brands in stock ready for immediate dispatch.
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Personally, I buy mostly from RTD Vapor. I've used Samsung 25R and Sony VTC4 in the past, but presently using Samsung 30Q and LG HG2.

 

[Kittyntwinstarz]

For me I like to use 2 batteries mod, so i dont have to really worry over power or capacity. Two batteries mod give me more safety margin, and range of batteries i can use.

Its not that every vape store sell high quality batteries. So if my option is limited, using two batteries with "exaggerated amp" is still okay. Given that the batteries are still cdc 20A, i can ignore the 40, 50 pulse amp.

Two 20A CDC batteries can comfortably support my needs (50-100 watt). Since each battery is suppose to be capable delivering 60ish watt.

Mine is 2 battery as well.

 

[Kittyntwinstarz]

Mooch is our battery god. Believe in the Mooch. Seriously, though, he puts out a ton of useful info about batteries for vaping. His chart (posted by sonicbomb above) is the best I've seen and he has started putting videos up on YouTube that really help people understand some of the basics.

Understand just wondering for my setup what his best. I only saw his battery testing and recommendation chart but is one better than the other etc.

 

[Baditude]

Understand just wondering for my setup what his best. I only saw his battery testing and recommendation chart but is one better than the other etc.

Choose by the wattage setting that you usually vape at. As long as you're using either an LG, Samsung, or Sony with the same specifications (amp rating and mah rating), you probably wouldn't notice a difference between the three manufacturers.*

WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY:

20W-45W:

Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15/20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15/20 amp CDR​

20W-60W:

LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR
LG 18650HE2 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR
AW 18650 3000 mah 20 amp CDR​

30W - 75W:

LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDR
LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR​

60W - 90W:

LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR​

If you use a good quality 15 amp CDR battery like the Samsung 30Q or Sony VTC6, then you are good up to 45 watts per battery; 90 watts using two; 135 watts for three batteries.

If you use a good quality 20 amp CDR battery like the LG HG2 or Samsung 25R then you are good for 60 watts per battery. If using a 2-battery regulated mod, your good for 120 watts as you have two batteries. If you are using a 3-battery mod, you're good for 180.

If you use a single 25 amp CDR battery like the Sony VTC5A, then you are good for 75 watts per battery, 150 watts for two batteries, and 225 watts with three.

If you use a single 30 amp CDR battery like the LG HB6 you are good up to 90 watts; with a pair of 30 amp CDR batteries you could safely do 180 watts assuming the mod cuts off when the batteries reach 3.4 volts.

* I only vape between 30 - 40 watts. The Samsung 30Q and LG HG2 work quite well for the way I vape.

 

[Kittyntwinstarz]

MXJO and Imren don’t know a damn thing about vaping. They are battery rewrappers who grotesquely exaggerate their ratings. They are not battery manufacturers and they don’t vape.

Have you tried busbars? My daughter was just sold those. I’m disappointed in myself for trusting these shmucks!

 

[Kittyntwinstarz]

Choose by the wattage setting that you usually vape at. As long as you're using either an LG, Samsung, or Sony with the same specifications (amp rating and mah rating), you probably wouldn't notice a difference between the three manufacturers.*

WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY:

20W-45W:

Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15/20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15/20 amp CDR​

20W-60W:

LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR
LG 18650HE2 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR
AW 18650 3000 mah 20 amp CDR​

30W - 75W:

LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDR
LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR​

60W - 90W:

LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR​

If you use a good quality 15 amp CDR battery like the Samsung 30Q or Sony VTC6, then you are good up to 45 watts per battery; 90 watts using two; 135 watts for three batteries.

If you use a good quality 20 amp CDR battery like the LG HG2 or Samsung 25R then you are good for 60 watts per battery. If using a 2-battery regulated mod, your good for 120 watts as you have two batteries. If you are using a 3-battery mod, you're good for 180.

If you use a single 25 amp CDR battery like the Sony VTC5A, then you are good for 75 watts per battery, 150 watts for two batteries, and 225 watts with three.

If you use a single 30 amp CDR battery like the LG HB6 you are good up to 90 watts; with a pair of 30 amp CDR batteries you could safely do 180 watts assuming the mod cuts off when the batteries reach 3.4 volts.

* I only vape between 30 - 40 watts. The Samsung 30Q and LG HG2 work quite well for the way I vape.

Not to sound stupid but if I go to a shop that has these, what are the odds they are just rewrapped and how would I know?