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H1N1 (Swine Flu) and e-cigs?
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just updated on yahoo news
Swine flu epidemic enters dangerous new phase
the situation is not looking good......
New York is getting hit
The suspected number of deaths rose to 149 in Mexico, the epicenter of the outbreak with nearly 2,000 people believed to be infected
Swine flu epidemic enters dangerous new phase
the situation is not looking good......
New York is getting hit
The suspected number of deaths rose to 149 in Mexico, the epicenter of the outbreak with nearly 2,000 people believed to be infected
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I'm going to keep watching to see if swine flu caused deaths are reported in the US. Note that every death statistic linking swine flu says "suspected" and not "confirmed". We could also 'suspect' that these people died due to negligent medical care or staph infections until proven otherwise, right? WHO and CDC are doing what they are supposed to be doing with quarantine, testing, information, etc - but perhaps we should all just take a deep breath about the whole thing for a second.
I don't know about everyone else, but the lack of confirmation on cause of death, the fact that all deaths are in Mexico (thusfar), and that I do not personally follow the normal death rates/causes in Mexico make it somewhat hypothetical to me at this point.
Some of these questions and sensationalist media wording makes me wonder if there's something else occuring that the mainstream would like to overshadow. I know, I know, insert your fav. conspiracy theory, yada yada.. There's my nickel on it.
I don't know about everyone else, but the lack of confirmation on cause of death, the fact that all deaths are in Mexico (thusfar), and that I do not personally follow the normal death rates/causes in Mexico make it somewhat hypothetical to me at this point.
Some of these questions and sensationalist media wording makes me wonder if there's something else occuring that the mainstream would like to overshadow. I know, I know, insert your fav. conspiracy theory, yada yada.. There's my nickel on it.
Ok - my bad people - found a statement here indicating confirmed deaths:
"Mexico Health Secretary Jose Angel Cordova said only 20 of the 194 suspected deaths have been confirmed to be from swine flu and the government was awaiting tests results on the rest"
full article here: FOXNews.com - Swine Flu Fears Close Numerous Schools in Several States - Infectious Disease
There goes that bit of sunshine! Now I guess I'll just load up my 901 and duck and cover or something..8-o
"Mexico Health Secretary Jose Angel Cordova said only 20 of the 194 suspected deaths have been confirmed to be from swine flu and the government was awaiting tests results on the rest"
full article here: FOXNews.com - Swine Flu Fears Close Numerous Schools in Several States - Infectious Disease
There goes that bit of sunshine! Now I guess I'll just load up my 901 and duck and cover or something..8-o
The Time magazine Air Germicide article was published way back in 1942.
to find the article online, google search
"time magazine air germicide"
Click on the #1 result at the top of the page.
to find the article online, google search
"time magazine air germicide"
Click on the #1 result at the top of the page.
MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. The findings were never refuted, in fact they were replicated in children and adult humans in later tests. A finding is a finding is a finding unless the science is flawed. That was good research and the results are valid. Go read "germ-killing vapor" for links to both the Time article and the research papers.
Here is the problem with the Time article-
in the 68 years that has elapsed since that article was written there has not been any peer review analysis & journal publicatiion regarding either the hospital in Chicago or the Puerto Rican monkeys.
His work appers to lack scientific credibility
& yet does perhaps have some anecdotal evidence value.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that PG kills bacteria because I find evidence all over the web.
I assume everyone here in this community understands that bacteria & viruses are not the same thing & the terms germ & germicidal refer to bacterial pathogens.
Yes! I hope it's true that PG kills viruses, just have not seen the evidence,
& yes I have read the links in the germ-killing thread.
I have some issues with Dr. Laugesen's report as well- more on that later-
still reading his references.
in the 68 years that has elapsed since that article was written there has not been any peer review analysis & journal publicatiion regarding either the hospital in Chicago or the Puerto Rican monkeys.
His work appers to lack scientific credibility
& yet does perhaps have some anecdotal evidence value.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that PG kills bacteria because I find evidence all over the web.
I assume everyone here in this community understands that bacteria & viruses are not the same thing & the terms germ & germicidal refer to bacterial pathogens.
Yes! I hope it's true that PG kills viruses, just have not seen the evidence,
& yes I have read the links in the germ-killing thread.
I have some issues with Dr. Laugesen's report as well- more on that later-
still reading his references.
I'm just too weary of this all to post you link by link proof. Unbelievable. Hell with it. Go read Laugesen's report and throw it away if you like .....
Doc G, your beginning to remind me of my ex-doctor, just before he almost let me die. Research was either too old, too new or did not reflect the real world.
There have been more recent studies using monkeys and I think children and it kills virses, but those may be to new for you. When I remember where they are I will post them.
TBob I am out of here too, you are so right.
There have been more recent studies using monkeys and I think children and it kills virses, but those may be to new for you. When I remember where they are I will post them.
TBob I am out of here too, you are so right.
Honestly if I seem hostile, it's because I have a forum personality
Clever.
Well it's been medically confirmed that I definitely have strep (via throat culture) and "likely the flu". The doctor seemed to think my high fever for such a long period of time along with cough supported the flu diagnoses. I suppose I could upload a copy of my discharge if needed.
After asking me a couple questions to presumably rule out swine, she seemed confident it was a regular flu infection. The doc didn't seem to think a nose swab was necessary (I asked).
Dr's orders were to take full course of Penicillin for the strep and if by the end of meds my flu symptoms were not better, (or worsened) to come back, or head to emergency.
Day 5 and still hackin, pretty weak/tired but fever is less frequent and much lower than it was..
Glad I went though, a family wide strep infection would not be pretty.
I suppose either I caught them BOTH by indirect contact transmission (certainly possible) or I maybe could not vape on time for an airborne transmission to have been killed. A recent museum trip with the family fits the timeline perfectly for airborne transmission (incubation time included). I believe I stepped into the bathroom and walked outside once each during the course of the visit to sneak a vape.
I certainly wasn't going to walk around a museum billowing "smoke" lol.
Some research probably needs to be done. We need to figure out how long one would have between possible inhalation of the virus, and vaping PG to kill the virus before it had a chance to make it's way into the bloodstream. I think that's really a necessary step before a link between Flu/Strep protection and Vaping can really be made.
It sounds like you are on the road to recovery Demiurge--glad to hear that & thanks for sharing your diagnosis info--were any cultures taken or other lab work done?
Since you are saying that you started vaping before the onset of symptoms and
your doc has ruled out the current swine flu-
then it cannot be ruled out that the vaping you did
may have cleared out the swine flu that you had.
Impossible to either prove or rule out.
Since you are saying that you started vaping before the onset of symptoms and
your doc has ruled out the current swine flu-
then it cannot be ruled out that the vaping you did
may have cleared out the swine flu that you had.
Impossible to either prove or rule out.
I have yet to find a study where pg vapor was shown to clear out swine flu or H1N1virus, which is the topic of this thread.
There are multiple types & strains of viruses &
since there are a multitude of different virus vaccines,
I think we can safely assume that what clears out one virus
may not clear out another.
There are multiple types & strains of viruses &
since there are a multitude of different virus vaccines,
I think we can safely assume that what clears out one virus
may not clear out another.
Hi Demiurge, and thanks for your input into this discussion. I also do not understand why you were responded to with such blatant hostility. While I can read the reports on PG vapor saving some mice from the flu, I don't understand how that makes anyone that vapes instantly immune to the flu.
Even if it PG vapor does kill ALL forms of the flu virus, unless I live in a box with constant PG vapor swirling around me, I'm still not immune. I vape pretty heavily, but hell, I'm not foolish enough to think that makes me completely immune. Until there's a study that says "PERSONAL VAPORIZERS CONTAINING PG WILL 100% OF THE TIME KILL ALL FLU VIRUS VARIANTS AND RENDER THE USER IMMUNE TO THE FLU NO MATTER HOW MUCH OR HOW LITTLE HE/SHE VAPES," I will not put every ounce of faith I have into this so called flu killer.
Who are any of us to say that Demiurge did or did not have the flu? I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt in this case, but either way, I appreciate his input to this discussion.
I want to believe as bad as the next guy, but I'm not going to ignore common sense in the process.
Even if it PG vapor does kill ALL forms of the flu virus, unless I live in a box with constant PG vapor swirling around me, I'm still not immune. I vape pretty heavily, but hell, I'm not foolish enough to think that makes me completely immune. Until there's a study that says "PERSONAL VAPORIZERS CONTAINING PG WILL 100% OF THE TIME KILL ALL FLU VIRUS VARIANTS AND RENDER THE USER IMMUNE TO THE FLU NO MATTER HOW MUCH OR HOW LITTLE HE/SHE VAPES," I will not put every ounce of faith I have into this so called flu killer.
Who are any of us to say that Demiurge did or did not have the flu? I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt in this case, but either way, I appreciate his input to this discussion.
I want to believe as bad as the next guy, but I'm not going to ignore common sense in the process.
It kinda freaks me out now that it has been confirmed in Seattle. For the next few weeks you probably wont see me without a pv in my mouth. I work at a hotel too, and I've already checked in a few people last week from Mexico. I feel a little silly like Im making a bigger deal out of it than I need to, but even if it wont kill me I REALLY dont want to get sick. I had converted a few smokers at my work place to pv's and let them know about the testing done on pg. They were shocked about the results and said that they are gonna be glued to them too until this flu goes away.
Whats actually really starting to make me wonder about this whole thing, is even if PG vapor can kill flu virus on contact, what about the whole process of putting the thing in your mouth? I walk around work, answer phones, open doors, etc, then reach in my pocket, grab my 901 and put it in my mouth. I basically put everything that I've touched in the last 5 minutes directly into my mouth (I try, but you cant completely avoid touching the mouthpiece, especially when you've gotta top off, etc.).
I'm not paranoid enough yet to start pouring on the Purell every few minutes before I reach in my pocket, but it does have me wondering, you know?
I'm not paranoid enough yet to start pouring on the Purell every few minutes before I reach in my pocket, but it does have me wondering, you know?
Hi everyone, I'm wondering how much of a room would someone vaping cover and still effectively kill germs. Also I just have a short story to share. Easter we went to my inlaws house, father-in-law was activly sick, mother-in-law was displaying sick symptoms(she thought allergies). I let my mother-in-law try out my ecig a few times(she is a long time heavy smoker). Two days later my mother-in-law calls and tells me they all have pneumonia, and she was calling me because their dr. said it was a very contagious strain. No I did not end up with it and I prob shouldve' I mean she vaped right on the mouth piece I was using. I have to say I do believe this stuff kills germs and if someone gets sick with something that its normally suppose to kill would be really rare I suppose, or maybe they are using vg instead of the pg.
Housewife, no research claims were made for protection from contact with a contagion. The protection is for inhaled, airborne germs. It's valid, but not 100%, as you note. You can read the summary in Dr. Murray Laugesen's October report on e-smoking at Health New Zealand.
You are quite correct that if you contact swine flu on a surface object and put your fingers to your mouth, you can become infected and PG will not help. If a flu sufferer, however, sneezes or coughs into the air near you, you do have some degree of protection by regularly inhaling PG vapor (and only vapor). Those results were consistent and the photos of the results are included in the research paper.
Bottom line: Wash or disinfect your hands regularly before bringing them to your mouth; vape at least every half hour.
You are quite correct that if you contact swine flu on a surface object and put your fingers to your mouth, you can become infected and PG will not help. If a flu sufferer, however, sneezes or coughs into the air near you, you do have some degree of protection by regularly inhaling PG vapor (and only vapor). Those results were consistent and the photos of the results are included in the research paper.
Bottom line: Wash or disinfect your hands regularly before bringing them to your mouth; vape at least every half hour.
Hi Bob, I'm trying to find ALL the links to the reports and research on the germ killing propeties of PG but this forum is now so big that I'm afraid to let out some important links, so would you PLEASE post the links to the reports? (The 40's report, and the research on kids and monkeys and in general every piece of info in the subject)
I want to send this info to as many health workers and media networks as I can, now is the time to get some interest on a research on this subject here in Mexico, maybe someone, somewhere will be interested on doing some more research about this subject.
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