While that's true, and empathy should always be observed, too many of his answers either use qualifiers, are contradictory and intentially avoid direct responses and redirect which is usually a symptom of something else entirely....I'm out.
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While that's true, and empathy should always be observed, too many of his answers either use qualifiers, are contradictory and intentially avoid direct responses and redirect which is usually a symptom of something else entirely....I'm out.
And I, because I have a quite similar perspective. I'm sorry that this poster is dealing with health issues. I'm also quite suspicious of the civil action $$ that are apparent in the comments that have been made.
Maybe seek out the profound Dr. Cecile Rose, I suppose she was the only specialist to know about it in 2003 ? and now 13 years later maybe fewer know about it ?
Myself I hate all these studies because myself I know some governments and big name tobacco companies are pouring tons of money into getting these kind of blind eye research things to be done. Why do I say this? Well most of our governments have taxation on the selling and distribution of tobacco products. They are losing millions of dollars in due to many of us switching to vaping in general. Really you all should be asking yourselves well why are our governments and legislatures wanting vaping to fall under the tobacco laws.
*Scratches head* Lets see here so they can tax the crap out of us within the vaping community. I also seen a video of a guy that was doing some research himself on youtube on basically with what He could do. After He stated that it said in this form that He was reading out that they some how cooked E Liquid at 400 degrees C and they found that all these toxins that were oh so bad for us I literally was in tears laughing so hard. Like does anyone know what 400 degrees C is in Fahrenheit? That is 752 degrees Fahrenheit.
Like honestly does anyone here know what that would do to your insides if you COULD vape that? Most all of these studies I read about hear about are all so stupid. Oh by the way Lead will melt at 400 Degrees C so you figure it out. The only good scientific thing I have seen so far that I really like is this:
*Scratches head* Lets see here so they can tax the crap out of us within the vaping community. I also seen a video of a guy that was doing some research himself on youtube on basically with what He could do. After He stated that it said in this form that He was reading out that they some how cooked E Liquid at 400 degrees C and they found that all these toxins that were oh so bad for us I literally was in tears laughing so hard. Like does anyone know what 400 degrees C is in Fahrenheit? That is 752 degrees Fahrenheit.
Like honestly does anyone here know what that would do to your insides if you COULD vape that? Most all of these studies I read about hear about are all so stupid. Oh by the way Lead will melt at 400 Degrees C so you figure it out. The only good scientific thing I have seen so far that I really like is this:
definite op hijack rant going on or .............. law suite in progress ?
Out of all the studies the good student / faculty at Harvard could perform why do you suppose they would choose a non conclusive / fact based ejuice study ?
Given how educational institutions are financed and sponsored these days, this Old Cynic cannot help but wonder where the finance for this is coming from...and we do know Big Tobacco ( who have a lot of holding companies/brands, not necessarily tobacco related, in their stable) and Big Pharma have a lot to gain by killing Vaping.
The "Popcorn Lung" tale went down big style in Spain last year - three years ago we had a vape shop on every corner - now you have to hunt to find one.
The "Popcorn Lung" tale went down big style in Spain last year - three years ago we had a vape shop on every corner - now you have to hunt to find one.
this study was funded by the National Institutes of Health (as disclosed on the first page of the study...This research was supported by NIH/NIEHS Center Grant P30ES000002)
who is in partnership with the FDA (so really funded by the FDA)
and this Advanced Publication was published by Environmental Health Perspectives (a peer-reviewed journal of research and news published with support from the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, National Institutes of Health)
study..
FDA conducts $275 million e-cigarette research. Vapes in boom but what are the risks?
Grants: Research Portfolio ‒ FDA NIH Tobacco Product Regulation | NIH Office of Disease Prevention (ODP)
FDA-NIH Research Portfolio
This list contains grants and contracts carried over from prior fiscal years and new projects awarded in the current fiscal year for Special Research Priority on U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Tobacco Product Regulation.
Grants: Research Portfolio ‒ FDA NIH Tobacco Product Regulation | NIH Office of Disease Prevention (ODP)
FDA-NIH Research Portfolio
This list contains grants and contracts carried over from prior fiscal years and new projects awarded in the current fiscal year for Special Research Priority on U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Tobacco Product Regulation.
Not at all true.
Asbestiosis victims, some were smokers, didn't matter. All that needed to be shown was "exposure" to asbestos.
Just sayin'
which brings me to:
Understood. But we put men on the moon.
Where are the numbers that AREN'T completely unrelated and useless? (Or is the point NOT TO HAVE ANY?)
Are you saying that since 2009, with the billions this industry is generating in $$, that numbers for DAP inhalation by vapers can't be ascertained?
Where are the studies showing exactly how DAP inhalation DOES affect vapers, in 2015, with the hardware and ejuice available today? Dr. F. said reduced FEV-1 on testing, that is a measurable reading......that does imply some lung function damage. I want to know more.
Because this is like that ping pong game before graphic user interfaces on PCs......back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
It just seems to me, in light of the concern the vaping industry has for it's livelihood ---that this isn't being put front and center. (wait, NJOY is sponsoring world wide poker games, Cutwood is sponsoring race cars)
but there is no $$ for studies and testing.
Meanwhile:
Surveys aren't studies.
Vapers' opinions on forums aren't studies.
Laypersons trying to interpret data from the food industry and applying it to vaping aren't studies.
Studies with 10 people in them......aren't real studies either.
Public relations for the vaping campaigns or public relations for the anti smoking campaigns or advertising copy on websites aren't studies.
Let's get the show on the road.
how about it
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I actually am so against with what the FDA says as well as what they do anyways. Yes a very small tiny portion of what they have done has been right on cue but allot of the crap they pump out now is just that crap. I remember the FDA coming into one of our malls and closing down a candy making shop where they were making fresh fudge candy corn candy apples diabetic chocolates stuff like that.
The FDA findings of closing that small local candy making shop was that the vapours used in some of the candy making processes COULD potentially be dangerous to the general publics well being. They did not have to have any proof at all and just because they said that the shop had to close down.
They would not show any proof to the public of there findings and me as a kid I loved watching them make real caramel and fudge in there big copper colored wock.
Why did I bring this up well VG can be used in some candy making processes.
The FDA findings of closing that small local candy making shop was that the vapours used in some of the candy making processes COULD potentially be dangerous to the general publics well being. They did not have to have any proof at all and just because they said that the shop had to close down.
They would not show any proof to the public of there findings and me as a kid I loved watching them make real caramel and fudge in there big copper colored wock.
Why did I bring this up well VG can be used in some candy making processes.
Originally, flavours weren't made to be inhaled.
There is incidential inhaltation of course. How else would be able to tell ?
Tongue can only differentiate a very few basic flavours. Rest is done by the receptors in the nasal passage.
And it gets there by inhalation. Simple.
Everyone knows that food tastes bland when one's nose is clogged up by a cold.
Difference is that vapers often use flavours in dosages way higher than food processors.
So, whenever I fire up my mod, I am my very own lab rat to some extent.
But I don't buy into this black-or-white ANTZ thingie at all.
Vaping is definitely LESS harmful than smoking.
Vaping is definetely MORE harmful than not vaping.
But there are no absolutes. Check the latest air pollution media coverage from Beijing. Just breathing is very unhealthy business over there.
And breathing is an essential activity - trust my word on that
People die in car accidents by the thousands every year. Did cars get banned?
Nope.
But safety features got added to reduce - not eliminate - the risks of driving one. Seat belts, ABS, airbags, etc. etc.
So vaping ... is like smoking buckled up.
Does protect you in most - but not all cases. Sorry it didn't keep you from harm personally.
Yet nobody walks around and wants seat belts removed from all cars because they work 'only' 99% of the time...
There is incidential inhaltation of course. How else would be able to tell ?
Tongue can only differentiate a very few basic flavours. Rest is done by the receptors in the nasal passage.
And it gets there by inhalation. Simple.
Everyone knows that food tastes bland when one's nose is clogged up by a cold.
Difference is that vapers often use flavours in dosages way higher than food processors.
So, whenever I fire up my mod, I am my very own lab rat to some extent.
But I don't buy into this black-or-white ANTZ thingie at all.
Vaping is definitely LESS harmful than smoking.
Vaping is definetely MORE harmful than not vaping.
But there are no absolutes. Check the latest air pollution media coverage from Beijing. Just breathing is very unhealthy business over there.
And breathing is an essential activity - trust my word on that
People die in car accidents by the thousands every year. Did cars get banned?
Nope.
But safety features got added to reduce - not eliminate - the risks of driving one. Seat belts, ABS, airbags, etc. etc.
So vaping ... is like smoking buckled up.
Does protect you in most - but not all cases. Sorry it didn't keep you from harm personally.
Yet nobody walks around and wants seat belts removed from all cars because they work 'only' 99% of the time...
I do believe I've done that job... and seen hundreds do that job.
I've seen 2 people total (including myself 20+ yrs ago) who could make that job a cardio workout.
Stamina and strength? Yes.
Cardio? Highly doubtful.
FYI; this is my truck...
Tapatyped
Remove the unrealistic statistic and I'll take that bet all day long.
Seat belts only help contain the body in majority of deadly accidents.
Better confined to the vehicle to avoid witness stresses than strewn across the highway.
Tapatyped
Even if not done much any more open lung biopsy doesn't seem to bad.
How the Test is Performed
An open lung biopsy is done in the hospital using general anesthesia, which means you are asleep and pain-free. A tube will be placed through your mouth down your throat to help you breathe.
The surgery is done in the following way:
- After cleaning the skin, the surgeon makes a small cut in the left or right side of your chest.
- The ribs are gently separated.
- Tissue is taken from the lung and sent to a laboratory for examination.
- After surgery, the wound is closed with stitches.
- Your surgeon may leave a small plastic tube in your chest to prevent air and fluid from building up.
I am wondering why we have been smelling them all our lives. Then there's Aroma Theropy.
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Mike
My local news agencies have picked up on this story and have been playing it non-stop.
They even coupled it with an interview of a guy who had his mod blow up in his face and caused him to have stitches on his forehead.
When they showed his device, it was a self contained ( picture a giant ego such as the Aspire) with a Derringer. Even after the device vented you could see his coil still there. Obvious that he was sub-ohm'ing, but no one bothered to ask if he was using appropriate resistance's, etc. for his device's limitations. It's this kind of "blanket" reporting for shock value that is having a detrimental affect on vaping.
Uneducated vapers and shops looking to cash in and being irresponsible certainly aren't helping either.
Edit: I am by no means blaming sub-ohm vaping. I'm blaming those that do it irresponsibly. Don't blame an industry because you didn't do your due diligence and were reckless.
They even coupled it with an interview of a guy who had his mod blow up in his face and caused him to have stitches on his forehead.
When they showed his device, it was a self contained ( picture a giant ego such as the Aspire) with a Derringer. Even after the device vented you could see his coil still there. Obvious that he was sub-ohm'ing, but no one bothered to ask if he was using appropriate resistance's, etc. for his device's limitations. It's this kind of "blanket" reporting for shock value that is having a detrimental affect on vaping.
Uneducated vapers and shops looking to cash in and being irresponsible certainly aren't helping either.
Edit: I am by no means blaming sub-ohm vaping. I'm blaming those that do it irresponsibly. Don't blame an industry because you didn't do your due diligence and were reckless.
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