Yet another reason this legislation is bad. Is caffeine regulated as a clean recreational drug? It's certainly marketed that way, and there's plenty of science showing that it's just as dangerous to the health as nicotine.
H.R. 1256 Passes Congress...Here we go!
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Yet another reason this legislation is bad. Is caffeine regulated as a clean recreational drug? It's certainly marketed that way, and there's plenty of science showing that it's just as dangerous to the health as nicotine.
The FDA is such a joke... It has knowingly approved dangerous and fatal medicines, blocked Vitamin/Supplement companies from providing naturally occurring supplements because pharmaceutical companies got patents on the naturally occurring vitamins/supplements... Today is a very bad day in history!
Hey, we should find a way to vape congressional manure ..
I'd rather just back up a dumptruck and toss a few tons on the 79 that voted "aye"
No, what we need is a way to get our fix that does not involve the federal government, the state government, Big Tobacco, the FDA, Big Pharma, nor the rabid antis. I am growing my own tobacco to make snus and will be putting the seedlings in the ground within 10 days. It will only take 7 plants to provide my needs for one year. Come September, all of those mentioned in the first sentence above can kiss my snus-sucking, tobacco using, nicotine addicted, non-tobacco-tax-paying lily white behind.
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I cant help but think that another possibility, albeit a slim one, is the dietary supplement approach.
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try this one...
Establshment Registration & Device Listing
it is not fda aproval but shoot i forgot if follow the company name though you will find that this company has had a few custom problems...
try this one...
Establshment Registration & Device Listing
it is not fda aproval but shoot i forgot if follow the company name though you will find that this company has had a few custom problems...
The bill is just so wrong in so many ways, and not just for e-cigs:
- The people who continue to smoke will do so now with a false sense of security believing that cigarettes are now FDA approved and "safer"
- The FDA now has the authority of reducing nicotine levels in cigarettes and eliminating certain chemicals. Doing so will cause the smoker to inhale longer and deeper for compensation, which will actually increase the chances of cancer or emphasema due to smoking, not decrease it
- New smokers will start because they think todays cigarettes are safer.
- It will not stop youths from smoking
- It had the full blessings of Philip Morris, who suckered the Tobacco Free Kids group right into their master plan. While not known at this time, Philip Morris has an agenda other than to reduce the customers who smoke. The FDA may even give Phillip Morris more leniancy regarding the rules as a special "thank you", thus cementing their position as the "cigarette king" because more people flock to the Philip Morris brands to deliver more "satisfaction".
Do you honestly believe for one nanosecond that the largest tobacco company WANTS you to stop smoking and sponsor a bill like this unless they have other plans? I saw the news article on CBS News about this bill passing, and there was a side story about "The big winner of the bill, Philip Morris?" Click the link and the article was removed.
Looks like the Gobernment and PM do not want the public to know this little factoid. Screw 'em. I'm still buying my stuff to vape, and it's going to take something a lot larger than a brain dead government agency, who was fed a bulls*it bill by an equally brain dead Senator, will stop me.
- The people who continue to smoke will do so now with a false sense of security believing that cigarettes are now FDA approved and "safer"
- The FDA now has the authority of reducing nicotine levels in cigarettes and eliminating certain chemicals. Doing so will cause the smoker to inhale longer and deeper for compensation, which will actually increase the chances of cancer or emphasema due to smoking, not decrease it
- New smokers will start because they think todays cigarettes are safer.
- It will not stop youths from smoking
- It had the full blessings of Philip Morris, who suckered the Tobacco Free Kids group right into their master plan. While not known at this time, Philip Morris has an agenda other than to reduce the customers who smoke. The FDA may even give Phillip Morris more leniancy regarding the rules as a special "thank you", thus cementing their position as the "cigarette king" because more people flock to the Philip Morris brands to deliver more "satisfaction".
Do you honestly believe for one nanosecond that the largest tobacco company WANTS you to stop smoking and sponsor a bill like this unless they have other plans? I saw the news article on CBS News about this bill passing, and there was a side story about "The big winner of the bill, Philip Morris?" Click the link and the article was removed.
Looks like the Gobernment and PM do not want the public to know this little factoid. Screw 'em. I'm still buying my stuff to vape, and it's going to take something a lot larger than a brain dead government agency, who was fed a bulls*it bill by an equally brain dead Senator, will stop me.
Well this is basically the same as saying they all stores to sell " slow killing suicide pills" for people over 18,
Yet the FDA who would control say the capsules for them allows it..
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!.. a Association MADE to protect the Health and LIVES of the USA have control of a product that is included in a cancer KILLING device.. Isnt this like saying you shot my son, so i am going to sue the gun manufacter. Doesnt this now present the ability to the sue the FDA if and when people die and get cancer from smoking real cigarettes since they now control tobacco products or some part of it??
Yet the FDA who would control say the capsules for them allows it..
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!.. a Association MADE to protect the Health and LIVES of the USA have control of a product that is included in a cancer KILLING device.. Isnt this like saying you shot my son, so i am going to sue the gun manufacter. Doesnt this now present the ability to the sue the FDA if and when people die and get cancer from smoking real cigarettes since they now control tobacco products or some part of it??
Hit the nail right on the head Jim. this is how PM wins...less nicotine per cigarette equals more cigarettes needed to get the same "hit". Exactly the same strategy used when "light" and "low tar" cigarettes were introduced.
Reminds me of the coke dealers who cut their supply more and more as their "clients" get addicted. Sheesh!
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SCREW the FDA anyway they are just a bunch of over paid ...... that some magical way have the right to say what we can and can not eat, drink, smoke, have in our household.. where is the freedom in the USA ???
Perhaps, that is the long term idea, Rockbassray...Consider, the bill prohibited the outlawing of cigarettes....Now, a law suit gets filed and could they possibly then have deliberately been put in a position to completely ban tobacco and all other nicotine products ....
Watch carefully for the release of this product in July.
Mr. Alfons Ravelli, is very interested in positioning Smokefree Innotec’s tobacco innovation, the world’s first totally smoke-free, electronic cigarette and has offered Smokefree Innotec office and warehouse space as well as logistic support in the start-up phase. Diederik van Duyn, a member of Smokefree Innotec’s advisory board commented: “We are very excited about VCT joining our team. I have known Mr. Ravelli for many years and his cutting-edge companies are always launching innovative products, like kretek-cigarettes, cigarettes for the ladies market, water-pipe tobacco and now our first smoke-free, tobacco-based, electronic cigarette
www.rauchless.com
Again, no one knows if there is a BT connection, but my guess is the timing and the product could not be more fascinating.
Mr. Alfons Ravelli, is very interested in positioning Smokefree Innotec’s tobacco innovation, the world’s first totally smoke-free, electronic cigarette and has offered Smokefree Innotec office and warehouse space as well as logistic support in the start-up phase. Diederik van Duyn, a member of Smokefree Innotec’s advisory board commented: “We are very excited about VCT joining our team. I have known Mr. Ravelli for many years and his cutting-edge companies are always launching innovative products, like kretek-cigarettes, cigarettes for the ladies market, water-pipe tobacco and now our first smoke-free, tobacco-based, electronic cigarette
www.rauchless.com
Again, no one knows if there is a BT connection, but my guess is the timing and the product could not be more fascinating.
it is the pure principle here that some Joe can say what I can and CAN NOT have.. or anyone else in the USA. we are based on freedom and rights.. and this is another example how that is FALSE!. People know right from wrong, healthy from sick, .. the FDA doesnt do there job anyway.. countless times they F up why should they have the condition to know have another hand in the melting pot of freedom
And it's a win for the govt. Sales were starting to drop some because of the new taxes. Now they'll sell twice as much (between the teens that think it's now safe and the smokers that have to smoke more to get their fix) and rake in huge amounts of tax dollars.Hit the nail right on the head Jim. this is how PM wins...less nicotine per cigarette equals more cigarettes needed to get the same "hit". Exactly the same strategy used when "light" and "low tar" cigarettes were introduced.
Reminds me of the coke dealers who cut their supply more and more as their "clients" get addicted. Sheesh!
Not to mention the increase in death rates, which will save them money in both health care and social security.
Perhaps, that is the long term idea, Rockbassray...Consider, the bill prohibited the outlawing of cigarettes....Now, a law suit gets filed and could they possibly then have deliberately been put in a position to completely ban tobacco and all other nicotine products ....
All other nicotine products except the sterile, safe, ineffective NRT's of big Pharma - of course.
Yep, which will become Philip Morris's only product and BP's only approved NRT. (They are all in bed together)
Edited to clarify, if you're jumping around as you skim the thread: Rockbassray posed a question about lawsuits hitting the FDA for sick/dead cigarette smokers. I countered with, in essence, that could be the plan, opening the door to tobacco banning. Vicks, added the above concept and I added this post.
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