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[ShowMeTwice]

Gotcha!

I haven't been in a US vape store since sometime in 2015.

Local vape stores never carried a single product I was interested in.

 

[Skeebo]

If I could also add, most people on this forum use online vape stores, including me. We tend to buy DIY stuff and real mods and RDA/RTA. All the brick and mortar stores around me and probably most people on this forum don't carry those type of vaping products so we are forced to go online. I get my DIY juice from South Carolina and my hardware supplies from California. I do go into those stores because I am curious, but I buy very little there. Maybe some coils if I am desperate, batteries or a small bottle of juice. None of the stores carry stuff I care about really. IMO, and you didn't ask for or need my opinion, but that is the challenge you will really have.

You are absolutely correct, excluding copulation everything is online these days.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Which means positive change is coming.

What sources do you have to back your opinion up?

Links please.

All it will take is for some chemist to prove Vaping is less harmful than traditional smoking.

There have already been studies done that demonstrate that. Those only 'seem' to matter in the UK. That info is on ECF.

The biggest outlier I see causing resistance are your Tobacco makers as they will start losing money for every $1 spent on the vaping industry.

BT has just about put an end to vaping in the US and many other parts of the world. They will not allow that to be undone. They enjoy a Global Empire - one they will not cede.

IMO, you should know these things already. If you did I sincerely doubt you would even entertain the folly of opening a vape shop in 2022.

 

[Jwaterski]

You could move to Oklahoma and open a dispensary, I think there is still one corner left somewhere.

 

[MV22]

It isn't my place to force my opinions on you, and this is just is just my opinion, but I think CBD and disposables are what are keeping these shops open. I don't view that as really being a vape store, not like 5 years ago when vape stores sold real hardware like RDA/RTA, good coil devices and so on. 2 of the stores around me have been in business a long time, over 5 years, but what they carry has changed drastically. Personally, I can't tell where the industry is going, and I hope you didn't take any of my comments as implying that I did. Good luck.

Not at all. When seeking advice from others, I don't take anything personal. Obviously it's important to be open to differing perceptions.
Thanks

 

[MV22]

What sources do you have to back your opinion up?

Links please.

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There have already been studies done that demonstrate that. Those only 'seem' to matter in the UK. That info is on ECF.



BT has just about put an end to vaping in the US and many other parts of the world. They will not allow that to be undone. They enjoy a Global Empire - one they will not cede.

IMO, you should know these things already. If you did I sincerely doubt you would even entertain the folly of opening a vape shop in 2022.

What sources do you have to back your opinion up?

Links please.



There have already been studies done that demonstrate that. Those only 'seem' to matter in the UK. That info is on ECF.



BT has just about put an end to vaping in the US and many other parts of the world. They will not allow that to be undone. They enjoy a Global Empire - one they will not cede.

IMO, you should know these things already. If you did I sincerely doubt you would even entertain the folly of opening a vape shop in 2022.

Only inquiring from others to consider my options. Obviously, you (all) have more knowledge than I do in this industry.

 

[MV22]

You could move to Oklahoma and open a dispensary, I think there is still one corner left somewhere.

 

[zoiDman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but PMTA applies to people or entities seeking to launch their own new product(s) as opposed to someone seeking to open a new shop?

This is Not Correct.

A Premarket Tobacco Product Application (PMTA) applies to a Physical Product. Newly Deemed Covered Tobacco Products can Not be Legally Sold in the USA without a PMTA that has been Approved by the FDA. Or a PMTA that is under current Review by the FDA.

Premarket Tobacco Product Applications

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I have known 3 Vape B&M Shop owners. 2 are now Out of Business. The other is Hanging by a Thread trying to run out His lease. All Three will tell you the Same Thing. The Overwhelming Majority of Vape Shops can't break even on e-Cigarette/e-Liquid walk in sales alone. You just Aren't going to have enough people coming thru you door who are willing to pay a High enough mark-up to make it.

You have to have supplemental On-Line Sales. Usually thru Multiple LLC Streams. And that is where a Huge Problem Lies. How are you going to Ship your Product?

US Vape Mail Ban - USPS/FedEx/UPS/DHL

Do yourself a Favor. Consider the time for doing an Nicotine e-Cigarette Start-Up as come and Gone. And look for other Ventures to put your Money into.

 

[MV22]

This is Not Correct.

A Premarket Tobacco Product Application (PMTA) applies to a Physical Product. Newly Deemed Covered Tobacco Products can Not be Legally Sold in the USA without a PMTA that has been Approved by the FDA. Or a PMTA that is under current Review by the FDA.

Premarket Tobacco Product Applications

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I have known 3 Vape B&M Shop owners. 2 are now Out of Business. The other is Hanging by a Thread trying to run out His lease. All Three will tell you the Same Thing. The Overwhelming Majority of Vape Shops can't break even on e-Cigarette/e-Liquid walk in sales alone. You just Aren't going to have enough people coming thru you door who are willing to pay a High enough mark-up to make it.

You have to have supplemental On-Line Sales. Usually thru Multiple LLC Streams. And that is where a Huge Problem Lies. How are you going to Ship your Product?

US Vape Mail Ban - USPS/FedEx/UPS/DHL

Do yourself a Favor. Consider the time for doing an Nicotine e-Cigarette Start-Up as come and Gone. And look for other Ventures to put your Money into.

Thanks for the feedback. Greatly appreciated.

 

[r77r7r]

Thanks for the feedback. Greatly appreciated.

fwiw, most of the newer vapers on my fb groups use local stores,as do I now that shipping from online is near equivalent.

 

[MV22]

fwiw, most of the newer vapers on my fb groups use local stores,as do I now that shipping from online is near equivalent.

Thanks for the feedback r77r7r.
Almost confused your handle with Rx7 lol

 

[Bliss Doubt]

Vape shops in the town where you're considering opening one are probably not going to want to talk to you, as potential competition. Go down the road 50-100 miles and talk to vape shop owners there. Find out what it's really like, and how those operators feel about the future.

I get the sense that the pmta process has overwhelmed even the greedy bureaucracy, having been ignorant of how many options there are, which is why disposables with few options are probably, IMO, the future of vaping.

There are YouTube channels that teach how to do your own feasibility study.

Here is the FDA proclaiming "this is our watch", about retailers of vaping products. You may want to take a look:

This is Our Watch

I can agree with those who have suggested you call it a vape shop, but offer other things there too, like soap, candles, incense, baking flavors, baskets, gifts, party supplies. There are wholesalers that offer all sorts of interesting novelty and party items, to back you up in case of the vapocalypse.

It really does seem to me to be an iffy thing to try right now, but there are vape shops open all over the country, some with an online presence too.

I wish you the best of luck, whatever you decide.

 

[rosesense]

Another vape shop is closing after being in biz for 8 years. This is from Vape Super Saver:

"As many of you know all too well, the vape industry is in a constant state of legal flux. After spending almost a year trying to contend with all the rapid changes affecting all of us in the vape world, we've sadly had to make the tough decision to close Vape Super Saver. From the bottom of our hearts, we want to thank you for an incredible 8 years! "

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Another vape shop is closing after being in biz for 8 years. This is from Vape Super Saver:

"As many of you know all too well, the vape industry is in a constant state of legal flux. After spending almost a year trying to contend with all the rapid changes affecting all of us in the vape world, we've sadly had to make the tough decision to close Vape Super Saver. From the bottom of our hearts, we want to thank you for an incredible 8 years! "

That's strange because VSS is the same company that owns vapecentric, and vapesupersaver.com now just redirects to vapecentric.com. So now the question is, is vapecentric closing down?

See address at bottom pf sites:

Vapecentric | Mods, Tanks, Coils, Attys, RDAs, RTA, Clearomizers, Atomizers, E-Cigs, Mechs, eLiquids

Vape Super Saver: Archived

30101 Agoura Ct. #233
Agoura Hills, CA 91301

 

[Max Power]

That's strange because VSS is the same company that owns vapecentric, and vapesupersaver.com now just redirects to vapecentric.com. So now the question is, is vapecentric closing down?

See address at bottom pf sites:

Vapecentric | Mods, Tanks, Coils, Attys, RDAs, RTA, Clearomizers, Atomizers, E-Cigs, Mechs, eLiquids

Vape Super Saver: Archived

30101 Agoura Ct. #233
Agoura Hills, CA 91301

VSS is in my neck of the woods and it was supposed to close down years ago. I really don't know what happened, but I suspect vapecentric.com will stay active, I don't see any recent FDA warning letters, last one was 4/2020. It could be that the paperwork was just too much to keep 2 business active, and consolidating would cut the paperwork by half. The PACT act requires online business to register with the ATFE as well with every state they ship to, and then pay taxes monthly. Probably makes sense to just consolidate. That is my guess anyway.

 

[Coyote628]

Hence, the many store openings.
Which means positive change is coming.

All it will take is for some chemist to prove Vaping is less harmful than traditional smoking. The biggest outlier I see causing resistance are your Tobacco makers as they will start losing money for every $1 spent on the vaping industry.

THAT is exactly what happened and vaping surely hit big tobacco hard enough to get their attention. They pay BIG money to the government to keep their products on the very market they have cornered. Nevermind the fact tobacco kills.

 

[MV22]

THAT is exactly what happened and vaping surely hit big tobacco hard enough to get their attention. They pay BIG money to the government to keep their products on the very market they have cornered. Nevermind the fact tobacco kills.

IMO...BT will eventually redirect its market industry to e-vape production (including e-liquids) completely to fit the TRP concept